Awareness for CPU QB's and how it effects their decision making

**jfsolo** · 07-01-2011, 08:10 PM

Re: Awareness for CPU QB's and how it effects their decision making

I think you should edit some QB's down to have really low awareness and show some contrasting clips of them playing like garbage as a result.

**Gotmadskillzson** · 07-01-2011, 08:30 PM

Re: Awareness for CPU QB's and how it effects their decision making

So........you trying to say the carry rating determines the likelihood of a person sliding ?

In your opinion how low of THA is too low ?

**Playmakers** · 07-01-2011, 08:45 PM

Re: Awareness for CPU QB's and how it effects their decision making

Originally posted by Gotmadskillzson

So........you trying to say the carry rating determines the likelihood of a person sliding ?

In your opinion how low of THA is too low ?

Not everyone just Young.....for some reason he slides a lot

I have Dan Marino with like 60 carry rating and he tends to slide a lot aswell when he runs. He's not very fast or anything and his awareness is 90 something yet he does that slide animation very much like Young even though their physical attributes has Young much faster and elusive....the only difference really is the Carry rating being equal to each other.

I have a McNabb, Frazier and Holieway with 80+ carry amd the never seem to slide so i think it's possible the lower carry rating stosp them from taking a chance of a fumble or something.

It'll be interesting to see how tweaks works in NCAA 12 because if the game is already good out of the box can you imagine what type of realism you could create in player tendencies for that game by tweaking it a little more

**Gotmadskillzson** · 07-01-2011, 08:50 PM

Re: Awareness for CPU QB's and how it effects their decision making

Ok......so what are your opinions on Hit power and tackle ratings ?

Does having one higher or lower trigger certain animations or AI logic ?

**Playmakers** · 07-01-2011, 08:53 PM

Re: Awareness for CPU QB's and how it effects their decision making

Originally posted by jfsolo

I think you should edit some QB's down to have really low awareness and show some contrasting clips of them playing like garbage as a result.

no problem i'll reorder the depth charts and move some of younger QB's into the starting lineup and show how they react on the field

What i've seen is guy's running outside the pocket to pass then if they decide to run for some reason they run back into the middle bump into offensive linemen and kill the scramble all together because the defense catches them since they took the wrong running lane.

Or they simply hold the ball and stand there looking confused as to when to throw it.....

**Playmakers** · 07-01-2011, 09:04 PM

Re: Awareness for CPU QB's and how it effects their decision making

Originally posted by Gotmadskillzson

Ok......so what are your opinions on Hit power and tackle ratings ?

Does having one higher or lower trigger certain animations or AI logic ?

Hit Power higher seems to make them more aggressive in head on collisions...they tend to leave their feet more

Tackle rating higher seems to make them wrap up more and be less aggresive but it also triggers that strip animation from behind a lot where the defenders try to jar the ball lose by punching at it

The tackle rating higher also tends to make them take out a players legs more in the open field for less aggresssive DB's

If it's balanced between both then you get plays like that vision tackle animation i showed you last week by Roy Wiilliams where he leaped at the ball carrier from behind and sorta horse collared him that was one of the best animations I've seen in the game

**Gotmadskillzson** · 07-01-2011, 09:16 PM

Re: Awareness for CPU QB's and how it effects their decision making

So.......if I want more take out the legs tackles and less diving into your gut tackles......

I would simply raise their tackle rating and lower their hit power ?

Another question.......

Your opinion on return rating ? To me it doesn't do what it states it does.

**Emac** · 07-01-2011, 09:28 PM

Re: Awareness for CPU QB's and how it effects their decision making

This comes from my experience with '09 which I went back to recently, but it seems that if you raise the QB accuracy slider all the way to 100, it effects not just the QB's awareness, but also seems to impact ball carrier vision. You will also see QBs scramble. This sounds crazy but seriously I got so sick of watching the AI throw so many interceptions that I jacked up the CPU's QB accuracy slider all the way to 100 and noticed that it seemed to enhance every offensive player's awareness. Suddenly, ball carriers were running more like humans, and the option even worked on occasion on '09 where the QB is running in cement. So I have a suspicion that the QB accuracy slider is tied to the awareness rating for the offense, and possibly the ball carrier vision rating as well. It also works on '11. When you lower the accuracy slider, the RBs act like idiots and don't even seem to know how to run in open field. But as soon as you raise the accuracy slider back up, it is a whole new game.

