Madden NFL 12 Has Rated Four Players at 99. Overrated? Who Missed the Cut?

[CJTHA1]

Oh and one more thing..The reason Jason Witten is better than Gates is because Jason is a complete TE and Gates is not..Period

[raidertiger]

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Let's assume everyone is right and Nnamdi doesn't cover number 1 receivers. Then why isn't Stanford Routt a 90+, since he must be doing it and putting up nice numbers?

[KOTC Wayne]

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Who's arguing for Tony Gonzalez to be 99?

A 99 player should execute every aspect of his position at the highest level. Gates is probably the best receiving TE going today, he doesn't execute every aspect of the TE position at the highest level and that's not really in question.

If this debate were taking place 15 years ago, I would argue against Deion Sanders being a 99 overall by virtue of his tackling, although he's definitely be 99 worth as far as man coverage, speed agility, etc.

The way the game has always been as far as players overalls is some attributes of a specific players position weigh more on the influence of that particular player Ovr than others and a TE's blocking is one of the least of factors they weigh in on that. Even in real life, I would want my CB to be able to tackle ( Deion ) but if he can't tackle that good but is superb in coverage rather it's man or zone then I will take that any day of the week.That's like saying Brady or Manning shouldn't be 99 Ovr b/c they can't scramble which is an execution the QB has to make at times. With Witten and Gates, I'm a Cowboys fan but I have to give the nod to Gates and his athletic ability plays a big factor in it.

[KOTC Wayne]

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Some are missing the point of Witten/Gates debate.

Witten is the best TE in the league, Gates is not. He is just the best receiving tight end, he is practically a wide receiver playing tight end. Witten does everything a tight end should do better then anyone it the game.

True but the game doesn't factor that in like I said before and even in real life, who did the players vote the best TE today in the Top 100 voting on NFL Network? While Witten blocks better than Gates and I'm sure it's not by a long shot, Gates can take over a game in the TE position and Witten can hurt you but not in the way Gates can.

[therealsmallville]

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Ed Reed and Peyton Manning should definitely be a 99..

With the ratings based on last year, why do you think Manning should be a 99? Not arguing with you, just curious. I would think that 3 game stretch of picks would be enough reason to keep him at 98 (and honestly...1 point of overall will not make a difference anyway. He'll play like a 99).

[Palo20]

Let's assume everyone is right and Nnamdi doesn't cover number 1 receivers. Then why isn't Stanford Routt a 90+, since he must be doing it and putting up nice numbers?

It's not that Nnandi doesn't cover number 1 WRs, it's just that he always plays RCB. If the number 1 lines up on the left, he covers him.

Nnandi and Revis are both special players.

Using 2009 as an example, Revis covered all number 1 WRs on the opposing team and when he was thrown at, QBs had a rating of about 32.0. That was Brady to Moss, Schaub to Johnson, Manning to Wayne (for one half), Ryan to White, Matt Moore to Steve Smith, Brees to whomever Revis covered that day, etc. Revis was thrown at as much as any CB in the league and held those combos to a rating of 32.0. Was he helped by a good pass rush? Yes, but those numbers are ludicrous. He made those guys worse than Jamarcus Russell.

Now also in 2009, Nnandi was thrown at less than 2 times per game (Revis saw over 120 passes his way) . Nnadi was right around 30 throws his way. That's legitimately shutting down half the field. Obviously other teams were showing him serious respect because he's that good.

I just think Revis is a once in a generation talent to do what he is doing in the most pass happy time in league history.

And for the record, Routt had an outstanding season last year. He should have a high rating.

[..GameOver..]

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I replied to a post made on the first page so I quickly deleted this since it is probably irrelevant at this point.

[mojo6911]

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Ed Reed and Peyton Manning should definitely be a 99..

No way Manning should have a 99. He had his worst season since 2002. He didn't even have a 2:1 TD:INT ratio, his yards per attempt were the 2nd lowest of his career. The only reason he threw for a lot of yards is because he threw it 50 times more than he ever has in a season.

Compared to Brady, who only threw 4 INTs all season, had more TDs than Manning, had a yard more per attempt than Manning. Brady had one of the greatest seasons of QB play all time and was throwing to guys like Wes Welker, Danny Woodhead, and two rookie TEs.

Manning is overrated. Ed Reed, I agree, should be a 99.

[BigSpleen]

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Ware is snubbed again. Witten is somehow lower than Gates? (to anyone not in the know click the link)

http://tiny.cc/WittenVsGates

gates is much better then witten, not rocket science.

