Madden NFL 12 Has Rated Four Players at 99. Overrated? Who Missed the Cut?

[FlyEaglesFly3]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Has Rated Four Players at 99, Overrated? Who Missed the Cut?

Ware is snubbed again. Witten is somehow lower than Gates? (to anyone not in the know click the link)

http://tiny.cc/WittenVsGates

pffft! lol are you serious. 6 more games, only 220 more yards, and 1 less TD. . . how dare you. Worst attempt @ a proven point I've seen in a while lol. Cowboys' fans are the worst!

He's not better than Gates, not even close. High 90s huh? Okay. No. The whole Cowboys TEAM is over-rated and you're complaining, 6-10 team but want everyone to be the best lol. PAPER CHUMPS!

[SIMstyle]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Has Rated Four Players at 99, Overrated? Who Missed the Cut?

I can agree with this except for the rookies. I'd make the following changes:

1st rounders - 70-79 (absolute elite rookies in college above 77: Von Miller, A.J. Green, Prince Amukamara, Marcell Dareus)
2nd & 3rd rounders - 60-69 (a pretty even distribution here)
Rounds 4 through 7 - 46-59
rookie free agent - 30-45

I know that no rookie ever proves that he belongs in the NFL, but that doesn't mean that you can't neglect what he's done at a level lower. Anyway, there's a lot that goes into the NFL draft, why should it not be reflected?

college doesn't mean much bro. I watched Timmy Chang set countless records @ Hawaii. he couldn't even get through an NFL training camp.

70-79 is way too high tho. why not let their ratings go up when they actually DESERVE it instead? let's not forget about the "absolute elite sure-bet rookies" (chuckle) that crap out every year.....Alex Smith, Troy Williamson or Jamarcus Russell? the list goes on and on. let them stay at 65-70...that's what roster updates are for.

i hear you scfootballfan, but i guess thats why nba 2k is a great SIM (lower ratings) and Madden is not.

[scottyo60]

dont see how Ed Reed isnt a 99 if Troy is

This.

Throw out the nagging injuries and Ed Reed is one of the greatest safeties ever. 8 picks in 10 games to Polamalus 7 in 14.

[HeavyHitter55]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Has Rated Four Players at 99, Overrated? Who Missed the Cut?

college doesn't mean much bro. I watched Timmy Chang set countless records @ Hawaii. he couldn't even get through an NFL training camp.

70-79 is way too high tho. why not let their ratings go up when they actually DESERVE it instead? let's not forget about the "absolute elite sure-bet rookies" (chuckle) that crap out every year.....Alex Smith, Troy Williamson or Jamarcus Russell? the list goes on and on. let them stay at 65-70...that's what roster updates are for.

i hear you scfootballfan, but i guess thats why nba 2k is a great SIM (lower ratings) and Madden is not.

Like my family says: Opinions are like belly buttons: everyone has one...

I didn't bash your scale so sarcastically, so don't bash mine with the same huh?

[dougdeuce]

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Roster share would be so fantastic. I like so many want stretched ratings but don't have the time, patience or energy to re-rate the entire league. I would prefer that the game shipped with stretched out ratings with 1-5 95+ players in the league, but I personally don't care if TJ Houshmazzilly is upset with a 68 OVR.

To expand upon that thought, ratings should be done by a group so they get done correctly. As it is now, players know who to complain to when their ratings are low, and sometimes influence a change.

[havokeff]

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I can buy Brady at 99 ONLY if Manning is 99.

Revis is about as much of a consensus 99 as you are going to get. And as I saw "media hype" mentioned, there is no getting around it as he plays in New York on one of the most media friendly teams in the league right now, but he still deserves the rating.

However, Nnamdi should also get a 99. He has had something like 98 passes even thrown at him since like 08 or 07. He is ridiculous.

Polomalu is the joke of this list. You are going to sit here and tell me that the best safety in the league is going to be so burnt and massively out of position in the SUPER BOWL that, if it weren't for the rest of the teams glaring mistakes, he would almost single handily be taking the blame for the Steelers losing that game? No way.

You are going to sit there and tell me Polomalu is better than Ed Reed? Excuse me, but absolutely not. Hell, I don't even think he is better than Adrian Wilson or Brian Dawkins. Certainly not a healthy Bob Sanders.

My GLARING omissions are Patrick Willis, who has been as consistent as any player on an elite level over a 4 year period, pretty much ever.
Haloti Ngata who is just absolutely unstoppable.
The a fore mentioned Reed.

However, I am guessing my ommisions are going to come in as 97s or 98s which isn't that bad.

[steinhauser34]

antonio gates is not a 99. tom brady 97 or 98 you choose. I got no opinion on Revis. polomalu is DEFINETLY a 99. go back and watch steelers defense without him and it's a night and day difference. he may have had a bad game in the superbowl but he is definetly the most influential defensive player in the NFL and usually comes out and plays top notch. I'm a Bears fan so i'm not playing favorites but if you can't see that polomalu is a 99 then you didn't watch enough football last year.

[Millennium]

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They are talking about this on the OS Radio show now. They say Gates and Revis don't deserve the overall 99.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/operationsports/2011/07/19/os-radio-show--ncaa-football-fallout-edition?ie8c=0

[elprez98]

Unless the QB runs like VIck and passes like Manning, I don't see him being 99.