**Playmakers** · 07-01-2011, 09:38 PM

Re: Awareness for CPU QB's and how it effects their decision making

Originally posted by Gotmadskillzson

So.......if I want more take out the legs tackles and less diving into your gut tackles......

I would simply raise their tackle rating and lower their hit power ?

Another question.......

Your opinion on return rating ? To me it doesn't do what it states it does.

ON 11 yes that was the case again 12 may be different because the new tackle animations remember

For kick return that rating only works for SIM MODE....has no effect at all for actual games as you notice the rating doesn't increase or decrease anyone's overall ability

In fact i think the important rating overall for the CPU's return game is their special teams blocking ability....CPU return man has to have good vision aswell but his blockers on special teams are usually pathetic out of the box

**khaliib** · 07-01-2011, 09:39 PM

Re: Awareness for CPU QB's and how it effects their decision making

Originally posted by Gotmadskillzson

Ok......so what are your opinions on Hit power and tackle ratings ?

Does having one higher or lower trigger certain animations or AI logic ?

I spent most of my time focusing on this rating more than any other.

I noted my findings that how Hit Power is more of an "Agressiveness" towards "The Ball" more so than the ball carrier and causing fumbles.

I wish I had made videos to show.

I found that Aggressive animations to the ball really added another level to CPU controlled Def Players.

They tend to flow hard to the ball helping on PA Roll-Outs and WR Reverses.

I wish I had a copy to see if Hit Power would make Off WR more aggressive towards getting the ball in the air instead of doing that Basket Catch animation.

**Playmakers** · 07-01-2011, 09:43 PM

Re: Awareness for CPU QB's and how it effects their decision making

Originally posted by Emac

This comes from my experience with '09 which I went back to recently, but it seems that if you raise the QB accuracy slider all the way to 100, it effects not just the QB's awareness, but also seems to impact ball carrier vision. You will also see QBs scramble. This sounds crazy but seriously I got so sick of watching the AI throw so many interceptions that I jacked up the CPU's QB accuracy slider all the way to 100 and noticed that it seemed to enhance every offensive player's awareness. Suddenly, ball carriers were running more like humans, and the option even worked on occasion on '09 where the QB is running in cement. So I have a suspicion that the QB accuracy slider is tied to the awareness rating for the offense, and possibly the ball carrier vision rating as well. It also works on '11. When you lower the accuracy slider, the RBs act like idiots and don't even seem to know how to run in open field. But as soon as you raise the accuracy slider back up, it is a whole new game.

I actually just created a thread the other day regarding CPU Running Logic in the open field

It has more to do with poor pursuit ratings of the RB's and their ball carrier vision ratings combined together....

I use the CPU QBA at 25 on Varsity level and the RB's find open lanes as if they are Heisman level RB's

I took down all the videos but anyone who read the thread can attest the RB's had great vision logic that I edited....if your on XBOX 360 you can test it out download my file witht the sliders and you'll see the RB's are very smart in the game

**Gotmadskillzson** · 07-01-2011, 09:44 PM

Re: Awareness for CPU QB's and how it effects their decision making

Good stuff gentlemen. The tackle thing was the one thing that always did bother me. I seen way too many hit you in the gut tackles, but very few take out the legs tackles and not enough actual wrap tackles.

**Playmakers** · 07-01-2011, 09:48 PM

Re: Awareness for CPU QB's and how it effects their decision making

Originally posted by Gotmadskillzson

Good stuff gentlemen. The tackle thing was the one thing that always did bother me. I seen way too many hit you in the gut tackles, but very few take out the legs tackles and not enough actual wrap tackles.

I'll get together some videos of those tackles and post them Sunday.....they are really down well by EA but as you say at default there's not enough of them in the game.

**khaliib** · 07-01-2011, 09:54 PM

Re: Awareness for CPU QB's and how it effects their decision making

Is it a strange thing that I actually get more enjoyment out of testing these theories and seeing those theories in motion than actual play time.

I guess I'm weird like that.

Strange that I'm getting more excited as we talk about this stuff more than the actual game.

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