Madden NFL 12 Has Rated Four Players at 99. Overrated? Who Missed the Cut?

[BigSpleen]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Has Rated Four Players at 99. Overrated? Who Missed the Cut?

That's not really true. They play a ton of zero coverage, or play 1 coverage with safety help on the other side so they can load the box and do all that whacky stuff up front. Revis is alone on an island as much as anyone.

I've seen him now twice frustrate Vincent Jackson like no other including Aso, and he did a number on Andre Johnson unlike I have ever seen.

Aso does that weekly.... Reggie wayne 1 catch, a diving 1 at that as ASo was all over him. larry fitzgerald.... Same. Whats your point?

Again, no one plays man to man and leaves the CB alone like the raiders do. Revis has a lot more help then NAm ever had.

[bkrich83]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Has Rated Four Players at 99. Overrated? Who Missed the Cut?

Except Aso is better. The raiderrs DID in fact use Aso a lot more on just #1 receivers and moved him around. he made Larry Fitzgeral dissappear last year all game. No safety helop, ever always 1 on 1, Revis does not play man to man 1 on 1, he almost always has safety help and other exptic coverages to help him.

Aso statistically has had 2 of the best years a cb can have in shutting down receivers.

Defensive stats particularly in the secondary are a lot of hokum.

Again the Jets play a TON of zero coverage. Or basically man/free rolled to Cromartie's side. But they have so much confidence in the two CB's they play zero coverage a lot. How do you think they are able to run those overload, and underneath zone blitzes?

The notion that Revis gets a ton of safety help is false. Their front's and blitzes are exotic, but their coverage in the secondary is pretty vanilla. You'll see a robber techinque occasionally, but that defense is predicated on pressue man coverage on the perimeter which allows them to overwhelm the offensive line with numbers.

Not sure what you're basing Aso being better than Revis on, other than some coverage stats.

[bkrich83]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Has Rated Four Players at 99. Overrated? Who Missed the Cut?

Revis has a lot more help then NAm ever had.

Where are you getting this?

[BigSpleen]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Has Rated Four Players at 99. Overrated? Who Missed the Cut?

Defensive stats particularly in the secondary are a lot of hokum.

Again the Jets play a TON of zero coverage. Or basically man/free rolled to Cromartie's side. But they have so much confidence in the two CB's they play zero coverage a lot. How do you think they are able to run those overload, and underneath zone blitzes?

The notion that Revis gets a ton of safety help is false. Their front's and blitzes are exotic, but their coverage in the secondary is pretty vanilla. You'll see a robber techinque occasionally, but that defense is predicated on pressue man coverage on the perimeter which allows them to overwhelm the offensive line with numbers.

Not sure what you're basing Aso being better than Revis on, other than some coverage stats.

Again, revis gets a lot more help the man to man only NAM.

What are you basing Revis being better? ASO shuts down everyone period, with no help, ever.

Aso is also a great tackler.

[bkrich83]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Has Rated Four Players at 99. Overrated? Who Missed the Cut?

Again, revis gets a lot more help the man to man only NAM.

What are you basing Revis being better? ASO shuts down everyone period, with no help, ever.

Aso is also a great tackler.

Again where are you getting this info that Revis gets more help?

I've seen Revis do things to opposing WR's that I have not seen anyone else do. I have seen up close and personal him frustrate Vincent Jackson more than once, I have seen Jackson make plays vs. Aso.

I saw him do things to Andre Johnson I have never seen.

Aso is a great player, I just don't see how he's better than Revis, as someone else said, Revis to me is a once in a generation player.

If he didn't play for the Raiders I doubt we have this conversation.

[BigSpleen]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Has Rated Four Players at 99. Overrated? Who Missed the Cut?

Again where are you getting this info that Revis gets more help?

I've seen Revis do things to opposing WR's that I have not seen anyone else do. I have seen up close and personal him frustrate Vincent Jackson more than once, I have seen Jackson make plays vs. Aso.

I saw him do things to Andre Johnson I have never seen.

Aso is a great player, I just don't see how he's better than Revis, as someone else said, Revis to me is a once in a generation player.

If he didn't play for the Raiders I doubt we have this conversation.

What the fooooo>>> revis has done nothing ASo has not been doijng for 4 years................................ Aso is every bit as good as Revis, better even.

Aso was shnutting down everyone he touches for years, Revies gets beat more often... and he DOES have more help from his scheme..

he get more help from more blitzing which increases pressure which makes Cb cover for less time. he does get safety help from time to time a zone help. Aso gets NONE of this.

