Madden NFL 12 Player Ratings - Green Bay Packers and Minnesota Vikings

[DCEBB2001]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Player Ratings - Green Bay Packers and Minnesota Vikings

Watch this from 2009. Rarely do you see him run away from anyone. In fact, at the 1:35 mark he gets caught from behind by Jared Allen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnWzc-PnvUE

[genghisfrog]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Player Ratings - Green Bay Packers and Minnesota Vikings

Watch this from 2009. Rarely do you see him run away from anyone. In fact, at the 1:35 mark he gets caught from behind by Jared Allen.

Jared Allen keeps running straight while Finley cuts left and loses his footing. You don't watch many Packers games if you think Quarless is faster than Finley. Going by 40 times is laughable. Greg Jennings ran a 4.5 40, but does he play at that speed?

[DCEBB2001]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Player Ratings - Green Bay Packers and Minnesota Vikings

Jared Allen keeps running straight while Finley cuts left and loses his footing. You don't watch many Packers games if you think Quarless is faster than Finley. Going by 40 times is laughable. Greg Jennings ran a 4.5 40, but does he play at that speed?

I have seen every Packer game either on TV or in person since 1995. Quarless is a faster, more agile TE, but is raw. Quarless lacks the ball skills that Finley impresses. Notice those jump balls in the red zone. He separates from nobody, but makes the catch because of his size and hands. He is easy to blanket down the field, but near impossible to out jump when in position. Allen still ran him down regardless of what Finley was doing. On that same play, he was still caught by the back end of the defense. There were not any plays where he outran a CB or S. In fact, there are some plays in there where he beats a LB for a catch, the LB gets out of position, then comes back 5 yards later to make the tackle.

Jennings did not run a 4.50 as you say. He ran a 4.42 at the combine in 2006, a near elite time regardless of position. Please get your facts straight.

[genghisfrog]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Player Ratings - Green Bay Packers and Minnesota Vikings

Who can outrun a DB when the offense is on the 5 yard line?

His low was a 4.42 at the combine. He also ran worse than that.

Lastly, when did Quarless get any kind of separation last year?

[genghisfrog]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Player Ratings - Green Bay Packers and Minnesota Vikings

Honestly, you're just nitpicking Finley's speed by a few points.

Frank Zombo being faster than Walden?

Tauscher an 86? OVERRRRRated

Bulaga an 82?Overrated

Raji an 88? Underrated

Nick Collins speed---underrated

Bishop an 82? Underrated

All of those above are minor problems. The only major mistake in the ratings is Sam Shields being a 75 overall.

[DCEBB2001]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Player Ratings - Green Bay Packers and Minnesota Vikings

Who can outrun a DB when the offense is on the 5 yard line?

His low was a 4.42 at the combine. He also ran worse than that.

Lastly, when did Quarless get any kind of separation last year?

Actually his average verifiable time was 4.42 after the electronic readjustment. His range was 4.34 to 4.51. All players actually have 6 times because 2 from each run are hand-started and then re-adjusted after the combine. The teams don't even get all of the numbers until the week after the combine is over.

Finley had several chances to outrun the D in that video I provided. How many times did you see him outrun the D for a TD? Not many.

As for Quarless I can think of 3 in particular. The one for 23 against MIA, the one for 21 against WAS, and one in his best game against DET for 20; all as a rookie forced into a starting role. He is a raw talent and the reason he had to split time with Crabtree. He had trouble hanging on to balls, something Finley has not had trouble with.

[DCEBB2001]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Player Ratings - Green Bay Packers and Minnesota Vikings

Honestly, you're just nitpicking Finley's speed by a few points.

Frank Zombo being faster than Walden?

Tauscher an 86? OVERRRRRated

Bulaga an 82?Overrated

Raji an 88? Underrated

Nick Collins speed---underrated

Bishop an 82? Underrated

All of those above are minor problems. The only major mistake in the ratings is Sam Shields being a 75 overall.

