Madden NFL 12 Player Ratings - Seattle Seahawks and St. Louis Rams

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Serious question:

Why was Matt Ryan not considered overrated entering his second season when EA gave him an 85 as well. It seems that 85 is the magic number for EA when doling out ratings to second year quarterbacks who had 'good' rookie seasons. The thing is, Ryan had much more talent surrounding him. Maybe I just don't remember people hammering EA for Ryan's rating. Statistically, Ryan was better, but the talent disparities can't be ignored.

I might see a Mizzou fan in here who just has an axe to grind with a former OU QB...

(just kidding, Deuce)

[SoonerSports]

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Serious question:

Why was Matt Ryan not considered overrated entering his second season when EA gave him an 85 as well. It seems that 85 is the magic number for EA when doling out ratings to second year quarterbacks who had 'good' rookie seasons. The thing is, Ryan had much more talent surrounding him. Maybe I just don't remember people hammering EA for Ryan's rating. Statistically, Ryan was better, but the talent disparities can't be ignored.

I might see a Mizzou fan in here who just has an axe to grind with a former OU QB...

(just kidding, Deuce)

Well Bradford did always kick Mizzou's a$$

[DeuceDouglas]

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I love Matt, Bradford is a much better QB than him right now.

If I was to pick a QB that I had to go into a must-win game with right now I would take Hasselbeck. Obviously if I were building for the future I would take Bradford simply based on age and potential. To compare Tarvaris Jackson with Kevin Kolb and Matthew Stafford is an insult to them both. They've atleast proven they can run an offense in the time they've had to show it.

Maybe it's the Rams playcalling that's clouding my perception of him, I don't know. Maybe it's the fact that the Rams leading receiver was Danny Amendola. I still don't know but for me, the jury's still out on Bradford.

The Seahawks were at home, and a playoff spot was on the line, and Qwest was rocking. All things considered, Bradford was pretty decent. I came away impressed with him, as did thousands of Seahawks fans as well.

Just out of curiosity, did you happen to be at the Chiefs-Seahawks game? Cause I was . And I know on my way out the last thing I was hearing was how impressed people were with Cassel, Bowe, and Charles. That was the quietest I've ever heard that stadium other than maybe when the Hawks fell down 17-0 to the Lions a couple years back.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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I'm curious as to what proof there is that Bradford is better than Eli Manning or Tony Romo. I'm a Bucs fan, and I think Freeman will eventually be better than both of them, but right now, I think it's a bit premature to put him above either of those two, and Freeman outplayed Bradford last year without a doubt.

Is there even a single statistic in which Bradford has Eli or Romo beat besides Eli's INT totals (but Eli also threw way more TDs)?

[Ramminyou]

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Well Bradford did always kick Mizzou's a$$

That's true, unfortunately. And it's too bad, because I thought he wore that Mizzou jersey well last year.

[mojo6911]

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Brady has banked his career on the short passes ..

Peyton Manning's Y/A is 7.6 and Brady's is 7.4. Hardly a big difference.

[infemous]

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1. Tom Brady
2. Peyton Manning
3. Drew Brees
4. Aaron Rodgers
5. Philip Rivers
6. Ben Roethlisberger
7. Matt Ryan
8. Michael Vick
9. Matt Schaub
10. Joe Flacco
11. Josh Freeman
12. Matt Cassel
13. Matt Hasslebeck
14. Matthew Stafford
15. Eli Manning
16. Tony Romo
17. Kevin Kolb

LMAO you lost all credibility including these players in your 15 QBs better than Sam Bradford list. I mean, this wasn't serious was it?

You were joking right?

EDIT:
Wow. 5 QBs in this list called Matt. Didn't ever notice that was such a QB name...

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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LMAO you lost all credibility including these players in your 15 QBs better than Sam Bradford list. I mean, this wasn't serious was it?

You were joking right?

EDIT:
Wow. 5 QBs in this list called Matt. Didn't ever notice that was such a QB name...

Flacco and Romo absolutely should be ahead of Bradford as of right now. Not saying Bradford will never surpass them, but he hasn't done anything to prove he's better than either of them yet.

[DeuceDouglas]

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LMAO you lost all credibility including these players in your 15 QBs better than Sam Bradford list. I mean, this wasn't serious was it?

You were joking right?

You've already lost all credibility dude. You're treating Bradford like he's your kid and you refuse to believe anything negative that is said about him. Your views are way too narrow-minded to even be considered credible. If it promotes and praises Bradford it's 120% right! If it questions or doubts him, hahah you must be joking right? Like, seriously was that a joke?

Joe Flacco took his team to the AFC Championship as a rookie and they've made the playoffs every year he's been quarterback. And in a division far tougher than that vaunted NFC West.

As for Cassel, go back and watch the Rams-Chiefs game last year. Enough Said.

