Fact or Fiction: NCAA Football 12 Outlook

[bigsmallwood]

I disagree with the writers....its not that "It's people like this that frustrate me the most"......are not knowledgeable of gameplay...they are just calling it like it is. NCAA is SEVERELY underachieving. I do not want to hear next year...or next gen. And most certainly do not compare anything in the EA series to NBA 2K11 or NFL 2K5...they are not in the same realm. NCAA 11 was the best college football game this gen because it has no competition...AP2K8 wipes the floor with it. NCAA 12 DOES feel like 11.5 because the commentary is a decade old, most of the intros this year were in last years game...RTG has virtually NO improvements and the Franchise Mode is the same. So no it is not that we are "never happy"...we just happen to know what real football plays like. When you play NBA 2K11...you can't just play it like a "game" on simulation mode...you must play NBA Basketball...in NCAA Football, there is little strategy involved. Teams don't utilize their strengths and take advantage of superior match-ups.

Yes I am glad EA got rid of suction blocking...so far as I can tell in the DEMO, but there are a TON of other gameplay elements missing and I'm tired of reading articles such as this one, dismissing the fact that EA has done next to nothing over the course of this gen. This article is most certainly written in a biased tone and is out to push an agenda.....mmmmm....the thought of that @OS.....smh. #EverybodyhasanOpinion

[BestServedCold]

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I disagree with the writers....its not that "It's people like this that frustrate me the most"......are not knowledgeable of gameplay...they are just calling it like it is. NCAA is SEVERELY underachieving. I do not want to hear next year...or next gen. And most certainly do not compare anything in the EA series to NBA 2K11 or NFL 2K5...they are not in the same realm. NCAA 11 was the best college football game this gen because it has no competition...AP2K8 wipes the floor with it. NCAA 12 DOES feel like 11.5 because the commentary is a decade old, most of the intros this year were in last years game...RTG has virtually NO improvements and the Franchise Mode is the same. So no it is not that we are "never happy"...we just happen to know what real football plays like. When you play NBA 2K11...you can't just play it like a "game" on simulation mode...you must play NBA Basketball...in NCAA Football, there is little strategy involved. Teams don't utilize their strengths and take advantage of superior match-ups.

Yes I am glad EA got rid of suction blocking...so far as I can tell in the DEMO, but there are a TON of other gameplay elements missing and I'm tired of reading articles such as this one, dismissing the fact that EA has done next to nothing over the course of this gen. This article is most certainly written in a biased tone and is out to push an agenda.....mmmmm....the thought of that @OS.....smh. #EverybodyhasanOpinion

I too love APF 2k8, but no improvements in RTG and Franchise mode? I can understand saying that the gameplay/commentary seems nearly the same as last year, but a thought that coaching carousel was a fairly big improvement. Granted it seems pretty barebones (no coach ratings, can't pick your OC/DC, no position coaches), but people have been asking for it for years. In RTG the high school games and the coaches trust seem like pretty good improvements. I even can see complaining about Coaching carousel, but what more do you want out of RTG? I'm serious I'm very curious to hear what you think they could improve on.

Quickly, to clarify, you said no improvements. My rebuttal is that those additions (mostly the RTG stuff) seem like good improvements. I agreed with Jayson Young btw. I feel like the developments have been sluggish for a number of years, but I feel like they are finally turning the corner. I wish they would have added coach ratings though lol.

[statum71]

I'm not trying to focus too much on the example I gave because obviously NCAA gets better each year. I'm just saying it is ok to praise something and point out the negatives at the same time. That's the main point of the example.

If you want to stick to the example, EA is the only receiver we have so if he's still doing something wrong we have to point it out, i.e. CPU TO A.I., no huddle too fast, etc. Fact is if it were not for the people who criticised the zone coverage being awful who knows if it would have been fixed. The CPU spread running game is still bad, there are still flaws along with the good.

You're right. I can agree with that.

But IMO that's not the same thing as the "this is the same game as last year" crowd. Especially when its not. There are some that are waiting to say that REGARDLESS.

Heck....I even point out things that can be added or improved in The Show. And its the best sports game out in my personal opinion (along with NBA 2K11).

