Madden NFL 12 Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here (360, PS3)

[brettmickey]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here (360, PS3)

I'm so glad I don't see all of the problems that some on here do or else nothing would be good enough for me. It seems like some people (the minority, but still) watch replay after replay to find little issues with the gameplay that isn't obvious otherwise and then say screw it this game still sucks where is 2k and so on and so forth. If some of you do have high standards and stick by them then I respect that it's your decision but it just seems like we could all just loosen our ties for a little bit and just enjoy some football. Just trying to keep things positive haha

[Franchise408]

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I've been fairly vocal about my concerns for Madden, and my preference of 2K over Madden.

After playing the demo, I have to admit, the game seems to be at least a start in the right direction.

Last year, I played the demo on All-Madden, and it was freaking bonkers, and frustrating. The game turned out to maybe be my most hated football game ever.

This year, I played the demo on All-Madden, and it seemed like the AI wasn't horrible. I noticed one play where Matt Forte (CPU) broke some tackles he maybe shouldn't have, but it resulted in like a 12 yard gain, not a broken *** 87 yard TD.

Although, my ******* quit and restarted after the 1st quarter. It seems like the demo is a full 4 quarters??? Haha, oops.

I'm gonna go get on the Box right now and give it another run. After playing the demo, I'm not nearly as fearful about this year's game. Obviously, it's a demo, and it's not gonna be 100% what we get at the end of the month, but if what I'm seeing from the demo is any indication of what's to come, I'm going to have a highly enjoyable franchise mode this year.

[mkita24]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here (360, PS3)

The only thing that bothers me is the cut scenes after picking a play. Gives you no time to adjust anything at the line...

[inkcil]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here (360, PS3)

If I put a game on CPU vs CPU, I see a lot of un NFL like things go on. Including some unrealistic stats. O-Lineman standing around and letting a D-lineman by w/o touching the D-Lineman. In the Demo, I had 3 0-lineman not block anybody while one DLman went right past them.

Another Demo game I wanted to see how well the CPU players played and two Bears receives had over 50 yards PER RECEPTION.

For grins I did that spectator mode on both All Pro and All Madden and watched for a while. Bad things happened. Now I can only control one of those players at a time to try and make that one player play better.

But really, a CPU vs CPU (or in the demo it's called spectator) should result in good/smart football that produces realistic results. And it did not. Now I haven't messed with sliders in the demo much at all. But may things I see are things I've seen in previous Maddens that I've had a hard time trying to get realistic results.

The game is more arcade than sim. Much of the OS staff that reviewed the Demo thinks the same thing (if you have read the OS Staff impressions thread).

I'm in agreement with you. When you make the game play CPU vs. CPU, you get to see the true colors of the AI, or the game in its "natural" state.

[vision]

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Just skimming through this thread, which has gotten considerably bigger in the last few days.. so excuse me if this hasn't been discussed.

You guys do know that if you adjust one little thing in sliders, it defaults to rookie right? Those of you who think you've adjusted and tweaked the game to your liking on All pro or All Madden are actually playing on ROOKIE setting.

To prove it.. all you need to do is change any little thing by one increment in sliders. The game will get considerably easier across the board.

I was almost fooled into thinking All Pro was giving me a decent football experience after adjusting my sliders. But they are simply broken. Why even include them in the demo?

After a day of playing on All Pro, no slider adjustments.. the game is a rental at best for me. The programming in this game is beyond reproach. I really dislike being cheated to death by the same stuff every year.. i.e. psychic dbs, super lbs. The works. This garbage is still in the game.

[PolkHigh33]

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Just skimming through this thread, which has gotten considerably bigger in the last few days.. so excuse me if this hasn't been discussed.

You guys do know that if you adjust one little thing in sliders, it defaults to rookie right? Those of you who think you've adjusted and tweaked the game to your liking on All pro or All Madden are actually playing on ROOKIE setting.

To prove it.. all you need to do is change any little thing by one increment in sliders. The game will get considerably easier across the board.

I was almost fooled into thinking All Pro was giving me a decent football experience after adjusting my sliders. But they are simply broken. Why even include them in the demo?

After a day of playing on All Pro, no slider adjustments.. the game is a rental at best for me. The programming in this game is beyond reproach. I really dislike being cheated to death by the same stuff every year.. i.e. psychic dbs, super lbs. The works. This garbage is still in the game.

I've never understood why people put All-Pro sliders or All-Madden sliders ..

Rookie, Pro, All-Pro and All-Madden are just bases .. put it on Rookie, then adjust sliders to match All-Madden .. you're now playing all madden .. not a harder 'rookie' ..

Once you've tampered with sliders you're now technically on Custom ..

[RememberMe12]

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I've never understood why people put All-Pro sliders or All-Madden sliders ..

Rookie, Pro, All-Pro and All-Madden are just bases .. put it on Rookie, then adjust sliders to match All-Madden .. you're now playing all madden .. not a harder 'rookie' ..

Once you've tampered with sliders you're now technically on Custom ..

IDK man. All due respect I have moved the sliders up and the difficulty has still stayed on rookie in the demo. Haven't played a game like that though.

[PolkHigh33]

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IDK man. All due respect I have moved the sliders up and the difficulty has still stayed on rookie in the demo. Haven't played a game like that though.

Next time you're in the demo change Rookie to Pro and see the slider changes .. your bases are ..

