Madden NFL 12 Ratings - Top 6 Wide Receivers

[ConnSKINS26]

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And? The notion he gets game planned for or changes defenses more than the others on the list is quite simply false.

Agreed.

And his hands are terribly inconsistent. He's afraid to go over the middle, and doesn't have the physique for it anyways. He's explosive as hell, but limited in comparison to actual top-5/10 guys.

Which is why I'll repeat that Wallace>Desean.

[angels eclipse7]

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Look at his yards per catch. He changes the way defenses play the Eagle's offense. Bubble screens, reverses, there's a lot to worry about with Jackson. I can't really say that about some of the other WRs on the list.

Good points. I think people overrate the YPC because people love big plays and all, but good points indeed. I still disagree with Jackson as a top 10 receiver though.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Greg Jennings. Really? LOL



He had more TDs than Fitz, and only 96 less yards, despite the fact that he had 21 less grabs. The only reason Austin's numbers decreased is because Kitna can't throw more than 10 yards. I am not saying Miles Austin is a top 5 WR, but he is better than you are suggesting.

For what it's worth, I'm not sure Jennings should be rated as high as he is either, but comparing Austin and Fitz and saying Austin had just about the same numbers despite the fact that Austin had Kitna throwing to him must be some sort of a joke.

Kitna was nowhere near as bad as the collection of not-talent that Arizona had throwing the ball.

I don't think Jennings = Calvin Johnson, but at the same time, I don't really care about overall ratings as much as the actual ratings.

[BlackJackRabbit]

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Agreed.

And his hands are terribly inconsistent. He's afraid to go over the middle, and doesn't have the physique for it anyways. He's explosive as hell, but limited in comparison to actual top-5/10 guys.

Which is why I'll repeat that Wallace>Desean.

I think the threat he poses in reverses and bubble screens, and what not, or that he can take a five yard reception and turn it in to a 91 yard TD makes up for him not going over the middle. None of the other receivers listed ( Johnson, Fitz, Roddy, Wayne, Jennings, or Megatron) are threats to do that.

Also, his hands aren't "terribly inconsistent." You're just reaching on that one.

[bkrich83]

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I think the threat he poses in reverses and bubble screens, and what not, or that he can take a five yard reception and turn it in to a 91 yard TD makes up for him not going over the middle. None of the other receivers listed ( Johnson, Fitz, Roddy, Wayne, Jennings, or Megatron) are threats to do that.

Also, his hands aren't "terribly inconsistent." You're just reaching on that one.

So he's reaching but saying those WR's aren't capable of turning a bubble screen or short pass in to a long gain isn't?

Ok.

[BlackJackRabbit]

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And? The notion he gets game planned for or changes defenses more than the others on the list is quite simply false.

LOL, no it isn't. defenses have to roll coverage to Jackson to try and prevent him from going over the top, and you have account for him on bubble screens, reverses, and the fact that he'll turn a slant or a hitch route into a touchdown.

And I didn't say every other receiver on the list, just some of them.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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I think the threat he poses in reverses and bubble screens, and what not, or that he can take a five yard reception and turn it in to a 91 yard TD makes up for him not going over the middle. None of the other receivers listed ( Johnson, Fitz, Roddy, Wayne, Jennings, or Megatron) are threats to do that.

Also, his hands aren't "terribly inconsistent." You're just reaching on that one.

Ok, just looking from a year to year basis, Megatron has at least 3 catches of over 70 yards. Fitz has at least one. Andre has at least two with a bunch of 50-60 yarders too. Jennings has at least 4. DeSean has at least 2. Regardless, obviously all of them are explosive. Fitz is probably the least explosive, and if I recall correctly, he still had that huge play in the Super Bowl where he caught it over the middle and was just gone for what was almost the game winning touchdown.

Regarding the inconsistent hands, Fitzgerald was #4 last year in drop percentage (meaning he had some of the best hands in the league). Andre was #15. DeSean Jackson had THE WORST DROP PERCENTAGE IN THE NFL (meaning he dropped a higher percentage of his passes than any other WR).

Looking at catch rate, here's the numbers:

Fitzgerald: 52%
Jennings: 61%
Roddy White: 64%
Andre Johnson: 63%
Megatron: 57%
DeSean Jackson: 49%

Again, the worst percentage of all those guys, and looking at the list, here's the guys that are below 50% like DeSean:
Malcolm Floyd
Nate Washington
Randy Moss
Jacoby Ford
Mohammad Massaquoi
Lee Evans
Brandon LeFell
H. Douglas (ATL)
Jerricho Cotchery
Darius Heyward-Bey
Early Doucet
Laurent Robinson
Steve Smith (Carolina)

And the only guys from that list that are in both the bottom 10 in drop percentage and below 50% in catch percentage are: DeSean (dead last), Steve Smith (2nd worst), and Jerricho Cotchery (3rd worst).