[canes21]

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I disagree with the writers....its not that "It's people like this that frustrate me the most"......are not knowledgeable of gameplay...they are just calling it like it is. NCAA is SEVERELY underachieving. I do not want to hear next year...or next gen. And most certainly do not compare anything in the EA series to NBA 2K11 or NFL 2K5...they are not in the same realm. NCAA 11 was the best college football game this gen because it has no competition...AP2K8 wipes the floor with it. NCAA 12 DOES feel like 11.5 because the commentary is a decade old, most of the intros this year were in last years game...RTG has virtually NO improvements and the Franchise Mode is the same. So no it is not that we are "never happy"...we just happen to know what real football plays like. When you play NBA 2K11...you can't just play it like a "game" on simulation mode...you must play NBA Basketball...in NCAA Football, there is little strategy involved. Teams don't utilize their strengths and take advantage of superior match-ups.

Yes I am glad EA got rid of suction blocking...so far as I can tell in the DEMO, but there are a TON of other gameplay elements missing and I'm tired of reading articles such as this one, dismissing the fact that EA has done next to nothing over the course of this gen. This article is most certainly written in a biased tone and is out to push an agenda.....mmmmm....the thought of that @OS.....smh. #EverybodyhasanOpinion

Yes, you are not knowledgeable of the game. Is NCAA at the point where it should be? Probably not, but there have definitely been improvements since this gen started. NCAA 11 was the biggest jump in terms of gameplay this gen and so far NCAA 12 is the biggest jump in Dynasty and RTG this gen.

NCAA 12 is not that big of a jump gameplay wise from NCAA 11, but they're there and if you are saying you don't see them, well, that is because you are trying not to. NCAA 12 polished the gameplay from 11 and then added on to the career modes.

We've received a Coach Carousel, entire HS seasons, iron man football, coach's trust, new ways of using TeamBuilder in game, etc. in the RTG and Dynasty modes, yet you say they're untouched. That pretty much can be translated into you blindly putting the game down.

I get it, you don't like the NCAA series and probably not EA either. You love your 2k games, but don't sit here and continually say stuff that is completely false. It makes you look silly and you lose all credibility quick.

[roadman]

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I agree with Canes and BSC.

The retail version isn't even out in the streets and a few people are already calling out 11.5.

Try to put in the demo of 11 in and put in the demo of 12, and then come back and tell us it's 11.5.

Also, need to be careful on how one uses the agenda word, it could bite back at you.

[jwilphl]

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I'm happy that NCAA is finally moving their wheels and getting the franchise going. I hope that does continue. I also do enjoy the pre-game entrances and so forth--they obviously put work into them and they look good from what I've seen.

My only issues are 1) it feels like the game has been very slow to innovate and really achieve, and it still definitely is not at the level of other sports games (this could be due to resource limitations); and 2) much of what does get added to the game feels like icing on the proverbial cake. These entrances are the perfect example. They are great, but let's face it, they are fluff. The majority of our time is spent playing the game, not watching 30 second intros. For me personally, I don't enjoy eating a jar of icing, but some people do. I would rather they work on the cake, the actual substance of the game, before choosing to put the icing on.

That said, I would personally prefer to see heartier improvements to the game engine and the peripheral modes, as well as in-game presentation, before such extraneous things are really given a large part of the team's attention. But, there are casual fans to market to, and I think NCAA focuses a lot of its time in that direction. I don't hate them for it, it is a business like anything else. It is just my own personal feelings don't necessarily agree with everything that has been done.

Regardless of that, let's just hope that the NCAA continues to do good work and keeps improving the game we are all so passionate about. Cheers!

[bigsmallwood]

Yes, you are not knowledgeable of the game. Is NCAA at the point where it should be? Probably not, but there have definitely been improvements since this gen started. NCAA 11 was the biggest jump in terms of gameplay this gen and so far NCAA 12 is the biggest jump in Dynasty and RTG this gen.

NCAA 12 is not that big of a jump gameplay wise from NCAA 11, but they're there and if you are saying you don't see them, well, that is because you are trying not to. NCAA 12 polished the gameplay from 11 and then added on to the career modes.

We've received a Coach Carousel, entire HS seasons, iron man football, coach's trust, new ways of using TeamBuilder in game, etc. in the RTG and Dynasty modes, yet you say they're untouched. That pretty much can be translated into you blindly putting the game down.

