Fact or Fiction: NCAA Football 12 Outlook

[splff3000]

Re: Fact or Fiction: NCAA Football 12 Outlook

Ever play NCAA Basketball 10? It had two commentary teams and was not worth it in my opinion. It was cool seeing different broadcast themes, but the commentary was terrible. After playing one or two games per network, you pretty much heard every single commentary line in the game.

Commentary takes up a lot of space on the disc. We already are all tired of the repetition we hear now. Adding more teams to commentary would only lead to each commentary team having less lines than the one we have now does. Do you really want to have multiple broadcast teams, but each one only has 1/4 the lines the current team has?

I wouldn't like that. Yes, it would be great to have a game on ESPN, then your next game a local made up network, and ABC for your bowl games. But it would get old quickly once you heard every single line 5 times throughout your first 3 games of the season.

I am more in favor of new tech like Madden is getting than more teams. More teams is not the answer, new ways implementing and controlling commentary are. Maybe if next generation all consoles have Blu-ray, then I'll be right there with you asking for multiple broadcast networks and commentary teams. But for now, I have to disagree with you.

I was not considering disc space and was more or less just replying to the previous poster about the cost of additional broadcast teams and things to avoid those costs.

[khaliib]

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There's not some sinister underlying motive here. If you don't agree with where the franchise is at this point, it's fine, but just keep it to that then -- don't try to make it out like someone is saying you can't have a particular opinion. Neither writer came at Jayson like he's stupid for having that opinion.

As I stated things here at OS has changed from how it was several years ago.

Not that there was a sinister motive by these writers in particular, but there seems to be a sinister attitude towards those that have a view that might not be as positive about the game.
(Just read some of the replies)

When the writer starts off by saying "It's people like this..." because the veiw was different, kind of seems like the whole purpose of the write-up was to say those that don't see the game on the same manner, simply are lacking something to have such a view.
(I wouldn't or did not say Stupid)

I wouldn't say that a Gamers can't have an opinion, but I've watched how none-positive notations about EA games have been met with sinister replies that seem to be given more leeway in expression.

In a nutshell, I replied because I wondered if those that agreed with Jayson's write-up (not as positve), if such a person would be given the same leeway to do a Fact or Fiction write-up to counter such gloating perspectives that the writers present?

Would it be Deleted?
Would they be warned or Banned?

I could care less one way or another and take no side, it's a video game.
I've got likes and dislikes, but still will buy and find a way to enjoy it.

This is the Best Gaming Forum in my opinion and I just don't want it to lose it's balance.

[splff3000]

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Really? Hell, the CPU completes more passes to the sidelines than his receivers in my expeiences. That's kind of interesting if you ask me. Makes me wonder what triggers it.

I agree. I've seem them throw it away and there wasn't even that much pressure. I think some are just really bad passes lol.

[jeremym480]

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Good article. Will read again.

Question for you?

How can you evaluate NCAA 11 vs 12 with all the patches and tuner sets vs not having the game yet?

I don't think it's a fair evaluation at this point? I think a more fairer evaluation will be when all the tuning and patches are released for 12 vs 11.

That's my take, that's why I can't justify with a demo build(someone said it was a build before the E3 build)vs the full game build. To me, it's similar comparing apples to oranges.

I think the only way you can compare the two at this point is to go back and play the 11 demo. If people can't see the differences between those two they're really not trying to see.

Really? Hell, the CPU completes more passes to the sidelines than his receivers in my expeiences. That's kind of interesting if you ask me. Makes me wonder what triggers it.

In my 5 or 6 games, I've seen a lot of the QB throwing the ball away on AA. Possibly too much.

[roadman]

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Well I wouldn't say it's comparing apples to oranges. It's more like comparing red apples to green apples lol, but you're right. That's why I said things may change once the retail version is released. Anyway, they're comparing a demo to retail in the article so that's why I was doing it.

So question for you:

Why is it ok for them to compare the demo to 11, but not for me?

EDIT: I never responded about the article itself. I thought the article SEEMED a bit bias, but I liked it. It would have been nice to have another person up there that wasn't as excited about 12, but the article was ok as it was. I understand how some people can be excited for 12 depending on what their expectations for 12 were.

That's a fair question and to answer that one, no offense, but I'll take someone who has experience with the E3 build vs someone who doesn't, which includes myself in that equation.

I just took it as Jayson stirred the hornet's up a bit and two others responded to it. Point-Counterpoint.

[He1nousOne1]

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Well I for one appreciate all the tough critics. Keep that fire lit underneath their heels. With pretty much a monopoly, without such voices there would be no market mechanism pushing them to not be lazy at making the college game.

With that said though I am not one of those folks and for me this game is delivering what I wanted to see added on to NCAA 11. I love that game, got so many hours of enjoyment out of it that I do not see how an NCAA 11.5 is a bad thing anyways. If the .5 is all the things we have seen added on and fixed in the game then that is one hell of a .5. I'm all in for that. Its good to see some positive voices being raised so that the developers know they are on the right track. It can be easy to get caught up in negativity over things that still need work.

