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  • 87Birdman
    Rookie
    • Jul 2011
    • 473

    #16
    Re: Something is seriously wrong with the defensive AI.

    I just got a question what threshold are you playing on. Because I noticed with threshold at 0 it made the long ball really easy to complete.

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    • ehh
      Hall Of Fame
      • Mar 2003
      • 28962

      #17
      Re: Something is seriously wrong with the defensive AI.

      Originally posted by Gosens6
      I'm not seeing this at all..

      If anything, the secondary is too good in this game. Some of you guys must be really exceptional players

      I was set on using Miami in the OD I'll be doing with one of my buddies I grew up with but I texted him last night and said I may have to reconsider and use Air Force based on my passing skills thus far.
      "You make your name in the regular season, and your fame in the postseason." - Clyde Frazier

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      • Ramminyou
        MVP
        • Feb 2005
        • 1222

        #18
        Re: Something is seriously wrong with the defensive AI.

        Hmm. I've played several games in my DC UCLA coach mode dynasty and I haven't really noticed many deep balls being completed on me. In fact my secondary has deflected or intercepted many deep passes. I'll have to play a game on offense when I get home to see. In the meantime, anyone have video of this issue?
        Last edited by Ramminyou; 07-14-2011, 02:30 PM. Reason: Typo

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        • smithc6
          Rookie
          • Feb 2006
          • 71

          #19
          Re: Something is seriously wrong with the defensive AI.

          Originally posted by sportsgamefanman
          Im playing on Heisman and have CPU pass coverage at 100 too and I'm passing all over the place. I just played Virginia Tech (me) vs Alabama who has a loaded secondary in a 9 min qtr game and it was 31 to 14 me at the end of the 1st quarter. I wasn't even calling verticals...

          I saw no difference in pass coverage at 50 or 100...
          Which of you guys have updated with the patch and which havent?

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          • sportsgamefanman
            Rookie
            • Jun 2011
            • 127

            #20
            Re: Something is seriously wrong with the defensive AI.

            Originally posted by Spanky
            It is harder to complete shorter and medium-range passes as coverage is tight. But receivers are open far too regularly on deep routes. If you continuously throw deep passes you'll march up and down the field with ease.
            The thing is even curl routes and out routes (short or deep) are open way to often and I believe the problem lies in the slider because it doesn't work and is broken. Like I said I saw no difference in the CPU pass coverage slider at 50 or 100. But, the deep ball is all day if there is no pressure! Not to mention If the CPU cb jams you its over! For sure 6!

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            • canes21
              Hall Of Fame
              • Sep 2008
              • 22945

              #21
              Re: Something is seriously wrong with the defensive AI.

              I'm not seeing this at all. I try to catch defenses off guard and go deep on 1st down in my Wyoming defense and even when I have 3 WRs deep on 2 defenders I only complete the pass like 25% of the time. The safeties are always as deep if not deeper than my WRs and are able to move to position before the pass gets there.

              This is Heisman default sliders and 65 speed threshold.

              And I am not seeing curls being open all the time. Both curls and outs are only open when they should. When no one is covering the flats my short outs are working, but other than that it is stopped and when I run curls it only works when they're in cover 2 because that's where the hole is. In man coverage the DBs react and jump in front of my WR's most the time.
              Last edited by canes21; 07-14-2011, 02:34 PM.
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              • Roggie
                MVP
                • Dec 2008
                • 1753

                #22
                Re: Something is seriously wrong with the defensive AI.

                Last night I was getting destroyed in a game against the CPU. Got ticked off, and said screw it, 4 verticals. Ran it about 10 times. 9 catches for 300 yards. ALWAYS a person wide open. Usually two.

                Short passes get demolished by CPU defense, but long balls are always wide open.

                This was using SN's AA slider set.
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                • Gosens6
                  All Star
                  • Oct 2007
                  • 6102

                  #23
                  Re: Something is seriously wrong with the defensive AI.