I get it, you don't like the NCAA series and probably not EA either. You love your 2k games, but don't sit here and continually say stuff that is completely false. It makes you look silly and you lose all credibility quick.

Look silly? Not likely. I am not anti-EA...I'm just calling a spade a spade. Coaching carousel is very minimal after 6+yrs on next gen....I'm well aware of what they added...I am also well aware that NCAA 11 was a pretty good game, just not anywhere near where it should be at this point in Next Gen. I acknowledged the tackling system has been changed with the lack of suction and that is a great thing! But let us not act like NCAA 12 is about to be a mind blowing game. I am on these forums year after year when EA releases it's annual football games, and the same people who rush to defend it are complaining about it within weeks of its release. RTG will yet again appear to be untouched and lack the polish necessary for a game at this point in our systems life span. Say what you like, you may not like what I have to say, but I can back it up line for line. I've been playing EA SPorts for over 20years....I know what they are capable of and this is not it. Players have NO weight to them especially in switching directions when running. the Foot-planting is horrid....and the commentary/presentation is far behind. look at the last gen PS2/xbox games...EA's Football games were top notch in the gameplay department....

[canes21]

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So just because we are 6 years into this gen the Coach Carousel is nothing big anymore? Had it been put in last year would it have been a big addition? That reason makes no sense, almost like you're stretching for something that just isn't there...

No one is saying NCAA 12 is going to be mind blowing. Why was NCAA 11 such a good game? Was it because everything was perfected finally or just because it was such a big step up from what we had received in 07 through 10? The latter. Most people here will agree NCAA 11 was one of, if not, the best in the series even including last gen. NCAA 12 did not need to make so many changes over 11 like we needed from 10 to 11. NCAA 11 finally gave us good gameplay and now 12 is building off that by making zones better, making the AI smarter and more realistic, drastically reducing suction, and adding on to the career modes.

And how can you keep saying RTG is untouched? If anything, it was what received the most additions. You can now play your HS season in RTG, both sides of the ball, you earn your coach's trust, you now get better in a more RPG like way, etc. To say it is untouched leads me to believe I was correct and you are blindly bashing the game.

Please back up what you're saying. You said you can, I want to see how you can sit here and tell me RTG and Dynasty will be "virtually the same."

[bigsmallwood]

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So just because we are 6 years into this gen the Coach Carousel is nothing big anymore? Had it been put in last year would it have been a big addition? That reason makes no sense, almost like you're stretching for something that just isn't there...

No one is saying NCAA 12 is going to be mind blowing. Why was NCAA 11 such a good game? Was it because everything was perfected finally or just because it was such a big step up from what we had received in 07 through 10? The latter. Most people here will agree NCAA 11 was one of, if not, the best in the series even including last gen. NCAA 12 did not need to make so many changes over 11 like we needed from 10 to 11. NCAA 11 finally gave us good gameplay and now 12 is building off that by making zones better, making the AI smarter and more realistic, drastically reducing suction, and adding on to the career modes.

And how can you keep saying RTG is untouched? If anything, it was what received the most additions. You can now play your HS season in RTG, both sides of the ball, you earn your coach's trust, you now get better in a more RPG like way, etc. To say it is untouched leads me to believe I was correct and you are blindly bashing the game.

Please back up what you're saying. You said you can, I want to see how you can sit here and tell me RTG and Dynasty will be "virtually the same."

Canes21 Bruh, I respect your opinion, but I am going to wait until the full game is released and I will get back to you. That way I am not going to be said to be just judging the demo....fair enough? If I am wrong, then I will be wrong and I will HAPPILY be wrong. I am a fan of NCAA and Madden Football, however I just want to see real progress...Coaching Carousel is a great addition, however yes I do feel there needs to be a TON more at this point...not meaning to demean the "newer" additions. So all I am going to say is we will see. 7/12/11

[SteelerSpartan]

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Umm Im sorry I completely disagree with the premise that NCAA and Madden aren't 2nd Tier Sports Games

-Nba 2k11/The Show
-Nhl/Fifa
-Forza/GT

I easily rank all those games a Class above EAs football titles.....

The true innovations are few and far between....especially when it comes to gameplay....

