Madden NFL 12 Player Ratings - New Orleans Saints and Tampa Bay Buccaneers

[bmj2k7]

Have to admit it will be weird seing Sharper not as a saint bc he helped them win the superbowl a couple years ago. A 82 ovr seems a bit low when he gets int's a lot, 63 career, but can't wait for him to finally sign as a Patriot so we can add another ball hawk to our secondary!

[mazinkaiser]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Player Ratings - New Orleans Saints and Tampa Bay Buccaneers

The bucs got screwed. Even the panties got a better "madden" team despite being a lot worse in real life.

[seriousluboy83]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Player Ratings - New Orleans Saints and Tampa Bay Buccaneers

The bucs got screwed. Even the panties got a better "madden" team despite being a lot worse in real life.

who are "the panties"???

[s38s38s]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Player Ratings - New Orleans Saints and Tampa Bay Buccaneers

If you root for your division opponents when they don't play the Panthers, then you aren't a very good Panthers fan.

You seem knowledgeable enough though, so this is strange to me.

I watched all of our dismal 2-14 campaign, except the Thursday night game vs Pittsburgh because I don't have NFL Network. I am a fan of the pro game in general but my loyalty is to Carolina first, but I have a vested interest in all of the teams especially those within our division.

[s38s38s]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Player Ratings - New Orleans Saints and Tampa Bay Buccaneers

You just agreed with me his speed should be bumped up to 88..... as far as using Colston and his Effectiveness- it has nothing to do with how I use him, it is more that specifically fades in general especially in the endzone are not as effective as they should be specifically with bigger guys and is something EA has yet to fix. There is no throwing a jump ball into the corner of the endzone and letting Colston go up and get it. It has nothing to do with ratings it's the way Madden itself plays because EA hasn't figured out how to have it play out realistically.

Top WR's for me are always Colston and Meachem... I usually trade Bush away immediately for draft picks.

I said no higher, to further clarify 88 is generous. I would say 86 is perfect. As far as the fade is concerned, user catching works wonders. Lob it while holding the L-Stick towards the back corner, switch while the ball is in the air and user catch it. I've seen Ramses Barden (nowhere near Colston's ratings) lead a OLF (Online Franchise) in TD's strictly off of fades.

[s38s38s]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Player Ratings - New Orleans Saints and Tampa Bay Buccaneers

who are "the panties"???

He's referring to Carolina, as far as a comparison between the two rosters Carolina is only lacking in the DT, and QB position when compared to Tampa Bay, maybe DE depth also.

I would say WR as well but I consider Olsen a WR/TE hybrid so in addition to Smith, Shockey, and Gettis I'd say we have the edge there. At running back between Williams and Stewart edge to us, our secondaries I would consider a wash, but perhaps slight edge to TB given their size/speed at corner excluding Ronde, our LB's are very strong and I don't think another teams outside of Pittsburgh, and now Cincinatti after it's off-season can boast a better starting group, Beason, Anderson, Davis.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Player Ratings - New Orleans Saints and Tampa Bay Buccaneers

You just agreed with me his speed should be bumped up to 88..... as far as using Colston and his Effectiveness- it has nothing to do with how I use him, it is more that specifically fades in general especially in the endzone are not as effective as they should be specifically with bigger guys and is something EA has yet to fix. There is no throwing a jump ball into the corner of the endzone and letting Colston go up and get it. It has nothing to do with ratings it's the way Madden itself plays because EA hasn't figured out how to have it play out realistically.

Top WR's for me are always Colston and Meachem... I usually trade Bush away immediately for draft picks.

In my online franchise, Ramses Barden was my #2 WR solely because I could just throw the ball up to him and he'd come down with it almost every time. In my offline franchise, I had a 6'8" WR that was a 75 overall as my #1 WR. He won WR of the Year (simming the games) and was an absolute TD machine both when simulating and when playing. Fades in the endzone are incredibly effective in Madden. Even in the demo, I've been motioning Greg Olsen out wide and throwing it up to him for easy TDs.