The year they make the perfect college football game is the year that makes the next year of the game unsellable. Come on guys...this is EA.

[Skyboxer]

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I think we're a long ways off(if ever) before we get AI that plays video game football like a human.
I just think if people are waiting for that level of intelligence (high or low ) you'll be waiting a long time.

[statum71]

Christian and Dustin......

BOTH of you guys told it just like it is!!!!!! I agree with every single word in this article.

And yes.....those in the impressions thread agreeing with Jayson are more than likely the type of gamers who will NEVER be pleased. Period!

[statum71]

I felt the difference on the very first tackle of the opening kickoff.

[statum71]

As I stated things here at OS has changed from how it was several years ago.

Not that there was a sinister motive by these writers in particular, but there seems to be a sinister attitude towards those that have a view that might not be as positive about the game.
(Just read some of the replies)

When the writer starts off by saying "It's people like this..." because the veiw was different, kind of seems like the whole purpose of the write-up was to say those that don't see the game on the same manner, simply are lacking something to have such a view.
(I wouldn't or did not say Stupid)

I wouldn't say that a Gamers can't have an opinion, but I've watched how none-positive notations about EA games have been met with sinister replies that seem to be given more leeway in expression.

In a nutshell, I replied because I wondered if those that agreed with Jayson's write-up (not as positve), if such a person would be given the same leeway to do a Fact or Fiction write-up to counter such gloating perspectives that the writers present?

Would it be Deleted?
Would they be warned or Banned?

I could care less one way or another and take no side, it's a video game.
I've got likes and dislikes, but still will buy and find a way to enjoy it.

This is the Best Gaming Forum in my opinion and I just don't want it to lose it's balance.

I don't want OS to loose its balance either. I think we contribute a lot to the development of sports games in a positive way.

But I'm with Dustin and Christian on this. Yes, it has some flaws (every game does). But to even fix your mouth to say its the same game is just ridiculous.

Like I said....I noticed from the opening kickoff.

[Steel City 3]

deffinetly the best post i've ever read... i especially agree wit Christian's respose to Jayson... **** read

[blkrptnt819]

Somebody called me a EA fanboy. I had to laugh. I already have my laundry list of complaints ready for the wishlist forum. But the improvements in gameplay are noticable. I just don't want them to rest on their laurels so I let them know things I feel are missing. But to call this game an example of EA putting the same product out to get our money is a bit of a downplay of the effort put into this game.

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[khaliib]

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But to even fix your mouth to say its the same game is just ridiculous.

I wouldn't go that far.

There are so many perspectives of what looks/plays right and what's changed, there really isn't a right or wrong dealing with the game.
We're talking Millions of different perspectives.

We wouldn't be having many of these discussions if the game was more customizable.

Options, options, options.

I feel that's why so many agreed with Jayson's write-up, because there are no options or have very limited options that allow them to fix what they feel is wrong about their game.

Example:
No Recruit Editor eventhough every year, gamers run to the Forums looking for Slider/Re-Rated Rosters to help improve an aspect of Gameplay they don't like.

Again, so many perspectives, but limited options for Gamers to adjust to their own perspective, is what's driving much of the around here.

Life will go on though!!!

[Watson]

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wait, positive impressions?

Steve, it's time to fire these clowns. That's not what we do here at OS. Your boys are stepping out of line.

[sparkdawg777]

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Christian and Dustin......

BOTH of you guys told it just like it is!!!!!! I agree with every single word in this article.

And yes.....those in the impressions thread agreeing with Jayson are more than likely the type of gamers who will NEVER be pleased. Period!

Ok, I agree there are some people who do complain and expect more. But THIS is not a problem to me. Now it can get annoying from some people who complain about things that they have no clue about but for the others that do and just want the best football game possible, I see no problem with the critisism as long as they are acknowledging the good as well. The problem we have is NCAA and Madden are monopolies, they have no competition and the only thing they have to push them are our opinions/money, now I am not talking about the devs here, I think they are really starting to listen to the hardcore fans now, who are the minority. You can not "settle" that this is the best they could have done or they will only give you the same effort each time. They need to get better every year, I think some people are just soft or don't understand the importance of different opinions. But to categorize "It's people like this..." kind of pisses me off, although I'm sure there was no intention of offending anyone but its more that I'm pissed off of the idea that we've become a fanbase that has to be positive even when there are still plenty of negatives.

Its just like if you are a coach and your receiver makes a great catch but didn't run the route properly. You praise the receiver for the catch but you also have to get on him about running the route correctly or he'll do it wrong again.

That's my perspective.

Now I will still enjoy NCAA 12 and express how much I am enjoying it once I get the game, but at the same time I will point out the negatives as well.