3-4 vs 4-3

[AZ9er]

I haven't tried this yet, but does is this year's version of the game able to distinguish the unique traits of a 3-4 OLB from a 4-3 OLB? or a 3-4DE/NT from a 4-3DE/DT?

I've been wanting to switch to a 3-4 Defense a number of times throughout the years, but the games in the past seem incapable of rating players correctly for a 3-4 defense.

I don't want my 6'1 220lb OLB to play as a 3-4OLB. or a 6'2 250lb DE to be my 3-4 DE. I want the game to be smart enough to know that if I switch my base defense to a 3-4, I want DT at DE, and smaller speedy finesse DEs at OLB.

Has anyone tried making a conversion to 3-4 yet?

[blkrptnt819]

I like the way the 3-4 plays this year. As for finding personal, that may be a problem.

[Redacted01]

Re: 3-4 vs 4-3

Just recruit and set up the formations yourself. The game isn't going to automatically predict that you want so-and-so here and not there.

[AZ9er]

Re: 3-4 vs 4-3

Just recruit and set up the formations yourself. The game isn't going to automatically predict that you want so-and-so here and not there.

That's not really the point. The point is that in the past, the game doesn't factor in the 3-4 OLB spot, and thus doesn't rate it properly. You can set up the formation the way you want, but if you move a player from 4-3 DE to 3-4 OLB, their rating plummets even though thats their appropriate position. So I was just hoping someone has tried this and can tell me if moving a player from 4-3 to 3-4 changes their rating drastically.

[3Percenter]

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Can't you edit the ratings in dynasty?

[AZ9er]

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Can't you edit the ratings in dynasty?

You can.. but that's not realistic. In order to improve an OLB's overall rating, you'd have to increase a bunch of stuff that only makes sense for a 4-3 OLB like man coverage, zone coverage, etc that would completely change the ability of the player you're putting at 3-4OLB. The point is, a different skillset is required for 3-4 OLB, one that is simillar but not the same as, a "Pass Rushing" DE in a 4-3. Changing that many variables would ruin the game IMO.

[BeaverBeliever97267]

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As for as I can that part (that if you change positions their rates go down) is the same.

[Broncos86]

Re: 3-4 vs 4-3

That's not really the point. The point is that in the past, the game doesn't factor in the 3-4 OLB spot, and thus doesn't rate it properly. You can set up the formation the way you want, but if you move a player from 4-3 DE to 3-4 OLB, their rating plummets even though thats their appropriate position. So I was just hoping someone has tried this and can tell me if moving a player from 4-3 to 3-4 changes their rating drastically.

Can't you edit the ratings in dynasty?

You can edit ratings in dynasty. The game isn't going to differentiate between a LB suited for the 4-3 versus a LB suited for the 3-4. It's also not always going to play nice when moving a DE to LB. I do see unique cases where it works, but it's usually a player that has actually made the move in life, like Elvis Dumervil. Putting him back on the line makes him a dominate force.

Your best bet is to adjust the ratings yourself.

[AZ9er]

Re: 3-4 vs 4-3

As for as I can that part (that if you change positions their rates go down) is the same.

Thx. Thats the info I'm looking for. I'd try it myself, but I'm at work...........thinking about NCAA12.

You can edit ratings in dynasty. The game isn't going to differentiate between a LB suited for the 4-3 versus a LB suited for the 3-4. It's also not always going to play nice when moving a DE to LB. I do see unique cases where it works, but it's usually a player that has actually made the move in life, like Elvis Dumervil. Putting him back on the line makes him a dominate force.

Your best bet is to adjust the ratings yourself.

Yeah. I noticed that fundamental flaw in Madden as well. Where moving an average 3-4OLB to DE makes them superstars, where in real life they'd be the same or maybe worse. I play as the Niners, and when I switch from 3-4 back to 4-3, I change Manny Lawson to a DE and he goes from like 84 to 91.. its pretty ridiculous and definitely something I think should be in consideration for NCAA13, since 3-4 defenses are becoming more popular.

[blkrptnt819]

Thx. Thats the info I'm looking for. I'd try it myself, but I'm at work...........thinking about NCAA12.



Yeah. I noticed that fundamental flaw in Madden as well. Where moving an average 3-4OLB to DE makes them superstars, where in real life they'd be the same or maybe worse. I play as the Niners, and when I switch from 3-4 back to 4-3, I change Manny Lawson to a DE and he goes from like 84 to 91.. its pretty ridiculous and definitely something I think should be in consideration for NCAA13, since 3-4 defenses are becoming more popular.

I can actually see that boost. Think about how versatile ur defense is with a 3-4 OLB at 4-3 DE. Dropping him into zone will bringing the LB and S could be deadly!

[Broncos86]

Re: 3-4 vs 4-3

IMO, the true value to the 3 - 4 (in terms of NCAA and Madden) is in blitzing LBs from different places. Against the CPU, this doesn't matter, since I KNOW the CPU cheats on this stuff. But against another person, especially one who slides protection, this could be a weapon.

[Wildcat67]

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I'm doing the 3-4 thing. I'm actually having fun with the challenge of recruiting speedy DEs and then moving them to OLB their freshman year. I also am recruiting pass rushing DTs and moving them to DE.

It's kinda fun to recruit the specialist and have to think ahead a few years, rather then just recruiting any old player and plugging him into the regular old spot.

I actually moved Jadeveon Clowney to OLB for South Carolina 6'5" 250lb OLB is awesome. It's gonna take me another year to get all the players, but that gives me something to look forward to.

[cap032]

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I play the 3-4 with Bama. As mentioned the game doesnt differentiate. Just get the position player you need and roll with it. It doesnt matter in this game if your DE is 6'2 220lbs. The game doesnt figure in the physical differences. It was a huge let down that the dynasty editing doesnt let you fix players weight to make it appropriate for thieir posiion. So go ahead and put that 220lb DE in your 3-4, he'll play the same as the 260lb guy you would preferr.

[AZ9er]

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Great info cap032 and Wildcat. This is exactly what I'm looking to hear about. I might have to restart my Arizona dynasty to try this. I love the versatility of the 3-4 defense, being able to apply pressure in various blitz packages is very appealing. And Arizona's personnel package is pretty well suited for the switch, since we primarily recruit smaller speedy DEs and thick run stuffing DEs.

The question I have for you Wildcat and cap, is when you recruit these DEs, and switch them to OLB, whats the OVR ratings change like?

[Hot RoDD T]

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You can.. but that's not realistic. In order to improve an OLB's overall rating, you'd have to increase a bunch of stuff that only makes sense for a 4-3 OLB like man coverage, zone coverage, etc that would completely change the ability of the player you're putting at 3-4OLB. The point is, a different skillset is required for 3-4 OLB, one that is simillar but not the same as, a "Pass Rushing" DE in a 4-3. Changing that many variables would ruin the game IMO.

Yea their overall rating would drop, but what are the particularly important attributes your looking at for your OLB's in 3-4? Pass Russ, Tackling, Strength,... basically the same stuff as a 4-3 DE? Not implying that this is what you are looking for or at, just that even if you do change positions and overall grade drops, he will still play the same in the role you intend to use him for. Example, if you move a 4-3 DE to 3-4 OLB and use him primarily as a pass rusher & run stopper on the edge, he will be just as good at this task as he would be as a 4-3 DE. Not sure if EA did anything this year that takes into account this generation's hybrid outside defender, sucks if not and sucks that your guys overall won't show. But if you use him in the capacity of a DE, he will play just as well in either formation.