I have seen receivers make plays on revis,...how is that relevant Everyone gets beat sometimes...... And i know the play your talking about,.... it was not on ASO, Aso was supposed to release jackson but the Safety was not there so aso had to turn back and try and make up ground.....

Fitz nevr made a play on ASo, the hardest to stop one on one..... neither did wayne.....You act like Revis never gets beat he does and more so then aso, the stats show that.

You never seen a Cb do what revis has? never watched any raiders game then or never watched (Insert great Cb name here).

[bkrich83]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Has Rated Four Players at 99. Overrated? Who Missed the Cut?

What the fooooo>>> revis has done nothing ASo has not been doijng for 4 years................................ Aso is every bit as good as Revis, better even.

Aso was shnutting down everyone he touches for years, Revies gets beat more often... and he DOES have more help from his scheme..

he get more help from more blitzing which increases pressure which makes Cb cover for less time. he does get safety help from time to time a zone help. Aso gets NONE of this.

I have seen receivers make plays on revis,...how is that relevant Everyone gets beat sometimes...... And i know the play your talking about,.... it was not on ASO, Aso was supposed to release jackson but the Safety was not there so aso had to turn back and try and make up ground.....

Fitz nevr made a play on ASo, the hardest to stop one on one..... neither did wayne.....You act like Revis never gets beat he does and more so then aso, the stats show that.

Yeah it was the safeties' fault. LOL. If that was the only time Jackson beat him you might have a point.

Have you ever watched a Jets game? I don't think you really understand what they do on defense.

If you want to believe your opinion as fact as well, more power to you. If you want to believe you know more than I, again more power to you.

Imo, Revis is the best CB and possibly the best defender in the league. Until I see otherwise I'll stick with that.

[BigSpleen]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Has Rated Four Players at 99. Overrated? Who Missed the Cut?

Yeah it was the safeties' fault. LOL. If that was the only time Jackson beat him you might have a point.

Have you ever watched a Jets game? I don't think you really understand what they do on defense.

If you want to believe your opinion as fact as well, more power to you. If you want to believe you know more than I, again more power to you.

Imo, Revis is the best CB and possibly the best defender in the league. Until I see otherwise I'll stick with that.

Charles woodson was better then revis last year, Aso was as well. Again, I have seen revis get beat many times what is even your point bringing up one time aso got beat? want me to bring uop that time revis got beat? LMAO, thats a pathetic argument. deion got beat to.............................. Aso shuts people down with may more consistency and yes, Revis has a lot more help. Aso is also a much better tackler.

revis got beat often against the ravens, you never see aso get beat that much in a game.

revis plays on a great D aso does not.... who has more help? it's common sense. Put aso ona great D and you'll see a great CB.

Ask peyton Manning after ASo shut down wayne manning said "Thats the best CB I have ever seen i don't throw it his way". I'll take mannings word.

Aso = 1 td in 3 years.......................

[bkrich83]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Has Rated Four Players at 99. Overrated? Who Missed the Cut?

Charles woodson was better then revis last year, Aso was as well. Again, I have seen revis get beat many times what is even your point bringing up one time aso got beat? want me to bring uop that time revis got beat? LMAO, thats a pathetic argument. deion got beat to.............................. Aso shuts people down with may more consistency and yes, Revis has a lot more help. Aso is also a much better tackler.

revis got beat often against the ravens, you never see aso get beat that much in a game.

revis plays on a great D aso does not.... who has more help? it's common sense. Put aso ona great D and you'll see a great CB.

Ask peyton Manning after ASo shut down wayne manning said "Thats the best CB I have ever seen i don't throw it his way". I'll take mannings word.

Aso = 1 td in 3 years.......................

Now you're changing your argument around. So no you really don't know much about the Jets defensive principles.

In your opinion Aso is better. You're welcome to that. I simply disagree. I've seen both play, a lot and live. Given what I know of the position and how those defenses deploy them I'll take Revis any day of the week. Maybe it's just me. If it is, I am ok with that..

[BigSpleen]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Has Rated Four Players at 99. Overrated? Who Missed the Cut?

Now you're changing your argument around. So no you really don't know much about the Jets defensive principles.

In your opinion Aso is better. You're welcome to that. I simply disagree. I've seen both play, a lot and live. Given what I know of the position and how those defenses deploy them I'll take Revis any day of the week. Maybe it's just me. If it is, I am ok with that..

good for you I also have seen both play, and Peyton manning has played against both, he said ASo was the best Cb he has seen. Given what i know of the position and the defense they deploy I'll take Aso any day of the week, manning would to. So would Rod woodson. I think those 2 know more then you.

revis is flashier, has a much better supporting cast and has the New york media hyping him up, Aso is way better.

