Madden NFL 12 Rookie Ratings: Top Quarterbacks

[shylo3716]

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So Mallett's arm strength rating will be higher then Flacco's correct?

He should be the highest rated for the game, if not it's a CRIME.

[s38s38s]

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thank god we can just edit this entire list.
I plan to make
Cam- 65 F
Locker- 75 A
Gabbert- 72 B
Ponder- 71 A
Dalton- 70 B
Kapernick- 68 B
Mallet- 73 A
Stanzi- 65 C
Yates- 65 C
Mcelroy- 67 B

And this is why you're not an NFL talent evaluator. So Cam comes out more polished than Vick, Russell, and Young and you say "F" potential. I'm not saying he'll be a star etc. but he offers the most upside, whether he taps into it or not remains a completely different story. Though to say from jump street he won't seems pre-mature.

Another thing to consider is his natural athleticism, that plays a role (even if just accounting for a point or two). Not only does he have the arm strength, prototypical size, and ability to make all the throws; he can make bigger defenders miss, fight off the smaller ones and keep plays alive. No other QB drafted could have that said about him, so you have to account for that expanded skill set and it reflects in my belief via his overall. Basically compensating for lack of reps, experience, with his physical talents.

Also many will see I am a Panther fan, but even when I created him, I had him as a 74 ovr and felt that was fair. (See earlier post)

[StayPlation82]

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i made a Mallet CAP with an overall 69 and he was quite servicable. To the Cam haters...

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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A lot of love for Mallet in this thread, kind of disturbing. The guy is a good QB, but a lot of that had to do with the players around him as well as Arkansas had a great stable of WRs, as well as a great running game.

Locker was projected as the #1 pick in 2010 if he had come out...he dropped to 8th in this past year's draft and people act like he is awful or something. Give me a break.

I don't mean to be rude, but did you watch Locker play? Yeah, he has all the tools to be a great QB, but my god, you could cut a chicken's head off and their body's IQ would still be higher than Locker's football IQ lol. He made some of the worst decisions I've seen since Rob Johnson.

thank god we can just edit this entire list.
I plan to make
Cam- 65 F
Locker- 75 A
Gabbert- 72 B
Ponder- 71 A
Dalton- 70 B
Kapernick- 68 B
Mallet- 73 A
Stanzi- 65 C
Yates- 65 C
Mcelroy- 67 B

Good lord this list is just putrid.

I don't even think Cam is that good, but anyone that doesn't think he has the most potential probably of any rookie this year is kidding themselves. That doesn't mean he'll reach that potential at all, but he has by far the most potential out of the QBs. Having said that, his rating is definitely too high, but you obviously hate him for rating him a 65, and the fact that you rated Locker a 75 with A potential is just ridiculous. High potential is fine for him, but right now, I'd just give him a big arm, but inaccurate and horribly inconsistent. And I don't see how you not only rate Ponder higher than Cam, but also give him an A potential while giving Cam an F.

[ConnSKINS26]

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I really hope despite his obviously low rating, that Tyrod Taylor has some serviceable tools. Looking forward to developing him behind a vet before he takes over for my Skins. Although I'll admit that he would be a great fit developing behind Vick for the Eagles.

[Madwolf]

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What talent does carolina really have, a rooie head coach, a couple bad and overate QB's,. Deangelo Williams will be gone in the next week or since the only thing left is for the players to say yes to the new agreement and he's the most sought after free agent running back available, people were even trying to trade for this guy last year so they wouldn't end up in a bidding war for him, steve smith has already demanded a trade, and teams do want him, no no running threat or passing threat when those 2 are gone. Peppers is gone no no real pass rush anymore, and a average secondary, but a very good LB core. So a rookie QB and a eookie head coach, with all there best players gone, no run or passing threats, besides Newton and Stuart, a average d-line, a good Lb core and a ok secondary, thats questionable at times is going to start to in now, NNNNNOOOOOOOO i don't see that coming. Even almost if not all the analyst think carolina will have the No 1 pick in next years draft bc there nothing great or winnable about this team, especially when your by far the worst team in your devision, where you will get sweepted by the Saints, Falcons and Bucs, so that 6 losses right there, and Newton will start slow so add atleast 2-3 more losses, honestly if they win 4 games it shouldn't be considered a bad season for them!