                  Originally posted by ehh
                  I was set on using Miami in the OD I'll be doing with one of my buddies I grew up with but I texted him last night and said I may have to reconsider and use Air Force based on my passing skills thus far.
                  Tell me about it, when I finally complete a game where I throw for 300+ yards and have less than 2+ interceptions I will be a happy man

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                  • l1mpy
                    Rookie
                    • Jul 2007
                    • 76

                    #24
                    Re: Something is seriously wrong with the defensive AI.

                    How do you all have time to throw downfield so much? I'm using Cinci in my OC dynasty, and the CPU rush is all over me before my players can get 10 yards down the field...

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                    • timmg
                      MVP
                      • Jun 2003
                      • 1384

                      #25
                      Re: Something is seriously wrong with the defensive AI.

                      Originally posted by 87Birdman
                      I just got a question what threshold are you playing on. Because I noticed with threshold at 0 it made the long ball really easy to complete.
                      got mine set at 40 and deep ball hasnt been easy for me, maybe you're right!!

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                      • sportsgamefanman
                        Rookie
                        • Jun 2011
                        • 127

                        #26
                        Re: Something is seriously wrong with the defensive AI.

                        Originally posted by smithc6
                        Which of you guys have updated with the patch and which havent?
                        Im playing after the patch being downloaded...

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                        • Matt Diesel
                          MVP
                          • Mar 2003
                          • 1637

                          #27
                          Re: Something is seriously wrong with the defensive AI.

                          How many of you having the deep ball problems are using custom slider sets and/or custom thresholds?
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                          • sportsgamefanman
                            Rookie
                            • Jun 2011
                            • 127

                            #28
                            Re: Something is seriously wrong with the defensive AI.

                            Originally posted by canes21
                            I'm not seeing this at all. I try to catch defenses off guard and go deep on 1st down in my Wyoming defense and even when I have 3 WRs deep on 2 defenders I only complete the pass like 25% of the time. The safeties are always as deep if not deeper than my WRs and are able to move to position before the pass gets there.

                            This is Heisman default sliders and 65 speed threshold.

                            And I am not seeing curls being open all the time. Both curls and outs are only open when they should. When no one is covering the flats my short outs are working, but other than that it is stopped and when I run curls it only works when they're in cover 2 because that's where the hole is. In man coverage the DBs react and jump in front of my WR's most the time.
                            If the CPU runs man then curls are open no stop and never defended against. Maybe the threshhold slider is our difference though? I have mine set at 45 while you have 65.??? Again any time you are being jammed at the LOS hot route a streak and hes wide open. No help over the top. Obviously different coverages take this away here and there but the deep ball is open 50% of the time which is crazy! As far as out routes or in routes they are open against man and only time its not money is when I throw a bad errant pass (pass accuracy slider is at 20).

                            BTW, anytime I jam the CPU they kill me on deep pass as well and I have over the top help with 2 deep. All I am saying is the pass slider for pass coverage doesn't work. Try it. Put it at 0 then 50 then 100 and see if you can see a difference. I have mine at 100 and I cant go any deeper than that.

                            I am waiting for OS rosters just so I can start editing ratings and at the top of my list is press coverage, man coverage for ALL DB's! Safeties awareness will have to be at 99 for every safety in the game IMO or at least close to it...

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                            • Gotmadskillzson
                              Live your life
                              • Apr 2008
                              • 23442

                              #29
                              Re: Something is seriously wrong with the defensive AI.

                              ? I have mine set at 45


                              That is your problem. Put it at 0 and you won't have all day to throw deep balls non stop.

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                              • ehh
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Mar 2003
                                • 28962

                                #30
                                Re: Something is seriously wrong with the defensive AI.

                                Originally posted by Matt Diesel
                                How many of you having the deep ball problems are using custom slider sets and/or custom thresholds?
                                I'm on default AA, played a handful of games on default Heisman.

                                As I mentioned earlier, it's a combination of very little time in the pocket and a vastly improved CPU secondary. If I actually have time in the pocket its because the CPU is in a Cover 3 or 4 so no one is open down field. If they blitz they will always get to me before any of my WRs have a chance to get deep down the field and get open.

                                I'm not complaining, I love that it's a challenge to move the ball this year, but the game needs a lot of tweaking. Out of the box it's a mess IMO.
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