Matthew Stafford has shown more in his limited time than Bradford showed all of last season.

Could you see Bradford going up against the Saints in the NFC Wild Card round and putting up a game like Hasselbeck did? I don't think so.

Tony Romo, while probably overrated has taken the Cowboys to the playoffs on multiple occasions.

Kevin Kolb, see Matt Stafford.

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If I was to pick a QB that I had to go into a must-win game with right now I would take Hasselbeck. Obviously if I were building for the future I would take Bradford simply based on age and potential. To compare Tarvaris Jackson with Kevin Kolb and Matthew Stafford is an insult to them both. They've atleast proven they can run an offense in the time they've had to show it.

Maybe it's the Rams playcalling that's clouding my perception of him, I don't know. Maybe it's the fact that the Rams leading receiver was Danny Amendola. I still don't know but for me, the jury's still out on Bradford.



Just out of curiosity, did you happen to be at the Chiefs-Seahawks game? Cause I was . And I know on my way out the last thing I was hearing was how impressed people were with Cassel, Bowe, and Charles. That was the quietest I've ever heard that stadium other than maybe when the Hawks fell down 17-0 to the Lions a couple years back.

I wasn't at that game, no. I do remember turning it off at halftime when Bowe had like 512 receiving yards in the first half.

I WAS at that Lions game... My first time at Qwest. I wanted to puke. Thankfully, the Hawks came back and won...

[xpmar9x]

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I'm not sold on Bradford yet...


Had 3,512 yards and 18 TDs.

Had no "elite" targets.

He also had 15 INTs and 7 FUM

Finished near the top of the league in attempts, overinflating his yards and touchdown metrics. Yards and touchdowns aren't good ways to grade quarterbacks, but that doesn't stop people from doing just that.

Played for a team with just a couple of wins in the prior year, so the quarterback would get credit for any regression to the mean in the form of a significant increase in wins;

Played a really weak (in fact the 2nd weakest) schedule that boosted the quarterback's individual stats and team wins;

Played for a team whose defense got a lot better without adding any big names, so people can just think "what's the difference between them this year and last year? That rookie QB and not much else."

Finished with a 60% completion rate, he also dumped the ball of a ton. In fact, he was 2nd to last in the NFL in yards per completion at 6.0 ypc (second to only the great Jimmy Clausen).


Don't get me wrong, I like Bradford. But, I don't think he will be "elite"... I can see him as a good player (but not elite).

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I'm not sold on Bradford yet...


Had 3,512 yards and 18 TDs.

Had no "elite" targets.

He also had 15 INTs and 7 FUM

Finished near the top of the league in attempts, overinflating his yards and touchdown metrics. Yards and touchdowns aren't good ways to grade quarterbacks, but that doesn't stop people from doing just that.

Played for a team with just a couple of wins in the prior year, so the quarterback would get credit for any regression to the mean in the form of a significant increase in wins;

Played a really weak (in fact the 2nd weakest) schedule that boosted the quarterback's individual stats and team wins;

Played for a team whose defense got a lot better without adding any big names, so people can just think "what's the difference between them this year and last year? That rookie QB and not much else."

Finished with a 60% completion rate, he also dumped the ball of a ton. In fact, he was 2nd to last in the NFL in yards per completion at 6.0 ypc (second to only the great Jimmy Clausen).


Don't get me wrong, I like Bradford. But, I don't think he will be "elite"... I can see him as a good player (but not elite).

Strong points, but IMO, Bradford will be an elite QB inside of three years, if not sooner.

I can't take his season stats seriously from last year due to playing on such a poor team with so few weapons at his disposal. I mean, Brandon Gibson was probably their most talented wide out last year.

Although some of the stats are very unimpressive, the overall body of work from his rookie year bodes extremely well for his future, IMO. St. Louis will surround him with more offensive talent and he'll take off.

That's just how I see it, and as I've said numerous times in this thread, Seattle is my team so it sucks to really believe all of this, but I do.

[Dwaresacksqb]

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LMAO you lost all credibility including these players in your 15 QBs better than Sam Bradford list. I mean, this wasn't serious was it?

You were joking right?

EDIT:
Wow. 5 QBs in this list called Matt. Didn't ever notice that was such a QB name...

U seriously just laughed at Tony Romo being better than Bradford? Why does Romo get so much hate I mean all the kid do was take over a average Cowboys team and turn them into contenders as soon as he stepped on the field. He has CRUSHED records as a Dallas Cowboy QB that were previously set by hall of famers. He is 4th ALL TIME in QB rating. He takes his team to the playoffs. He can avoid the pass rush like nobody's business and then make a play on the fly when things break down. He also is a huge reason why Jason Witten is going to be in the Hall of Fame some day. people seriously need to lay off this dude. Really Bradford is a better QB than Romo already give me a break. Oh wait I almost forgot...Tony Romo has the quickest release of any QB I have ever seen. Even madden has recognized this and made it get talked about in one of their games. Why do people think Tim Tebow will fail? His release Is super slow. Who has one of the fastest releases ever? Tony Romo! Heck even his accuracy is great as he puts up sick completion% every year.