What talent does Carolina have?
Rookie QB Cam Newton - High potential IRL, Heisman winner
RB Deanglo Williams - Pro Bowler
RB Jonathan Stewart - Starter quality back
WR Steve Smith - Pro Bowler
WR David Gettis - Watch him, promising 2nd year player
TE Shockey - Pro Bowler
LT Jordan Gross - Pro Bowler
LG Trevell Wharton - Solid G
C Ryan Kalil - Top5 NFL C
RT Jeff Otah - Solid RT

DE Charles Johnson - Julius Peppers who?
OLB Thomas Davis - Pro Bowler
MLB Jon Beason - Pro Bowler
OLB James Anderson - Solid OLB, sought after FA
CB Chris Gamble - Top15 NFL CB

Rookie Head Coach
Who was the DC for the Bears during the Super Bowl, and for the Chargers the last few years.

D'Will is leaving
Based on? Carolina has the 2nd most money to spend in the NFL

Steve Smith demanded a trade
No, he didn't. He said if things don't change he wanted a trade. Carolina isn't going to let him out of Charlotte unless someone wants to dole out some high draft picks.

Yes, he cleaned out his locker... just like a lot of NFL players did when they got locked out.

Anything recently on this front? NOPE!

Your theory = No running, or passing threat
I'd hate to lose D'Will, but Stewart can take over with little loss in production, especially being backed up by Sutton and Goodson.

If Steve Smith is going to be traded Carolina will go out and grab a #1 WR in FA. Plus, they have one of the newest dual-threat QBs in the league. Teams are going to have to treat him closer to Mike Vick or Vince Young, opening up the passing and running game.

Most of the experts think Carolina will end up with next years #1
I watch ESPN and NFL Network all the time and haven't heard that echo'd once. A team with a 12-4 record, and an 8-8 record in 2008 and 2009 didn't fall apart simply because Jake Delhomme left town. 2010 was all about coaching, and the complete lack of it. John Fox was a lame duck coach, deal with it.

Carolina will get swept in the NFC South
I think Carolina gets swept by the Saints, but they have a chance to get wins against both the Falcons and the Bucs. Neither of those teams run an offense that will bury the Panthers.

4 wins will be considered a success
I personally don't think 4 wins is a success for Carolina. There are 5 teams on their schedule that I think are lower tier teams this year. Carolina should be able to win at least 3 of those and then sneak 3 games or so from the mid-level teams.

If Newton can take care of the ball, the ceiling could be closer to 8 wins.

[TearsOfPurple]

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Ponder didn't prove nothing in college.. IMO he was the one holding FSU back. I see no success for him in the league. He should be a 69.

Someone should slap you for how stupid this post is.

69 overall? Ponder is the most pro-ready QB in the draft by far. He ran the same type of West-Coast Offense at FSU that the Vikings will run this year. He got his master's in 2.5 years, and scored 35 on the Wonderlic (31 is what the average Chemist gets) Watch his football science video and you'll see how damn accurate Ponder is. Smart and accurate are 2 deadly combinations that few Qbs have, Drew Breese being the first I can think of. Now, I'm not trying to say "He's the next Drew Breese!" but he's just an example of how arm strength isn't everything.

Holding the team down? C'mon now. The guy is a winner. The Champs Sports Bowl, and The Chik Fil A Bowl. Both games he won. 2-0 in bowl games, and MVP of the Senior Bowl, leading the South to a win over the heavily favored North? Are you kidding me? Look at his 2009 tape before you call him out for holding the team down, he's the reason they did any good. I can't even name any of his WRs or RB.