[SaintsFan504]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Player Ratings - New Orleans Saints and Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Ok, here's my non-biased revisions.

WR/TE

CTH
Colston, 96-->89
L-Mo, 87-->94
Meach 77-->95
SPD
Henderson 98-->96
L-Mo 88-->84
STR
Colston 77-->71
Humphrey 66-->74
INJ
Meachem 90-->78

Colston is pretty middle of the road catching the ball, makes amazing catches but also drops some easy ones. L-Mo is one of the more sure handed slot receivers in the league and Meachem led the league in min drop % during the -09 season and doesn't really drop any balls although he's mostly a deep threat (well, apart from that game against the 49ers this preseason.).

Also, no way Colstons strength should be higher than Humphreys seeing that he's mainly a blocking tight end.
Meach has battled through some injuries but should still not be that much slower than Henderson, he ran a 4.39, Henderson a 4.37 but is getting open more often plus he's younger and has taken less of a beating.

Running Backs:
INJ
Ivory 80-->45
TGH
Ivory 69-->97
TRK
Ivory 88-->93

Obviously staying healthy is a huge concern for Ivory. When he's playing though he's one of the hardest runners in the league, vastly underrated in this game.. YT his highlights and tell me that he is a guy who should have a 69 TGH rating. He was also second in the league in yards after contact, producing better than the vet RBs last year. If anything he's too tough for his own good, resulting in alot of injuries.

OVR
Evans 98-->96

Didn't play as well as he did in 09, Nicks arguably the better guard last year.

KAC
Hartley 89-->96

4th ranked FG% EVER, somewhat low KAC on shorter kicks, 101/99 on those kicks 45yds+.

D-Line
ACC
Galette 86-->91

Without a doubt the most explosive guy on our line, one-dimensional though..

DBs
SPD
Greer 88-->94
INJ
Greer 93-->58
Porter 75-->60
Jenkins 96-->86
MAN
Greer 92-->95
Porter 93-->84
ZCV
Greer 94-->88
Porter 86-->90

Greer has elite track speed and may very well be the fastest guy on the football field. An elite corner IF healthy (never played a full season), ranking in the top 5 in completion percentage against him. Very often on an island with the exotic blitz packages from GW.
Porter more of an Asante Samuel type of player.. Likes sitting back, sometimes abused in 1-on-1 coverage.
Our whole backfield has been somewhat injury prone, a tad high for MJ who missed some games last season as well as missing some practices this year with an injury.

[saintsyadig]

Ok, here's my non-biased revisions.

WR/TE

CTH
Colston, 96-->89
L-Mo, 87-->94
Meach 77-->95
SPD
Henderson 98-->96
L-Mo 88-->84
STR
Colston 77-->71
Humphrey 66-->74
INJ
Meachem 90-->78

Colston is pretty middle of the road catching the ball, makes amazing catches but also drops some easy ones. L-Mo is one of the more sure handed slot receivers in the league and Meachem led the league in min drop % during the -09 season and doesn't really drop any balls although he's mostly a deep threat (well, apart from that game against the 49ers this preseason.).

Also, no way Colstons strength should be higher than Humphreys seeing that he's mainly a blocking tight end.
Meach has battled through some injuries but should still not be that much slower than Henderson, he ran a 4.39, Henderson a 4.37 but is getting open more often plus he's younger and has taken less of a beating.

Running Backs:
INJ
Ivory 80-->45
TGH
Ivory 69-->97
TRK
Ivory 88-->93

Obviously staying healthy is a huge concern for Ivory. When he's playing though he's one of the hardest runners in the league, vastly underrated in this game.. YT his highlights and tell me that he is a guy who should have a 69 TGH rating. He was also second in the league in yards after contact, producing better than the vet RBs last year. If anything he's too tough for his own good, resulting in alot of injuries.

