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  • ambizytl
    Banned
    • Feb 2011
    • 549

    #1

    Fatigue is not true

    I was suspicious the game doesn't make seeing the CPU players energy levels easy to see. Someone told me the method by which you can do that. What I found makes me very disappointed. I started a series against the Dodgers after we both had a day off. All our players had full energy. After the first game, the CPU players, best ones like Kemp, Ethier, Loney, and Blake all still had full energy after playing that first game. All my guys had a reduction in energy. There is no way that should happen, Whether it's bad programming or just plain cheating, I don't know, but I do know Fatigue is not handled right for CPU players. Someone posted and asked if the CPU ever substituted its players because he always saw the CPU's best players play against him. Well, if he's reading this, you have the answer.
  • Blzer
    Resident film pundit
    • Mar 2004
    • 42543

    #2
    Re: Fatigue is not true

    Are you sure they didn't just have good fatigue ratings? Do you think playing on the road might be a factor? (were you in Los Angeles?)
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    • Knight165
      *ll St*r
      • Feb 2003
      • 24986

      #3
      Re: Fatigue is not true

      Originally posted by ambizytl
      I was suspicious the game doesn't make seeing the CPU players energy levels easy to see. Someone told me the method by which you can do that. What I found makes me very disappointed. I started a series against the Dodgers after we both had a day off. All our players had full energy. After the first game, the CPU players, best ones like Kemp, Ethier, Loney, and Blake all still had full energy after playing that first game. All my guys had a reduction in energy. There is no way that should happen, Whether it's bad programming or just plain cheating, I don't know, but I do know Fatigue is not handled right for CPU players. Someone posted and asked if the CPU ever substituted its players because he always saw the CPU's best players play against him. Well, if he's reading this, you have the answer.
      How did you finally see the CPU fatigue bars?

      M.K.
      Knight165
      All gave some. Some gave all. 343

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      • steelersfan77
        Banned
        • Sep 2009
        • 486

        #4
        Re: Fatigue is not true

        Originally posted by ambizytl
        I was suspicious the game doesn't make seeing the CPU players energy levels easy to see. Someone told me the method by which you can do that. What I found makes me very disappointed. I started a series against the Dodgers after we both had a day off. All our players had full energy. After the first game, the CPU players, best ones like Kemp, Ethier, Loney, and Blake all still had full energy after playing that first game. All my guys had a reduction in energy. There is no way that should happen, Whether it's bad programming or just plain cheating, I don't know, but I do know Fatigue is not handled right for CPU players. Someone posted and asked if the CPU ever substituted its players because he always saw the CPU's best players play against him. Well, if he's reading this, you have the answer.
        Really? Before I started my franchise (using Knight's rosters) I went and raised every players fatigue rating up, at least the players that IMO were everyday players. And as far as results it has seemed to work. Only when I play mutiple series in a row without a day of rest do I see players on my team showing signs of needing a day off. Much like the real majors.

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        • Black59Razr
          Pro
          • Jul 2007
          • 561

          #5
          Re: Fatigue is not true

          Originally posted by ambizytl
          I was suspicious the game doesn't make seeing the CPU players energy levels easy to see. Someone told me the method by which you can do that. What I found makes me very disappointed. I started a series against the Dodgers after we both had a day off. All our players had full energy. After the first game, the CPU players, best ones like Kemp, Ethier, Loney, and Blake all still had full energy after playing that first game. All my guys had a reduction in energy. There is no way that should happen, Whether it's bad programming or just plain cheating, I don't know, but I do know Fatigue is not handled right for CPU players. Someone posted and asked if the CPU ever substituted its players because he always saw the CPU's best players play against him. Well, if he's reading this, you have the answer.
          Originally posted by Knight165
          How did you finally see the CPU fatigue bars?

          M.K.
          Knight165
          Ya, tell us how you saw it so we can test this out too. I assume those top Dodger players recovered so quickly because they have high durability; that is what I have seen in the past. But there is no way to tell unless you test it much better.
          Originally posted by banned member
          My [RTTS] goals are to improve my bunting and drag bunting. You stupid !@#$, I'm almost leading the league in bombs; !@#$ you!

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          • ParkertheSchmitt
            Rookie
            • Apr 2011
            • 37

            #6
            Re: Fatigue is not true

            I just checked the Blue Jays roster and after every game they had guys becoming more fatigued. In the final game of the series Jose Bautista even needed a day off. I saw the CPU's fatigue by just playing as them and going to the lineup and checking each player. Then I would back out and play against them with my Twins.
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            • Black59Razr
              Pro
              • Jul 2007
              • 561

              #7
              Re: Fatigue is not true

              Originally posted by ParkertheSchmitt
              I just checked the Blue Jays roster and after every game they had guys becoming more fatigued. In the final game of the series Jose Bautista even needed a day off. I saw the CPU's fatigue by just playing as them and going to the lineup and checking each player. Then I would back out and play against them with my Twins.
              So, how did you know Bautista played with full engergy?
              Originally posted by banned member
              My [RTTS] goals are to improve my bunting and drag bunting. You stupid !@#$, I'm almost leading the league in bombs; !@#$ you!