Oh, and he was also 41 for 45 on thirds downs, and only threw 1 pick in the redzone.

In every sense of the word he is a quarterback. His teammates follow his lead, he’s a player that makes those around him better with his words and by example, and he has an infectious love of the game that cannot be taught. Whether it’s in the huddle, along the sideline, in the weight room, or organizing team activities in the off-season, there is no doubt about who the field general is.


tl;dr Haters gonna hate.

[ubernoob]

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tl;dr Haters gonna hate.

I hate the Vikings. With a passion. Although they reached here, I think they got a good QB for their team. A smart one, who won't make bone-headed plays and can take care of the ball. They still have AP, Harvin (who as much as I hate him, I want to see him healthy), etc.

If I were to pre-guess at the type of year Ponder is gonna have in the NFL I will venture a C+ / B- type season from him -- not necessarily his fault. He's not gonna win games by himself, but the team has a lot of holes. Overall a good pick-up in the draft though for Minnesota, in my opinion.

[TearsOfPurple]

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I hate the Vikings. With a passion. Although they reached here, I think they got a good QB for their team. A smart one, who won't make bone-headed plays and can take care of the ball. They still have AP, Harvin (who as much as I hate him, I want to see him healthy), etc.

If I were to pre-guess at the type of year Ponder is gonna have in the NFL I will venture a C+ / B- type season from him -- not necessarily his fault. He's not gonna win games by himself, but the team has a lot of holes. Overall a good pick-up in the draft though for Minnesota, in my opinion.

Yeah, he could be called a reach. But if you truly believe a QB is you're franchise QB: You take him. Especially when the Redskins were right around the corner and wanted to draft him also.

As for his rating: I think it's fine. I made him as a 75 in Madden '11. He's got a lot of stuff you just can't teach, and he's a great fit for the Viking's offense. His season this year? If he even starts, I'd say a B- sounds about right to me.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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What talent does Carolina have?
Rookie QB Cam Newton - High potential IRL, Heisman winner
RB Deanglo Williams - Pro Bowler
RB Jonathan Stewart - Starter quality back
WR Steve Smith - Pro Bowler
WR David Gettis - Watch him, promising 2nd year player
TE Shockey - Pro Bowler
LT Jordan Gross - Pro Bowler
LG Trevell Wharton - Solid G
C Ryan Kalil - Top5 NFL C
RT Jeff Otah - Solid RT

DE Charles Johnson - Julius Peppers who?
OLB Thomas Davis - Pro Bowler
MLB Jon Beason - Pro Bowler
OLB James Anderson - Solid OLB, sought after FA
CB Chris Gamble - Top15 NFL CB

Rookie Head Coach
Who was the DC for the Bears during the Super Bowl, and for the Chargers the last few years.

D'Will is leaving
Based on? Carolina has the 2nd most money to spend in the NFL

Steve Smith demanded a trade
No, he didn't. He said if things don't change he wanted a trade. Carolina isn't going to let him out of Charlotte unless someone wants to dole out some high draft picks.

Yes, he cleaned out his locker... just like a lot of NFL players did when they got locked out.

Anything recently on this front? NOPE!

Your theory = No running, or passing threat
I'd hate to lose D'Will, but Stewart can take over with little loss in production, especially being backed up by Sutton and Goodson.

If Steve Smith is going to be traded Carolina will go out and grab a #1 WR in FA. Plus, they have one of the newest dual-threat QBs in the league. Teams are going to have to treat him closer to Mike Vick or Vince Young, opening up the passing and running game.

Most of the experts think Carolina will end up with next years #1
I watch ESPN and NFL Network all the time and haven't heard that echo'd once. A team with a 12-4 record, and an 8-8 record in 2008 and 2009 didn't fall apart simply because Jake Delhomme left town. 2010 was all about coaching, and the complete lack of it. John Fox was a lame duck coach, deal with it.

Carolina will get swept in the NFC South
I think Carolina gets swept by the Saints, but they have a chance to get wins against both the Falcons and the Bucs. Neither of those teams run an offense that will bury the Panthers.