[infemous]

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You've already lost all credibility dude. You're treating Bradford like he's your kid and you refuse to believe anything negative that is said about him. Your views are way too narrow-minded to even be considered credible. If it promotes and praises Bradford it's 120% right! If it questions or doubts him, hahah you must be joking right? Like, seriously was that a joke?

Joe Flacco took his team to the AFC Championship as a rookie and they've made the playoffs every year he's been quarterback. And in a division far tougher than that vaunted NFC West.

As for Cassel, go back and watch the Rams-Chiefs game last year. Enough Said.

Matthew Stafford has shown more in his limited time than Bradford showed all of last season.

Could you see Bradford going up against the Saints in the NFC Wild Card round and putting up a game like Hasselbeck did? I don't think so.

Tony Romo, while probably overrated has taken the Cowboys to the playoffs on multiple occasions.

Kevin Kolb, see Matt Stafford.

You take my support of Bradford the wrong way dude. Like for real. If you actually used good points to belittle Bradford, I wouldn't laugh at you, but you revert to really whack things as a means of proving your point, when your point is purely based on unfounded opinion. It's cool to have an opinion, but if you want to express it you need to back it up with stuff that makes sense.

I will commend Joe Flacco on being drafted by the Ravens. They are an excellent team. He has done a good job managing the ball, and can make plays with his arm and his legs. He has a lot of talent, but unfortunately, he lacks a presence on the field. I don't like him in the pocket, he looks nervous sometimes. In addition to this, I feel that while icy cool most of the time, in the clutch he really underperforms. He's not a QB who'll put the team on his back and carry them to a win. He's a game manager.

Don't know how being on a better team and winning team in one game is any reason to say Cassel is better than Bradford. I mean, really? Cassel in that game was impressive, particularly because he was straight off an injury and showed some guts. However, most people would take Bradford over Cassel due to little things like Sam's better ball placement and stronger arm. It's an upside thing... Cassel doesn't have much.

I would probably say Stafford has more upside than Bradford too, and has been VERY impressive in his limited action. The main issue is, is Sam has played more games in his rookie season than Stafford has his entire career. That's an issue. In addition to that he has like 5 times the interceptions Bradford has because he forces the ball too much and makes bad decisions. Granted, he's been on bad teams but now his supporting cast is excellent.

Do you see Hasselbeck playing past the Titans bye week? This dude is done. He hurts his back jogging on the sideline man. He was a good QB, perfect WCO guy, good leader and he's funny too, but he's like 50 years old and has no future in the league. You'd take that over Offensive Rookie of the Year? C'mon son.

And won how many games? I think Romo is a good QB, but he's cost them more games than he's won in my opinion. I think in terms of regular season ability and making plays he's up there with the best. Very exciting, but again, dude is a mad choker. I haven't seen him play well in a key game yet, although I've only seen about 3 or 4 important Cowboy games, so that argument may not be too strong. You may have me on Romo, but again, I and I suspect 90% of GMs in the league would take Bradford over Romo.

and LMAO. Kevin Kolb is no where near Stafford. Kolb is straight up dreck. Handed the starting QB job and lost it after injuries and poor play. Dude has played like 3 games and has more INTs than TDs and his only impressive games are vs teams like the Browns. He's got zero physical upside, especially in comparison to Bradford. I don't see him as a leader and as a 'vet' he sure lacks any presence on the field... NEXT.

So dude, you may possibly get me on Romo, but please, just back your points up about Bradford. If you are a Bradford *****, hate in silence, because you're not saying anything that makes sense.

You get a vid of Bradford stepping up into the pocket and throwing a strike, and compare that next to these QBs above, the only one who does it with the same sort of confidence and guile is Stafford. The others don't have the ability to play the QB position the way Bradford does and will.

[DeuceDouglas]

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but you revert to really whack things as a means of proving your point, when your point is purely based on unfounded opinion. It's cool to have an opinion, but if you want to express it you need to back it up with stuff that makes sense.

How exactly is statistical evidence whack? Do the numbers not make sense?

You could put just about any QB on that Rams team last year and ran that offense and they would have put up very similar numbers. Bradford's numbers weren't an indication of his elite potential they were an indication of a very safe and low-risk offense.

He's not a QB who'll put the team on his back and carry them to a win. He's a game manager.

And neither is Bradford, yet. I would also consider Bradford a game manager not a game changer. I already stated before with my list that those are QB's that I would take if I had to win a game right now. Obviously if I'm building a team for the future the young guys are going to be of higher priority.

I respect your opinion but the jury's still out on the Bradford.