And Honestly even though Im guilty of overrating it too.....NCAA 11 really isn't all that great....its just the 1st NG title that approached the "old school" era video gamey fun.....which is sad because in 2011 we should be getting something much deeper and polished

And the whole 2k thing draws such a big debate/point of contention around here because

1. Of Course the Exclusive License stuff.....Its no coincidence that those games I listed has or had tough competition to drive them each year

2. The 2k Football games strengths are EAs biggest weaknesses
Player Movement(Foot Planting with realistic slow down and start up)
Line Play(Pass Rush)
Presentation(In Game Specifically..Stats with Appropriate Commentary)


And the AI....Debatable but leads me to my next point...

2ks games are stocked full with Custom User Settings/Sliders....To ensure that you can find the right settings for you....And Hell you even got guys who have come up with their own tools online to customize/edit even further

I can fully understand how people who loved those things in 2k Football would be tired of seeing EA so poorly represent them in their games.........

I mean EA does those things so bad its like EA is intentionally trying to send a message to hardcore 2k fans to not even bother and say that....."Your Game is never Coming back"


Im such a huge football fan that Ive learned to live with it and have found a way to enjoy EAs recent football games....but I wish I could enjoy more of the actual games themselves

We'll see with Madden this year....looks like they're trying to take a big swing at truly being great....But until further notice NCAA/Madden are still standing on the sidelines waiting to go in, when it comes to how they stack up to the elite of the Sports Game Genre

[kingsofthevalley]

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Umm Im sorry I completely disagree with the premise that NCAA and Madden aren't 2nd Tier Sports Games

-Nba 2k11/The Show
-Nhl/Fifa
-Forza/GT

I easily rank all those games a Class above EAs football titles.....

The true innovations are few and far between....especially when it comes to gameplay....

And Honestly even though Im guilty of overrating it too.....NCAA 11 really isn't all that great....its just the 1st NG title that approached the "old school" era video gamey fun.....which is sad because in 2011 we should be getting something much deeper and polished

And the whole 2k thing draws such a big debate/point of contention around here because

1. Of Course the Exclusive License stuff.....Its no coincidence that those games I listed has or had tough competition to drive them each year

2. The 2k Football games strengths are EAs biggest weaknesses
Player Movement(Foot Planting with realistic slow down and start up)
Line Play(Pass Rush)
Presentation(In Game Specifically..Stats with Appropriate Commentary)


And the AI....Debatable but leads me to my next point...

2ks games are stocked full with Custom User Settings/Sliders....To ensure that you can find the right settings for you....And Hell you even got guys who have come up with their own tools online to customize/edit even further

I can fully understand how people who loved those things in 2k Football would be tired of seeing EA so poorly represent them in their games.........

I mean EA does those things so bad its like EA is intentionally trying to send a message to hardcore 2k fans to not even bother and say that....."Your Game is never Coming back"


Im such a huge football fan that Ive learned to live with it and have found a way to enjoy EAs recent football games....but I wish I could enjoy more of the actual games themselves

We'll see with Madden this year....looks like they're trying to take a big swing at truly being great....But until further notice NCAA/Madden are still standing on the sidelines waiting to go in, when it comes to how they stack up to the elite of the Sports Game Genre

Excellent post. Pretty much every phrase was correct. Presentation, player movement, custom settings, etc are all very poorly done in EA sports football titles. Thing is, out of all the good additions, those three things are the major ticket items IMO that I'm still waiting on and we're going on 8 years now.

A.I. was another one but it seems they might have tweaked that a bit so I took that one off of my list. Yea I had 4 gripes now its down to 3. 3 VERY important things.

[kingsofthevalley]

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Canes21 Bruh, I respect your opinion, but I am going to wait until the full game is released and I will get back to you. That way I am not going to be said to be just judging the demo....fair enough? If I am wrong, then I will be wrong and I will HAPPILY be wrong. I am a fan of NCAA and Madden Football, however I just want to see real progress...Coaching Carousel is a great addition, however yes I do feel there needs to be a TON more at this point...not meaning to demean the "newer" additions. So all I am going to say is we will see. 7/12/11

There's nothing left to see man. The main thing you and I are speaking about, people are ignoring right now. Player feel/movement. The players still float around with no illusion of mass/weight. That is not a passing thing that you can ignore, you're going to see this EVERY second that you're playing the game. Its been 8 years.