4 wins will be considered a success
I personally don't think 4 wins is a success for Carolina. There are 5 teams on their schedule that I think are lower tier teams this year. Carolina should be able to win at least 3 of those and then sneak 3 games or so from the mid-level teams.

If Newton can take care of the ball, the ceiling could be closer to 8 wins.

For what it's worth, they had one of the NFL analysts on ESPN First Take the other day and he said Carolina is going to be the worst team due to the fact that they have a new coach and a raw rookie QB.

[Madwolf]

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For what it's worth, they had one of the NFL analysts on ESPN First Take the other day and he said Carolina is going to be the worst team due to the fact that they have a new coach and a raw rookie QB.

Carolina could very well be the worst team in the NFL, it's very possible, but they have more talent, IMO, then a lot of the other teams on the bottom of the pile.

Teams I could see finishing worst:
Seahawks - If Hasselback leaves
Titans
49ers - Andrew Luck sweepstakes
Bengals - I say they have a 90% chance given their over-all ineptitude at all levels of the Franchise. Their HC will be extended afterwords though. Can't ruin the "good thing" they have going there.
Redskins
Vikings - All depends on how healthy AP is.
Raiders
Miami - Coaching controversy when they entered the Harbaugh sweepstakes with a HC.

I honestly don't think Carolina will finish last, they would have to lose a lot of talent through FA and trades with little return on investment, and given the amount they have to invest, I don't see that happening.

[Blazzen]

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In response to those saying Cam Newton should have "F" potential rating:

Potential is what COULD happen - it's a player's ceiling. Cam Newton has the highest ceiling of any QB, maybe any player in the draft because of his physical tools.

Will he actually harness those tools and learn the mental part of the game? That remains to be seen.

He has the POTENTIAL to be a great player, thus "A" POTENTIAL.

See how that works?

[spfhelmiii]

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In response to those saying Cam Newton should have "F" potential rating:

Potential is what COULD happen - it's a player's ceiling. Cam Newton has the highest ceiling of any QB, maybe any player in the draft because of his physical tools.

Will he actually harness those tools and learn the mental part of the game? That remains to be seen.

He has the POTENTIAL to be a great player, thus "A" POTENTIAL.

See how that works?

Agree. Newton should be something like a 63-65, with great physical attributes (ACCEL, THP, BKT) and the like and an A for potential. He should have the possibility of being a great player, which the A potential would make happen so long as you are patient and bring him along.

Conversely, guys like Mallett, Stanzi, McElroy should have higher initial stats in the QB-specific areas, but lower potential based on where they were drafted. Sorry guys, you can complain all you want, but if a guy was drafted late that means that 32 NFL teams and their scouts had solid concerns over and over until they finally thought he was worth a low pick. So I laugh at those saying Mallett is hands-down the the 3rd best QB, when NO NFL team strongly felt that way unless they decided to completely ignore "best player available" their first few round picks, since remember that solid QBs generally have a premium and are picked a bit higher than talent alone would dictate.

Then you have guys in the middle, who may be on the lower end as far as potential (since they aren't physical freaks) than the guys like Cam, but higher stats. These are the Christian Ponders and Colin Kaepernicks - while there were (and are) serious questions about the game of each coming out of college, they were taken high enough that there was some feeling that they will be successful.

So my rankings, in order of OVR (but not necessarily quality of player in franchise mode anyways) would be something like the following: Rating (Potential)

Christian Ponder - 74 (B)
Ryan Mallett - 74 (C)
Ricky Stanzi - 71 (C)
Greg McElroy - 70 (D)
Jake Locker - 70 (B)
Colin Kaepernick - 68 (B)
Cam Newton - 65 (A)

So for franchise mode, my "best" QB would be Ponder, followed closely by Locker, at least after a few years. These players are the best mix of "pro ready" and decent (but not outstanding) potential. If you stick with Cam Newton, his A potential will eventually shoot him past everyone, but it will take a while. Guys like Mallett and Stanzi will be initially better than most of the class, but won't move up much.

