Madden NFL 12 Team Ratings - AFC West (ESPN)

[trauma]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Team Ratings - AFC West (ESPN)

Uhhh no.

10 char.

Uhhh, ya. Darren McFadden was MUCH more valuable than Jackson or McNeill. If you can actually deny that, then you really have no idea what you're talking about.

[SportsTop]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Team Ratings - AFC West (ESPN)

Uhhh, ya. Darren McFadden was MUCH more valuable than Jackson or McNeill. If you can actually deny that, then you really have no idea what you're talking about.

I'm pretty sure his comment was regarding you saying the Raiders were as short-handed as the Chargers --- which is complete lunacy by the way.

Let's just take McNeill and Jackson (two pro-bowlers) argument and compare them to McFadden (who was a marginal NFL running back to that point.

You don't even have to include the Chargers losing their long-snapper that, can be argued, directly led to three losses or losing their other starting WR for an extended period of time, or their 1st round draft pick running back, and the list goes on....

[trauma]

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I'm pretty sure his comment was regarding you saying the Raiders were as short-handed as the Chargers --- which is complete lunacy by the way.

Let's just take McNeill and Jackson (two pro-bowlers) argument and compare them to McFadden (who was a marginal NFL running back to that point.

You don't even have to include the Chargers losing their long-snapper that, can be argued, directly led to three losses or losing their other starting WR for an extended period of time, or their 1st round draft pick running back, and the list goes on....

A marginal running back? He was top 5 or so in the league in terms of rushing yards at that point. McFadden was one of the top 3 most valuable players (to his team) last year. But let's name someone else who was out...Robert Gallery, the best OL on our team and a huge part of the run game. Considering McFadden is more valuable to Oakland than either Jackson or McNeill and Gallery was the best OL this team had (and was a very good guard the last two years), yes we were just as shorthanded. If you want to bring in STs, then it's not going to make a gigantic difference. McFadden being out cost us the SF game. So if SD WAS really more shorthanded, it was by a VERY small amount...not enough to use it as an excuse.

And why are you bringing up Matthews and Floyd when they both played in this game?

[letsgopens66]

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A marginal running back? He was top 5 or so in the league in terms of rushing yards at that point. McFadden was one of the top 3 most valuable players (to his team) last year. But let's name someone else who was out...Robert Gallery, the best OL on our team and a huge part of the run game. Considering McFadden is more valuable to Oakland than either Jackson or McNeill and Gallery was the best OL this team had (and was a very good guard the last two years), yes we were just as shorthanded. If you want to bring in STs, then it's not going to make a gigantic difference. McFadden being out cost us the SF game. So if SD WAS really more shorthanded, it was by a VERY small amount...not enough to use it as an excuse.

And why are you bringing up Matthews and Floyd when they both played in this game?

You're comparing a mediocre (at best) OL to a pro bowl OL. There is quite a difference

[Reggie16]

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59-14 broncoman.......59-14

[trauma]

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You're comparing a mediocre (at best) OL to a pro bowl OL. There is quite a difference

Uh, mediocre? Gallery is a very good guard. Shows how much you know. And this isn't about who's better as a PLAYER, it's who's more valuable to their team. Rivers posted 4700+ yards with a 101 rating. McNeill is valuable, but having an elite QB makes up for LT problems. Gallery, on the other hand, has been crucial to this team's running game and was really the only good OL on this team. Gallery is (was) just as valuable to Oakland's OL as McNeill was/is to SD's.

[SportsTop]

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A marginal running back? He was top 5 or so in the league in terms of rushing yards at that point. McFadden was one of the top 3 most valuable players (to his team) last year. But let's name someone else who was out...Robert Gallery, the best OL on our team and a huge part of the run game. Considering McFadden is more valuable to Oakland than either Jackson or McNeill and Gallery was the best OL this team had (and was a very good guard the last two years), yes we were just as shorthanded. If you want to bring in STs, then it's not going to make a gigantic difference. McFadden being out cost us the SF game. So if SD WAS really more shorthanded, it was by a VERY small amount...not enough to use it as an excuse.

And why are you bringing up Matthews and Floyd when they both played in this game?