I read somewhere that the devs are keeping the movement twitchy like that to appease the tournament crowd. Dont know if its true or not, but I do know its still not fixed.

I recall it was either 2k3 or 2k4 football that moved like that also. Folks couldn't STAND that ****. Then they fixed it for 2k5. Madden last gen never had this problem, thats why I'm baffled as to why it is like this now.

[Rules]

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This read as a sales pitch for NCAA Football 12. I will get the game but if it plays anything like NCAA Football 11 then I (the vocal minority) will have something to say.

[Rules]

Re: Fact or Fiction: NCAA Football 12 Outlook

Umm Im sorry I completely disagree with the premise that NCAA and Madden aren't 2nd Tier Sports Games

-Nba 2k11/The Show
-Nhl/Fifa
-Forza/GT

I easily rank all those games a Class above EAs football titles.....

The true innovations are few and far between....especially when it comes to gameplay....

And Honestly even though Im guilty of overrating it too.....NCAA 11 really isn't all that great....its just the 1st NG title that approached the "old school" era video gamey fun.....which is sad because in 2011 we should be getting something much deeper and polished

And the whole 2k thing draws such a big debate/point of contention around here because

1. Of Course the Exclusive License stuff.....Its no coincidence that those games I listed has or had tough competition to drive them each year

2. The 2k Football games strengths are EAs biggest weaknesses
Player Movement(Foot Planting with realistic slow down and start up)
Line Play(Pass Rush)
Presentation(In Game Specifically..Stats with Appropriate Commentary)


And the AI....Debatable but leads me to my next point...

2ks games are stocked full with Custom User Settings/Sliders....To ensure that you can find the right settings for you....And Hell you even got guys who have come up with their own tools online to customize/edit even further

I can fully understand how people who loved those things in 2k Football would be tired of seeing EA so poorly represent them in their games.........

I mean EA does those things so bad its like EA is intentionally trying to send a message to hardcore 2k fans to not even bother and say that....."Your Game is never Coming back"


Im such a huge football fan that Ive learned to live with it and have found a way to enjoy EAs recent football games....but I wish I could enjoy more of the actual games themselves

We'll see with Madden this year....looks like they're trying to take a big swing at truly being great....But until further notice NCAA/Madden are still standing on the sidelines waiting to go in, when it comes to how they stack up to the elite of the Sports Game Genre

I will go one step further and ask why in the article are we even saying it is better than All Pro football when they are two different games? It is definitely not a unbiased article and I am very cautious of this because we have been steered wrong before. Not saying intentionally but more like how many of us are when we get something new. It is cool and exciting and after a few we begin to realize how much the game is lacking.

One can look at the glass half empty or half full. I am the minority who wants them to fix the glaring AI problems before adding bells and whistles. Is that really too much to ask? For the record..........I am going to download the demo to see for myself but these articles lack both sides to the story and that is concerning.

[roadman]

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There's nothing left to see man. The main thing you and I are speaking about, people are ignoring right now. Player feel/movement. The players still float around with no illusion of mass/weight. That is not a passing thing that you can ignore, you're going to see this EVERY second that you're playing the game. Its been 8 years.

I read somewhere that the devs are keeping the movement twitchy like that to appease the tournament crowd. Dont know if its true or not, but I do know its still not fixed.

I recall it was either 2k3 or 2k4 football that moved like that also. Folks couldn't STAND that ****. Then they fixed it for 2k5. Madden last gen never had this problem, thats why I'm baffled as to why it is like this now.

You are going at this at the wrong angle.

I mentioned that there are short comings with EA's football games, especially in the physics area, but that won't be addressed till the near future. I'm not the only one that feels taking out suction blocking and tackling is a step in the right direction. This was the #1 complaint over the past several years on the YT community.

He's getting called out because he said there isn't an EA game that can match up against NBA 2k11 and other good sports games. I mentioned FIFA and NHL are right up there and he also mentioned that there was no improvements to RTG and Franchise, which isn't true at all.

That's why he is being questioned to back up his statements, not because of the physics statement that most people knows about.