[R0M0mentum09]

pffft! lol are you serious. 6 more games, only 220 more yards, and 1 less TD. . . how dare you. Worst attempt @ a proven point I've seen in a while lol. Cowboys' fans are the worst!

He's not better than Gates, not even close. High 90s huh? Okay. No. The whole Cowboys TEAM is over-rated and you're complaining, 6-10 team but want everyone to be the best lol. PAPER CHUMPS!

Yeah don't factor 44 extra catches that Witten has on Gates. Obviously Gates is going to average more yards per catch etc. He's way more athletic than Witten.

I'm saying Witten is a better route runner (would have to be an amazing one with his lack of Gates athleticism)

Witten has better hands (rarely drops a pass, Vernon Davis said "Witten has the best hands of ANY WR/TE in the NFL)

Witten is a better blocker (evidenced by the fact that in the redzone Witten is blocking) Go look at the difference in redzone targets between the two. Obviously Gates should have more touchdowns.

and are we really rating players higher based strictly off athleticism and "wow" plays? or who plays the position better overall?

[havokeff]

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Let me go ahead and throw my two cents in on the rating system, as that seems to be where this thread is going.

It needs to be a sliding scale.

By that I mean you have someone, WR A, at 99 OVR. His speed is 99. His catching is in the 90s, accel in the high 80s and the other traits that make him a 99 are all high.

Now you have a rookie come in, WR B, that is faster at 4.21. Now that 40 time is now the fasted making his speed 99 and dropping WR A's speed to 98 because his 40 was only a 4.24, however, his OVR isn't affected, yet.

Two years later and WR A in his 5th year has gotten better. Stats are all in the 90's now. However, WR B in his 3rd year, is still faster, and in his three years has developed better hands and route running than WR A, so his OVR is now 99 because he is the best in the game and WR B drops to a 98 or 97 because he is no longer the best, yet he is 5 OVR points ahead of #3, 4 and 5.

Even though WR A has gotten better, his rating drops because it represents the overall package in comparison to the other players in the game at the position.

Now I noticed that someone said 99s should be 'reserved' for guys like Rice. But when Rice was playing, he was certainly not the fastest, nor did he have the best hands (Chris Carter did, and Rice will tell you that himself), but his OVR would have made him the only 99 in the game.

If you dropped him into the mix with hypothetical WR A and B, they would then drop down to 97, 96 or whatever the scale dictated to adjust for the high ratings Rice would have across the board. He gets hurt and retires, then they would go back up to 99 and 98 respectively.

This would be the ideal system, however, with the way the game works, I don't think anyone would tolerate the load times it would take for the game to readjust every player if you decided to adjust just one player. It would probably be horrendous.

So we have what we have now.

I would like to have adjustment abilities in season and in franchise though. I swore it was there one year.

[rich7sena]

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While I agree all but Revis are the best at their respective positions, none of the them should be 99 overall.

[Afrikan]

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Although I don't agree with it...the good thing about Gates being rated at 99, is that means Vernon Davis will not be that far off.

since Patrick Willis is not on the list, I'm presuming he has a 98 rating. ಠ_ಠ

[JerseySuave4]

they're all overrated. No active player should be ranked over a 96. 97-99 ratings should be reserved for all-time greats like Deion, Barry, Payton and Jerry Rice.

while i would normally agree with that, Brady is already an All Time Great, 1st ballot HOF & Top 5 QB of All Time so him being a 99 i have no problem with. Brady & Peyton will be ranked in the top 5 QBs of All Time when they are done playing.

[JerseySuave4]

I can buy Brady at 99 ONLY if Manning is 99.

Revis is about as much of a consensus 99 as you are going to get. And as I saw "media hype" mentioned, there is no getting around it as he plays in New York on one of the most media friendly teams in the league right now, but he still deserves the rating.

However, Nnamdi should also get a 99. He has had something like 98 passes even thrown at him since like 08 or 07. He is ridiculous.

Polomalu is the joke of this list. You are going to sit here and tell me that the best safety in the league is going to be so burnt and massively out of position in the SUPER BOWL that, if it weren't for the rest of the teams glaring mistakes, he would almost single handily be taking the blame for the Steelers losing that game? No way.

You are going to sit there and tell me Polomalu is better than Ed Reed? Excuse me, but absolutely not. Hell, I don't even think he is better than Adrian Wilson or Brian Dawkins. Certainly not a healthy Bob Sanders.

My GLARING omissions are Patrick Willis, who has been as consistent as any player on an elite level over a 4 year period, pretty much ever.
Haloti Ngata who is just absolutely unstoppable.
The a fore mentioned Reed.

However, I am guessing my ommisions are going to come in as 97s or 98s which isn't that bad.

Brady is better than Manning. He has more rings and now with statistics he's proving he's the better QB by being more efficient, putting up crazy numbers and making no mistakes. He does just as much as Peyton with calling and controlling the offense but people don't notice that the way they do with Peyton because such a big deal was made earlier in Peyton's career about the audibles and hand signs he does presnap but Brady does all of that as well. Not to mention he won with mediocre WRs, put up ridiculous numbers with good WRs and is still doing it with young WRs.