[bkrich83]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Has Rated Four Players at 99. Overrated? Who Missed the Cut?

good for you I also have seen both play, and Peyton manning has played against both, he said ASo was the best Cb he has seen. Given what i know of the position and the defense they deploy I'll take Aso any day of the week, manning would to. So would Rod woodson. I think those 2 know more then you.

revis is flashier, has a much better supporting cast and has the New york media hyping him up, Aso is way better.

Given what you've posted recently you disagreeing with me, makes me feel even better about my opinion. thank you.

There's no reason to get upset when others don't agree with your opinion.

[iBlievN5]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Has Rated Four Players at 99. Overrated? Who Missed the Cut?

I want to jump in on this, I read a lot of profootballfocus.com and they do "in-depth" film analysis and give out grades.

So, you say Aso is an excellent tackler, these paragraphs:

"One name that jumps out at the lower end of the spectrum is that of free agent supertarget, Nnamdi Asomugha, who has missed 20 tackles, which is one in every 5.5 he has attempted. I’ve had brief discussions with people before on this topic and so I didn’t want to leave it with just the raw numbers – I wanted to look a little further into Asomugha’s misses.

13 of his 20 misses were against running backs on designed running plays, including all of his 2010 misses. I’ve heard it suggested that this is a result of Asomugha not being asked to support the run, and so he is often out of position and approaching the tackle from poor angles or positions, but that isn’t really the case. In the majority of times, he’s in position, but simply can’t make the stop. Six of the misses were in the passing game against receivers, but perhaps the most damning miss came from 2008 when he was stiff-armed to the ground by a scrambling Jay Cutler."

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/07/21/missed-tackles-three-year-bests-and-worsts/

say otherwise.

you say Revis has been had in coverage, and while that is somewhat true in the beginning of 2010, this article:

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/05/11/darrelle-revis-overlooked/

details that by the end of 2010 Revis once again #1. Asomugha is amazing, but he's not Revis, he's not too far off of Revis though.

[Bk1234903]

Where is Mike Vick? Lol

[BigSpleen]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Has Rated Four Players at 99. Overrated? Who Missed the Cut?

I want to jump in on this, I read a lot of profootballfocus.com and they do "in-depth" film analysis and give out grades.

So, you say Aso is an excellent tackler, these paragraphs:

"One name that jumps out at the lower end of the spectrum is that of free agent supertarget, Nnamdi Asomugha, who has missed 20 tackles, which is one in every 5.5 he has attempted. I’ve had brief discussions with people before on this topic and so I didn’t want to leave it with just the raw numbers – I wanted to look a little further into Asomugha’s misses.

13 of his 20 misses were against running backs on designed running plays, including all of his 2010 misses. I’ve heard it suggested that this is a result of Asomugha not being asked to support the run, and so he is often out of position and approaching the tackle from poor angles or positions, but that isn’t really the case. In the majority of times, he’s in position, but simply can’t make the stop. Six of the misses were in the passing game against receivers, but perhaps the most damning miss came from 2008 when he was stiff-armed to the ground by a scrambling Jay Cutler."

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/07/21/missed-tackles-three-year-bests-and-worsts/

say otherwise.

you say Revis has been had in coverage, and while that is somewhat true in the beginning of 2010, this article:

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/05/11/darrelle-revis-overlooked/

details that by the end of 2010 Revis once again #1. Asomugha is amazing, but he's not Revis, he's not too far off of Revis though.

This is the dumbest post i have ever read. name one Cb that can tackle a RB one on one? You know why Aso is left at times 1 on1 versus RB? The raiders play man to man, if a Rb gets past the LB's the CB's all have their backs turned to the play so they have tendency to give up big plays. Aso at times is left in the open field against a RB no CB can make that tackle often. Learn some football.

The stats clearly show aso much better in coverage. statistically ASo has the best shudown numbers ever. Again, revis also has a much betetr supporting cast and help.

Manning rod woodson and other players have said aso is the best corner in the game.

[bkrich83]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Has Rated Four Players at 99. Overrated? Who Missed the Cut?

This is the dumbest post i have ever read. name one Cb that can tackle a RB one on one? You know why Aso is left at times 1 on1 versus RB? The raiders play man to man, if a Rb gets past the LB's the CB's all have their backs turned to the play so they have tendency to give up big plays. Aso at times is left in the open field against a RB no CB can make that tackle often. Learn some football.

The stats clearly show aso much better in coverage. statistically ASo has the best shudown numbers ever. Again, revis also has a much betetr supporting cast and help.

Manning rod woodson and other players have said aso is the best corner in the game.

Yeah it's everyone else who needs to learn football. Classic.