Madden NFL 12 Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here (360, PS3)

[Johns Jets]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here (360, PS3)

Madden 12 was the last game in the Phil Frazier & Ian Cummings era, this was the last year of Ian's 3 year plan. Next year will be the first Madden made with Cam Weber the new GM of EA Football games. He is a former college QB and a diehard football guy. The first thing he did when he came to the team was he doubled the size of the Gameplay team. He is a true hardcore sim football guy and I expect to see more gameplay improvements in Madden 13 than we did the last five years combined. He was on the EA Canada team and helped develop FIFA and Fight Night games. In his interview back in April one of the first things he mentions is working on realistic player movements pre play, during, and post play. I'm very excited about the future of Madden and NCAA for that matter with Cam Weber in charge. Mike Young is also the Creative Director now replacing Ian Cummings and he is a presentation animal, so expect to see much improved commentary(new commentary engine starting with Madden 13) and very soon also new halftime, post game, and weekly franchise studio shows. Madden 12 is going to be really good, but I think these new games with Cam as GM will blow it out of the water.

Sounds great, except when the new consoles come out in another year or two and we're back to square one again...

[goh]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here (360, PS3)

Is PI not enabled in the demo? Yeesh. Even at 100 it isn't called. That was ridiculous.
Otherwise decent.

[jpdavis82]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here (360, PS3)

For those wondering if the demo feels different than the full game.

Jpdavis1982
@Luger33, @Jstein2469
A simple yes or no, I understand the embargo till 8/26 does the game feel different than the demo?


Luger33(EA Gamechanger)
@jpdavis1982 It does. I could list specific things I've noticed already but cant due to NDA - def different though

JStein2469
Yes, IMO.

[sabastiane]

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Playing as Chicago, Green Bay kicked a 50+ yards early in the game. At the end of the first half the Packers had the ball within field goal range. There was 15 seconds left and the clock running the Packers ran a run play that ran the clock out. They had one timeout remaining and the field goal would of been about 40 yards. There wasn't really any wind either.

[Johns Jets]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here (360, PS3)

For those wondering if the demo feels different than the full game.

Jpdavis1982
@Luger33, @Jstein2469
A simple yes or no, I understand the embargo till 8/26 does the game feel different than the demo?


Luger33(EA Gamechanger)
@jpdavis1982 It does. I could list specific things I've noticed already but cant due to NDA - def different though

JStein2469
Yes, IMO.

I liked the demo but hopefully in this case different = better, not worse...

[Spanky]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here (360, PS3)

Sounds great, except when the new consoles come out in another year or two and we're back to square one again...

Exactly. I love how some people get all geeked over a change in development teams, thinking this is going to be revolutionary. And it ends up being the start of yet another 3-year cycle that ends with more changes and a new 3-year cycle, that ends with more changes and a new 3-year cycle, that ends with more changes ...

[ezio]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here (360, PS3)

Is PI not enabled in the demo? Yeesh. Even at 100 it isn't called. That was ridiculous.
Otherwise decent.

I personally don't think your going to see PI even in the retail version. I have it at 100 in NCAA and it is non existent there too.

[jpdavis82]

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Exactly. I love how some people get all geeked over a change in development teams, thinking this is going to be revolutionary. And it ends up being the start of yet another 3-year cycle that ends with more changes and a new 3-year cycle, that ends with more changes and a new 3-year cycle, that ends with more changes ...

Well when the guy is a hardcore football sim first kinda guy and has a proven track record with FIFA and Fight Night and is a former college football QB himself, what do you expect us to do? It's not like it's impossible for EA to put out good NFL football games, it's just that they haven't been able to do it very well with this gen systems. The old gen system Madden's were pretty awesome. If you read the interview with Cam Weber he talks about how this will be a continuous development and not starting over after every 3 years. He wants to have each game develop with the concept that each game will build upon the next, he uses FIFA as the example for how he wants development to work. Each year they will implement new changes in the core gameplay to keep improving year after year along with continuously improving game modes like Franchise,Superstar,etc.. which FIFA is doing and it's worked well for them. He doesn't want there to be gimmicky features in the game one year and then they remove it the next, but rather each new feature introduced each year helps to improve the next years game.

[TMJOHNS18]

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Is there a slider i can change that make players feel like they have some weight to them?

it's called NFL 2k.. wait... not for Madden...

[Mr_Riddick]

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Some of the player models need to be re-done, the heads are too BIG..

[mike24forever]

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it's called NFL 2k.. wait... not for Madden...

Troll!!!!!

[TheSportzGuru]

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it's called NFL 2k.. wait... not for Madden...

Yea troll...

[Johns Jets]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here (360, PS3)

Well when the guy is a hardcore football sim first kinda guy and has a proven track record with FIFA and Fight Night and is a former college football QB himself, what do you expect us to do? It's not like it's impossible for EA to put out good NFL football games, it's just that they haven't been able to do it very well with this gen systems. The old gen system Madden's were pretty awesome. If you read the interview with Cam Weber he talks about how this will be a continuous development and not starting over after every 3 years. He wants to have each game develop with the concept that each game will build upon the next, he uses FIFA as the example for how he wants development to work. Each year they will implement new changes in the core gameplay to keep improving year after year along with continuously improving game modes like Franchise,Superstar,etc.. which FIFA is doing and it's worked well for them. He doesn't want there to be gimmicky features in the game one year and then they remove it the next, but rather each new feature introduced each year helps to improve the next years game.

I like your enthusiasm and I hope you're right, I really do. But this whole "3 year" thing is the EA business model. Let's suppose this guy does come in and make a great game, that's fine but it will never be perfect. What would be the incentive to buy next years? What EA should realise, and hopefully they will one day, is that if they make the perfect Madden which I do think they're capable of given time. I mean really just the perfect American Football game with all the features and rules and everything working perfectly, then they could just release a $20 DLC thing for it each year to update rosters and rules etc where necessary. $20 obviously isn't the $60 they get right now, but they wouldn't need to spend so much on development ever year, it would just be clear profit.

I think Madden will/would get better once we move to a digital subscription model (which EA clearly wants to do). Imagine just paying some kind of fee per year and your Madden game would be continually updated and tweaked as and when improvements were made rather than a whole dev cycle every year, it would be a big ongoing project and they'd make their money through people subscribing to it.

[tril]

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Is there a slider i can change that make players feel like they have some weight to them?

IMO, the players do feel like they have more weight this year, compared to previous verisons of Madden.

a few things I noticed abou the demo.

in 2 different games I had situations where it would be 2nd and 8, 3rd and 8, Id throw a pass towards the side lines, and the player would catch the ball, the refs would rule it a catch (they show the close up animation where the ref says its a catch) then when I go back to the huddle it would be 3rd and 11 or 4th and eleven. even though the catch was made close to the first down marker.

running backs hitting the hole seems off. its like they get an automatic 3 yards as soon as they hit the line of scrimmage. its like the rb gets thrusted forward by soem forcefield or something. doesnt happen everytime but happens enough.

[greenegt]

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All-Pro is kicking my butt, which is great. I believe I'm 0-4 at this point. I also gave the improved GameFlow a whirl and I'm liking it. It helps me diversify my play calling a little more and I can always use the full playbook when I want to. I'll definitely be utilizing it when I get the retail version.