The year prior, DeSean was at 53% catch percentage, and from 2008-2010, DeSean's drop percentage is 5th worst in the NFL, ahead of Braylon (widely known for his drops), Dwayne Bowe (same), T.O. (same), and Randy Moss (same). They're all good receivers, but they all seem to be big fans of butterfingers (or in Moss's case, just not giving a damn half the time).

[ConnSKINS26]

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I think the threat he poses in reverses and bubble screens, and what not, or that he can take a five yard reception and turn it in to a 91 yard TD makes up for him not going over the middle. None of the other receivers listed ( Johnson, Fitz, Roddy, Wayne, Jennings, or Megatron) are threats to do that.

Also, his hands aren't "terribly inconsistent." You're just reaching on that one.

I'm not reaching, it's a fact. He had the highest drop rate in the NFL last year, at 20%.

And if you want to see a "big play" receiver, I'll tell you again to go look up Mike Wallace. In his 2nd year he was already what DJax fans wish he could be, and pretend that he is.

[bkrich83]

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LOL, no it isn't. defenses have to roll coverage to Jackson to try and prevent him from going over the top, and you have account for him on bubble screens, reverses, and the fact that he'll turn a slant or a hitch route into a touchdown.

And I didn't say every other receiver on the list, just some of them.

Yeah, and with that, enough said. Everyone thinks they know coverages and how teams play individual players. Off to ignore.

I guess his being that explosive explains why he averages a whopping 6.6 TD's a year over his career. that's receiving and rushing.

He's explosive and he's a fine player, but let's try to keep the gross overrating and overstating of things under control.

[at23steelers]

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@YeahthatGuy: Are you sure Fitzy's is only 52%. How would his be 4th best and Desean's the worst at 49%?

[bkrich83]

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@YeahthatGuy: Are you sure Fitzy's is only 52%. How would his be 4th best and Desean's the worst at 49%?

Fitz's catch rate was 52%.. But he only had 4 drops in 173 targets. Which tells me that's more on the Arizona QB's.

DeSean Jackson for example was 49% but he had 6 drops in just 90 targets.

Djax is a playmaker, and he's a home run threat, but he's not a Top tier all around WR. He's simply not. Plus he's like he was at Cal, hit him a few times, and he's done for the day.

[ConnSKINS26]

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@YeahthatGuy: Are you sure Fitzy's is only 52%. How would his be 4th best and Desean's the worst at 49%?

Those percentages are CATCH RATE. Fitz is 4th best in drop rate. Two totally different statistics.

For instance, Desean has a 49% catch rate, which is bad, but a 20% drop rate, which is abysmal. Fitz catch rate for 2010 was low at 52% because he was showered with targets from terrible QB's.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Fitz's catch rate was 52%.. But he only had 4 drops in 173 targets. Which tells me that's more on the Arizona QB's.

DeSean Jackson for example was 49% but he had 6 drops in just 90 targets.

Djax is a playmaker, and he's a home run threat, but he's not a Top tier all around WR. He's simply not. Plus he's like he was at Cal, hit him a few times, and he's done for the day.

Those percentages are CATCH RATE. Fitz is 4th best in drop rate. Two totally different statistics.

For instance, Desean has a 49% catch rate, which is bad, but a 20% drop rate, which is abysmal. Fitz catch rate for 2010 was low at 52% because he was showered with targets from terrible QB's.

You guys seem to have this under control lol

[at23steelers]

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Those percentages are CATCH RATE. Fitz is 4th best in drop rate. Two totally different statistics.

For instance, Desean has a 49% catch rate, which is bad, but a 20% drop rate, which is abysmal. Fitz catch rate for 2010 was low at 52% because he was showered with targets from terrible QB's.

So, catch rate is how many catches out of how many were passes were thrown his way? Drop rate is based on the # of drops compared to how many catches they have?

Btw, Mike Wallace still has a long way to go, but last year started to show a willing to run shorter routes in the middle of the field. Mike Tomlin doesn't call him a one trick pony anymore!! I would rate him and Desean Jackson around an 88 overall. Maybe, an 89 to Mike and an 88 to Desean, but very close.

Compared to Santonio Holmes, Mike Wallace has the better hands while Holmes is the better route runner. I would think an 88-90 overall to Holmes is fair.

[illwill10]

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Djax is a playmaker, and he's a home run threat, but he's not a Top tier all around WR. He's simply not. Plus he's like he was at Cal, hit him a few times, and he's done for the day.

I 100% agree
I think if Maclin reaches his full potential than he could be a better WR than Jackson. Jackson is more of a 3-5(maybe 6) catch per game than a 6-10 catch guy, but he will AVG more than 18 yards per catch.In a WCO where alot of the passes are quick, unless he gets off the line/get open quickly he wont get the ball alot. He is not the type too make alot of tough catches in traffic or get off line off of great press CB. I seen alot of Eagles games where he might of had a few big plays, but most of the game he would disappear. He doesnt dominate an entire game. He would get a "No High Motor" trait