Rookie
Player: 100
CPU: 50

Pro
Player: 75
CPU: 50

All-Pro
Player: 50
CPU: 50

All-Madden
Player: 25
CPU: 50

If you put it to Rookie and then change the sliders to be like All-Madden, you're playing on All-Madden difficulty ..

Once sliders are adjusted you're into Custom difficulty (Sliders that don't match any of the bases).

And the sliders do work ..

[vision]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here (360, PS3)

Next time you're in the demo change Rookie to Pro and see the slider changes .. your bases are ..

Rookie
Player: 100
CPU: 50

Pro
Player: 75
CPU: 50

All-Pro
Player: 50
CPU: 50

All-Madden
Player: 25
CPU: 50

If you put it to Rookie and then change the sliders to be like All-Madden, you're playing on All-Madden difficulty ..

Once sliders are adjusted you're into Custom difficulty (Sliders that don't match any of the bases).

And the sliders do work ..

My understanding was that sliders only changed certain things. Difficulty settings were supposed to inherently effect cpu awareness, regardless of the slider settings.

My point is, if I can't get a fair game of football on ALL Pro, what's the point of playing the game? I'll try Rookie and work my way up on this demo. But there is no reason why it shouldn't work the other way. It's misleading, and it's not the users fault.

[hampshire2012]

My biggest gripe is that I find the passing game too random. On NCAA (Heisman default), if my receiver beats the corner and I throw an accurate pass, it's complete 99/100 (the 1 being the odd bit of unrealistic warping etc), and if he's covered it's complete about 1/100 times.

In madden, it just feels like the coverage has no relation to whether I'll complete the pass. There seems an equal chance I'll complete the pass if he's covered or not. If he's covered, sometimes the corner just ignores the receiver, and if he's not covered the corner often warps to make a play. Whether it's placebo or not (and I admit it's possible), I don't find it fun.

That said, I'll probably still buy madden regardless, DPP and offline franchise improvements should be the real deal.

[Cryolemon]

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One gripe I have after playing exactly one game of the demo (on default settings) is that the "lob" type passes seem to go far too high in the air. Maybe this is to counter the LBs with super jumps, but it looks a bit funky. What it also does is give the DBs time to get two or three players around the WR even if he was 1-on-1 to start with.

Added to the above is the fact that there is still a lot of times when the ball hits a handful of players before hitting the floor, and seems to bounce around a bit too much.

I'm not a massive fan of the playbooks either. There were't any wildcat plays for the Bears (and I doubt there are for the Packers), so I don't know if that will be intentional broken again.

There are some pretty cool things though. For one seeing passes that are actually over or under thrown is quite cool (even if the one time I had a chance at an INT in the game I played, on an underthrown ball, my defender dropped it). I like the intros. The tackling animations look better than in previous Maddens too.

[Roncatto]

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I personally think the game is incredible compared to previous years.


Last night I blitz manually with Urlacher, ran straight through the line of scrimmage, before grant came through and smashed low and straight, flipping me over and onto the ground, allowing rodgers time to throw.

Just thought it was a lovley sequence and realistic.

At the momment for my skill level, offense i think All-madden but defense is definatly needed to be on all pro. STRUGLLING lol.

Going to muck about with sliders later

[Johns Jets]

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I think with Madden these days there's always going to be an issue with the whole "suspension of disbelief" thing and it's whether or not you're willing to let some things go or not.

Don't get me wrong, I totally get why people are complaining about the psychic DBs and LBs etc and they're right to demand better but at the same time I feel like if these things weren't there the offense would be too easy. I know that shouldn't be the case and it should work differently but if we have to have the LB/DB issues to make the defense effective then I'm willing to accept that until a solution comes along.

That's just me of course and I totally get why others won't do this but let me give an example;

I think it was last years game that I was messing around a lot with Playmakers and others sliders and one of the issues that he was trying to address was the psychic DBs which were really annoying me as they just looked so ridiculous. I think he came up with a few sets that did address the problem but unfortunately I found that this made it too easy to complete passes, it's a vicious circle.

In the end, as with most years, I just went back to the default Al-Pro sliders. I think EA have said before that these are the level they sort of recommend for fairness etc and normally they end up pretty good once all the patching has been done.

I know it's not for everyone but life's just too short to spend weeks fine tuning everything, especially as I mostly play local 2 player games.

As for this years game, I think it's the best yet despite the myriad issues that will always be there. I like a really defensive low scoring battle in the style of a Steelers/Ravens game but for every one of me there's someone who wants to hit long bombs and rack up the score. This seems like the happiest medium so far.

I like the little details I've seen like guys jumping up and signifying they were "facemasked" and pointing at the guilty party and who'd have thought making the pylons fly about would add so much drama? It doesn't mean a huge amount to me but it's nice that those things are there.

I too loved 2K5 and would agree that it's probably still the better game in terms of gameplay but that had it's issues too, I remember hitting fade and corner routes on that seemed like money plays a lot of the time. What I will say is that every Madden since has seemed obviously inferior in terms of gameplay to me but I'm not so sure this year which can only be a good thing.

[Armor and Sword]

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As a 20 year veteran of the series I keep leaping for joy about this years game.


It feels brand new. I can't put my finger on it, but it finally feels next gen.

[fearme504]

IDK man. All due respect I have moved the sliders up and the difficulty has still stayed on rookie in the demo. Haven't played a game like that though.

The physical apperance of the difficuty changes to rookie yes, but if you look at the sliders they are all set to all-madden sliders so in reality the difficulty does not change

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