That Zombo SPD rating is quite perplexing. He is not fast by any means. I don't get it....

[genghisfrog]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Player Ratings - Green Bay Packers and Minnesota Vikings

Outrunning the D? Are you serious? You are acting like Finley is a 95 speed. He's only an 86.

Quarless was open vs zone D, he didn't get separation in man to man.

[bucky60]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Player Ratings - Green Bay Packers and Minnesota Vikings

As for Quarless I can think of 3 in particular. The one for 23 against MIA, the one for 21 against WAS, and one in his best game against DET for 20; all as a rookie forced into a starting role. He is a raw talent and the reason he had to split time with Crabtree. He had trouble hanging on to balls, something Finley has not had trouble with.

Finley longest reception each year.
2008-35 yards
2009-62 yards
2010-34 yards

I think Finley runs pretty well. And that is in shortened seasons due to injuries.

[DCEBB2001]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Player Ratings - Green Bay Packers and Minnesota Vikings

Outrunning the D? Are you serious? You are acting like Finley is a 95 speed. He's only an 86.

Quarless was open vs zone D, he didn't get separation in man to man.

I would put him closer to an 80 than a 90. If you think that Finley is for one second faster than an INJURED Driver, you are insane!

So you are saying that Quarless never ran against man? He was in man the whole season because we lined him up as an H-Back on passing downs! He was on OLBs and Nickle defenders every 2nd and 3rd down the whole season! Did you watch any games? If it weren't for Quarless having unreliable hands and sometimes running the wrong routes he would be more than a physical specimen. Please provide some REAL evidence to the contrary.

[DCEBB2001]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Player Ratings - Green Bay Packers and Minnesota Vikings

Finley longest reception each year.
2008-35 yards
2009-62 yards
2010-34 yards

I think Finley runs pretty well. And that is in shortened seasons due to injuries.

He's not a bad runner. He's pretty agile, but he doesn't separate from anyone. More of a let him run and just chuck it up to outjump a smaller CB kind of player. Not fast by any means.

[DCEBB2001]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Player Ratings - Green Bay Packers and Minnesota Vikings

Finley longest reception each year.
2008-35 yards
2009-62 yards
2010-34 yards

I think Finley runs pretty well. And that is in shortened seasons due to injuries.

Here is the 62 yard TD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CURbfKRhud0&playnext=1&list=PLEA172E038EE93418

Broken coverage, broken tackle, a block, and then gets run down right as he crosses the plane. Not an 86 speed by any means to me.

[DCEBB2001]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Player Ratings - Green Bay Packers and Minnesota Vikings

Here is the 62 yard TD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CURbfKRhud0&playnext=1&list=PLEA172E038EE93418

Broken coverage, broken tackle, a block, and then gets run down right as he crosses the plane. Not an 86 speed by any means to me.

Oh and the guy who runs him down is Cedric Griffin with an 85 SPD.

http://espn.go.com/espn/thelife/videogames/madden12ratings/_/team/min/id/16/minnesota-vikings

Yup, real worthy of that 86 SPD...

[genghisfrog]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Player Ratings - Green Bay Packers and Minnesota Vikings

Driver is faster than Finley and Finley is faster than Quarless. You are highly overrating Quarless. I'm starting to think you're a Penn State fan.

[bucky60]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Player Ratings - Green Bay Packers and Minnesota Vikings

He's not a bad runner. He's pretty agile, but he doesn't separate from anyone. More of a let him run and just chuck it up to outjump a smaller CB kind of player. Not fast by any means.

Here is were I think your smoking dope. Finley is a fast TE. He would be a slower WR, but he's a fast TE.

Quarless isn't even close to Finely in Receiving skills, and he wasn't a real good blocker either. From what I'm hearing, that changed during the off-season. I heard he really worked on his blocking. I don't think Quarless will ever be the receiver Finley is, but I think he could, with more work come close to it.

But you saying that Finley is just a chuck it up and hope receiver is just out of this world crazy. 62 yard reception in 2009.