[angels eclipse7]

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What talent does Carolina have?
Rookie QB Cam Newton - High potential IRL, Heisman winner
RB Deanglo Williams - Pro Bowler
RB Jonathan Stewart - Starter quality back
WR Steve Smith - Pro Bowler
WR David Gettis - Watch him, promising 2nd year player
TE Shockey - Pro Bowler
LT Jordan Gross - Pro Bowler
LG Trevell Wharton - Solid G
C Ryan Kalil - Top5 NFL C
RT Jeff Otah - Solid RT

DE Charles Johnson - Julius Peppers who?
OLB Thomas Davis - Pro Bowler
MLB Jon Beason - Pro Bowler
OLB James Anderson - Solid OLB, sought after FA
CB Chris Gamble - Top15 NFL CB

Rookie Head Coach
Who was the DC for the Bears during the Super Bowl, and for the Chargers the last few years.

D'Will is leaving
Based on? Carolina has the 2nd most money to spend in the NFL

Steve Smith demanded a trade
No, he didn't. He said if things don't change he wanted a trade. Carolina isn't going to let him out of Charlotte unless someone wants to dole out some high draft picks.

Yes, he cleaned out his locker... just like a lot of NFL players did when they got locked out.

Anything recently on this front? NOPE!

Your theory = No running, or passing threat
I'd hate to lose D'Will, but Stewart can take over with little loss in production, especially being backed up by Sutton and Goodson.

If Steve Smith is going to be traded Carolina will go out and grab a #1 WR in FA. Plus, they have one of the newest dual-threat QBs in the league. Teams are going to have to treat him closer to Mike Vick or Vince Young, opening up the passing and running game.

Most of the experts think Carolina will end up with next years #1
I watch ESPN and NFL Network all the time and haven't heard that echo'd once. A team with a 12-4 record, and an 8-8 record in 2008 and 2009 didn't fall apart simply because Jake Delhomme left town. 2010 was all about coaching, and the complete lack of it. John Fox was a lame duck coach, deal with it.

Carolina will get swept in the NFC South
I think Carolina gets swept by the Saints, but they have a chance to get wins against both the Falcons and the Bucs. Neither of those teams run an offense that will bury the Panthers.

4 wins will be considered a success
I personally don't think 4 wins is a success for Carolina. There are 5 teams on their schedule that I think are lower tier teams this year. Carolina should be able to win at least 3 of those and then sneak 3 games or so from the mid-level teams.

If Newton can take care of the ball, the ceiling could be closer to 8 wins.

I actually think the Panthers might not be in the bottom 10 this year. That saying, they will likely lose D. Williams at running back. I agree, Stewart is pretty good himself and will fit in fine as a starter. But will he be the pro bowler that Williams was? I don't know. Maybe. A lot of speculation has been Steve Smith will not be a Panther next year. So he could be out of the loop too, however even if he stays, he isn't elite like he once was.

Jeremy Shockey is no where near the pro bowler he used to be. He is still a good number one tight end and the best tight end Carolina has had in a long time, but don't expect a pro bowl year out of him.

The comments about the offensive line I will give you. Gross and Kalil are pretty darn good and they play the 2 most important spots on the offensive line.

Charles Johnson is not making people say Julius Peppers who?. Julius Peppers was probably the most dominant defensive end of the last decade. Athletic freak. Charles Johnson, maybe has a 60% chance of remaining in Carolina this year, and if he does, yes he may put up pro bowl numbers again or he may have been a one year wonder. We'll see.

Carolina's linebackers are beast. Best set of 4-3 linebackers in the league, IMO. I'd love to hear if anybody can name a 4-3 defense with better linebackers.

Idunno if Gamble is a top 15 corner... maybe though.

[The GIGGAS]

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Hooboy, a 75. I like it!