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              • Knight165
                *ll St*r
                • Feb 2003
                • 24986

                #8
                Re: Fatigue is not true

                Well...it doesn't matter, because he's incorrect either way.
                The reason I asked how he checked the fatigue was.....someone suggested to him that at the lineup screen he put the controller to the other team and he would see the green bars(even though you can still see them through the "READY" screen as the opposition anyway.)
                But you see....once he did that, it was no longer a CPU controlled team, but a HUMAN controlled team, so the fatigue was displaying not as a CPU team on that screen...but as if it was a HUMAN controlled team.(if it really mattered as was put forth...but it does not...just pointing out an error in his test if this was how he checked)
                However, it doesn't make a difference, because it would be the same either way. There is not special fatigue boost for CPU controlled teams.
                All you would have to do is start a franchise controlling one team...
                Go to game 1 on the schedule and play vs. the Dodgers...everyone is full...then go to game 2 and you will see fatigue(even Kemp and Ethier...but just a note...their durability is 97 and 98 respectively) and you would just have to play the games vs. the Dodgers(whoever is playing them).
                I'm sure you'd see Kemp and Ethier eventually get subbed for fatigue...even at 97 and 98.
                Now....start the franchise again....this time before game 1 put the durability of Kemp and Eithier at 10. Go to game 1 and play(sim if you like)...you will notice a bigger drop in their green bar this time. By game 4 of the season, the CPU will sub for them.

                M.K.
                Knight165
                All gave some. Some gave all. 343

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                • Black59Razr
                  Pro
                  • Jul 2007
                  • 561

                  #9
                  Re: Fatigue is not true

                  Originally posted by banned member
                  My [RTTS] goals are to improve my bunting and drag bunting. You stupid !@#$, I'm almost leading the league in bombs; !@#$ you!

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                  • ambizytl
                    Banned
                    • Feb 2011
                    • 549

                    #10
                    Re: Fatigue is not true

                    Originally posted by Blzer
                    Are you sure they didn't just have good fatigue ratings? Do you think playing on the road might be a factor? (were you in Los Angeles?)
                    I was playing against Dodgers on the road. Yes, I am absolutely certain fatigue ratings have nothing to do with it--my players have higher durability ratings than the CPU players that did not lose any energy. How can 6 of the CPU players play a game and not lose any energy? How can all my players who played lose energy while CPU players with less durability ratings don't?

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                    • ambizytl
                      Banned
                      • Feb 2011
                      • 549

                      #11
                      Re: Fatigue is not true

                      Originally posted by Knight165
                      Well...it doesn't matter, because he's incorrect either way.
                      The reason I asked how he checked the fatigue was.....someone suggested to him that at the lineup screen he put the controller to the other team and he would see the green bars(even though you can still see them through the "READY" screen as the opposition anyway.)
                      But you see....once he did that, it was no longer a CPU controlled team, but a HUMAN controlled team, so the fatigue was displaying not as a CPU team on that screen...but as if it was a HUMAN controlled team.(if it really mattered as was put forth...but it does not...just pointing out an error in his test if this was how he checked)
                      However, it doesn't make a difference, because it would be the same either way. There is not special fatigue boost for CPU controlled teams.
                      All you would have to do is start a franchise controlling one team...
                      Go to game 1 on the schedule and play vs. the Dodgers...everyone is full...then go to game 2 and you will see fatigue(even Kemp and Ethier...but just a note...their durability is 97 and 98 respectively) and you would just have to play the games vs. the Dodgers(whoever is playing them).
                      I'm sure you'd see Kemp and Ethier eventually get subbed for fatigue...even at 97 and 98.
                      Now....start the franchise again....this time before game 1 put the durability of Kemp and Eithier at 10. Go to game 1 and play(sim if you like)...you will notice a bigger drop in their green bar this time. By game 4 of the season, the CPU will sub for them.

                      M.K.
                      Knight165
                      I have Pujols with 98 durability and he lost energy, so what has the rating to do with it?

                      By the way, I checked it as you said and the energy bars are decided before I select the team. The AI knows who my favorite team is and whose games I always play. Loney does not have better energy rating than Pujols!
                      Last edited by ambizytl; 08-06-2011, 09:20 AM.

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                      • Based Doc
                        Rookie
                        • Aug 2011
                        • 51

                        #12
                        Re: Fatigue is not true

                        Originally posted by ambizytl
                        I have Pujols with 98 durability and he lost energy, so what has the rating to do with it?

                        By the way, I checked it as you said and the energy bars are decided before I select the team. The AI knows who my favorite team is and whose games I always play. Loney does not have better energy rating than Pujols!
                        I'm not sure if the game takes this into account, but it could simply be that Pujols was used more defensively (more groundouts to 1st?) for some reason and that's why he's more tired. Dunno if The Show calculates this like an outfielder being more tired if he had to run down lots of fly balls.

                        I know that catchers do have a position impact on their fatigue, it's impossible to play them everyday.

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                        • ambizytl
                          Banned
                          • Feb 2011
                          • 549

                          #13
                          Re: Fatigue is not true

                          Originally posted by Based Doc
                          I'm not sure if the game takes this into account, but it could simply be that Pujols was used more defensively (more groundouts to 1st?) for some reason and that's why he's more tired. Dunno if The Show calculates this like an outfielder being more tired if he had to run down lots of fly balls.

                          I know that catchers do have a position impact on their fatigue, it's impossible to play them everyday.
                          As far as outfielders being more tired if they had to run down....the other team had to run down more of those outs. Pujols was not used more than Loney. I was not figuring in catchers. The real killer is I checked the durability ratings for those Dodgers and what I saw made even less sense: Jamey Carroll did not lose any energy, kept a full bar, and his durability is like 68-69.

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                          • Knight165
                            *ll St*r
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 24986

                            #14
                            Re: Fatigue is not true

                            Send me this franchise file.
                            Thanks.

                            M.K.
                            Knight165
                            All gave some. Some gave all. 343

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                            • ambizytl
                              Banned
                              • Feb 2011
                              • 549

                              #15
                              Re: Fatigue is not true

                              Originally posted by Knight165
                              Send me this franchise file.
                              Thanks.

                              M.K.
                              Knight165
                              What in heavens name for? What I saw was as clear as a bright sunny day.

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