Three things:

1. Whoever said this conversation was based on one game? The overall discussion is the duration of the season.

2. My comment about McFadden was his history coming into 2010 -- which was a marginal (at best) NFL running back.

3. If you want to get into a conversation about that specific game, how can you possibly argue McFadden was more valuable if the Raiders won the game and Michael Bush nearly ran for 100 yards? Again, I'd argue David Binn was probably the Chargers biggest loss of the season as their special teams showed by spotting Oakland the first 12 points of that game.

[JMD]

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The AFC West is back in the hands of the Chiefs where it belongs. I'll say it now, the Chiefs will win the division. Not a big stretch there.

[dkomarek]

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The Chargers with 3 Running Backs with 90 plus Speed.......... Ryan Mathews and Jordan Todman I can see, those guys can both fly but Mike Tolbert with 90 plus speed just doesn't seem right.

Darren Sproles Maybe?

[bkrich83]

Uh, mediocre? Gallery is a very good guard. Shows how much you know. And this isn't about who's better as a PLAYER, it's who's more valuable to their team. Rivers posted 4700+ yards with a 101 rating. McNeill is valuable, but having an elite QB makes up for LT problems. Gallery, on the other hand, has been crucial to this team's running game and was really the only good OL on this team. Gallery is (was) just as valuable to Oakland's OL as McNeill was/is to SD's.

So a guy who's an average guard is more valuable than a franchise LT?

That explains why NFL teams value LT's almost more than any position in the league. I guess that's why left tackle get drafted so high and guards don't. You think the Raiders would have taken Gallery that high if they knew they would have to move him to the guard position?

[bkrich83]

Uhhh, ya. Darren McFadden was MUCH more valuable than Jackson or McNeill. If you can actually deny that, then you really have no idea what you're talking about.

Yeah. I am the one who doesn't know what I am talking about.

[Instant C1a55ic]

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Really....? I do feel good about my team. I don't have any unrealistic expectations of where the Broncos might finish in terms of wins/loses and place in the AFCW.

The delusional average faid fan on the other hand thinks his team was a contender...Wants respect for an average season.....The AFCW is not a very strong division, and hasn't been for awhile now. They want respect for beating a really bad Broncos team. A Broncos team that hadn't been that bad in over 40 years! Oooooh... World beaters! The funny thing is that the Raiders were that bad for 8 years! 8 years! Damn! If the Broncos were that bad of a team for 8 years I might throw batteries at people at Mile High stadium too! I still wouldn't dress like I'm at a halloween party 16 weeks out of the year though... Now they get to average status and here come all the faid fans complaining about ratings. "We were undefeated in the division and we don't even get respect!". WTF man! This is BS! And blah, blah, blah! Your fast! Thats it! Thats all you get. An overachieving Chiefs team?? Really. Again not much to celebrate about. The Chargers are the team to beat this year. They've been the team to beat for a few years now. Sure they underachieved some the last year or two, and fell to the faid, but they are still a notch above the rest of the West and have the best QB in the division.

Live with it. Just like the last 9 years.....

Well said, any little ray of hope the raiders get, they latch onto it cause it might be all they get for a long time.

[Broncoman]

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59-14 broncoman.......59-14

Thats one messed up pic!


35 wins/91 losses last eight years.
0 playoff appearences
This team has sucked donkey balls most of your life.

69 wins/59 losses last eight years.
3 playoff appearances/1 W

Look I don't blame you for rubbing it in. That was like your Super Bowl. Probly the best win you've had in almost a decade. Too bad it came against such a bad team......

Yea it made me sick, but I'm a true fan. Been since the early 80's. I sat there and watched that whole game like a real fan. I was at a bar and there were two Raider fans siting at a table next to my table of five Bronco fans. After the game one of the raider fans bought us a round of beers for sitting there and watching the whole **** game..... Now that was just about the classiest thing I've ever seen from a Raider fan.....

[Broncoman]

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Well said, any little ray of hope the raiders get, they latch onto it cause it might be all they get for a long time.

Yea, and then they want the respect of a team like the Chargers who can just about hang with any team in the league. All for one 8-8 season!

I think the Broncos best Madden seasons were in 04 and 05. Stacked at almost every spot except DL. I've felt just like any fan that a few of my players got screwed over in some rating categories. Never once did I complain the last four season in which the Broncos did not finish with more than 9 wins...

[happymadison]

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Team ratings right now really does not mean much because with free agents being signed and teams losing players they will all change so putting your hope's on these rating's right now does no good.