[BigSpleen]

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nnamdi isnt a 99 overall. wat a joke

prob one of the best man to man cover corners ever? how is that a joke?

[crenk]

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My bro and I have been playing a 2 man franchise on madden 09 ps2 for the last couple of years. If memory serves we are in year 7 and I alone have something like 8 or 9 players ranked 99, he has about the same. Probably another 20-30 in the league. I think 5 or 6 Qb's are 99 etc. I Hope the progression in madden 12 limits it so after a few years we aren't overloaded with talent. Way better to get a 99 on your roster an feel like you really have a special player imo

[BigSpleen]

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Nnamdi is an excellent player, and IMO should be a 98 if Revis is a 99.

The reason that Revis sees more passes his way is because he follows the opponents top weapon no matter where he lines up (left, right, slot, etc.) so if you want your best player involved you have to go through Revis (just ask Reggie Wayne in the playoffs - 1 catch for 1 yard!).

As great a player as Aso is, to avoid him you just line up your top WR on the opposite side of him and its as easy as that. Revis plays straight man to man the majority of the time without any help over the top and will cover you in the slot and/or either side of the field where as Aso is limited in that regard.

Again, not taking anything away from Aso as he and Revis are the ONLY 2 true shutdown CBs going today, just IMO (and plenty of others from GMs to analysts to current players and coaches) Revis is slightly better overall.

revis also has safety help and exotic zone coverage to help. ASo was one on one with fits last year and fitz was invisible, no safety help nothing. Sorry, Aso is the best Cb in the league.

the raiders moved around aso a lot more on #1 WR last year.

[bkrich83]

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It's not that Nnandi doesn't cover number 1 WRs, it's just that he always plays RCB. If the number 1 lines up on the left, he covers him.

Nnandi and Revis are both special players.

Using 2009 as an example, Revis covered all number 1 WRs on the opposing team and when he was thrown at, QBs had a rating of about 32.0. That was Brady to Moss, Schaub to Johnson, Manning to Wayne (for one half), Ryan to White, Matt Moore to Steve Smith, Brees to whomever Revis covered that day, etc. Revis was thrown at as much as any CB in the league and held those combos to a rating of 32.0. Was he helped by a good pass rush? Yes, but those numbers are ludicrous. He made those guys worse than Jamarcus Russell.

Now also in 2009, Nnandi was thrown at less than 2 times per game (Revis saw over 120 passes his way) . Nnadi was right around 30 throws his way. That's legitimately shutting down half the field. Obviously other teams were showing him serious respect because he's that good.

I just think Revis is a once in a generation talent to do what he is doing in the most pass happy time in league history.

And for the record, Routt had an outstanding season last year. He should have a high rating.

I'll say this about Revis, I have seen him frustrate big big time opposing WR's with no help more than I have seen any CB since Deion. That includes guys like Aso and Champ Bailey, etc.

Aso is a great player, bar none the 2nd best cover corner in the league, but Revis in what I have seen is simply at a different level. He's that good imo. I thought he was off a bit early last year, but the holdout and a hamstring injury I think put him behind, but he seemed to get stronger as the season progressed.

[bkrich83]

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revis also has safety help and exotic zone coverage to help. ASo was one on one with fits last year and fitz was invisible, no safety help nothing. Sorry, Aso is the best Cb in the league.

That's not really true. They play a ton of zero coverage, or play 1 coverage with safety help on the other side so they can load the box and do all that whacky stuff up front. Revis is alone on an island as much as anyone.

I've seen him now twice frustrate Vincent Jackson like no other including Aso, and he did a number on Andre Johnson unlike I have ever seen.

[BigSpleen]

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I'll say this about Revis, I have seen him frustrate big big time opposing WR's with no help more than I have seen any CB since Deion. That includes guys like Aso and Champ Bailey, etc.

Aso is a great player, bar none the 2nd best cover corner in the league, but Revis in what I have seen is simply at a different level. He's that good imo. I thought he was off a bit early last year, but the holdout and a hamstring injury I think put him behind, but he seemed to get stronger as the season progressed.

Except Aso is better. The raiderrs DID in fact use Aso a lot more on just #1 receivers and moved him around. he made Larry Fitzgeral dissappear last year all game. No safety helop, ever always 1 on 1, Revis does not play man to man 1 on 1, he almost always has safety help and other exptic coverages to help him.

Aso statistically has had 2 of the best years a cb can have in shutting down receivers.