OVR
Evans 98-->96

Didn't play as well as he did in 09, Nicks arguably the better guard last year.

KAC
Hartley 89-->96

4th ranked FG% EVER, somewhat low KAC on shorter kicks, 101/99 on those kicks 45yds+.

D-Line
ACC
Galette 86-->91

Without a doubt the most explosive guy on our line, one-dimensional though..

DBs
SPD
Greer 88-->94
INJ
Greer 93-->58
Porter 75-->60
Jenkins 96-->86
MAN
Greer 92-->95
Porter 93-->84
ZCV
Greer 94-->88
Porter 86-->90

Greer has elite track speed and may very well be the fastest guy on the football field. An elite corner IF healthy (never played a full season), ranking in the top 5 in completion percentage against him. Very often on an island with the exotic blitz packages from GW.
Porter more of an Asante Samuel type of player.. Likes sitting back, sometimes abused in 1-on-1 coverage.
Our whole backfield has been somewhat injury prone, a tad high for MJ who missed some games last season as well as missing some practices this year with an injury.

What about our linebackers 504?

[Chrisksaint]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Player Ratings - New Orleans Saints and Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Even with the Combo of Brees to Colston in Madden i've never really been able to complete the goalline fade route. Of course I was never really aware you could influnce it somewhat with the stick as i've been reading, been able to run some in NCAA 12 as of late so hopefully now I can take advantage of Colston's ratings lol.

Say what you want about Ingram's speed(it's at the right spot) but with his agility, acceleration, carrying, vision,etc he's gonna be an amazing RB for my offense and contribute right away.

Casillas has a good chance of starting and needs a bump, but he's rarely played in an actual season so it's understandable for his ratings.

[ABR173rd]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Player Ratings - New Orleans Saints and Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Even with the Combo of Brees to Colston in Madden i've never really been able to complete the goalline fade route. Of course I was never really aware you could influnce it somewhat with the stick as i've been reading, been able to run some in NCAA 12 as of late so hopefully now I can take advantage of Colston's ratings lol.

Say what you want about Ingram's speed(it's at the right spot) but with his agility, acceleration, carrying, vision,etc he's gonna be an amazing RB for my offense and contribute right away.

Casillas has a good chance of starting and needs a bump, but he's rarely played in an actual season so it's understandable for his ratings.

I agree with the fade, it seems in NCAA this year it is more effective than it was in the past so hopefully Madden reflects this.

As far as Ingram no doubt, I usually traded Bush away and ran with Thomas- I do feel he got low balled as well due to being out last season. I will bet money though by the 3rd roster update both get rating bumps.

[tatmanfish]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Player Ratings - New Orleans Saints and Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Bucs are by far the slowest team in Madden.

Bucs only have Biggers on their roster whos rated a 90+ speed. Hopefully they add WR Jock Sanders and CB Gaitor whom both of which should be 92+ speed. Gaitor is a lot like Barber and is a perfect tampa 2 corner. Hopefully hes rated as such. Jock looks to stay on the roster as a return guy for now.

Boosts:

Freeman- speed should be closer to 79 and DAC should be close to an 85.

Blount- elusiveness deserves a bump. Was top 5 in the NFL in yards per carry and yards after contact. Not all of it was trucking.

Benn- acceleration too low. His quickness is why the Bucs like to get him the ball on screens and end arounds. his speed is just a couple points low too.

Briscoe- route running and catch in traffic low

Winslow-he is way too slow. He keeps dropping for no reason. Should be around 86-88.

Trueblood- should be closer to 75 OVR with an increse in impact block mostly, maybe a hair in run blocking.

Miller- Stregnth is still way too low. He holds several weight lifting records at Texas, should be closer to 96.

OLB Black- tackling should be much higher. He was one of the most efficient tackling LBs in the NFL according to PFF.

Foster- needs higher speed, block shedding and hit power. He was known for his ability to shed blocks and be a physical force. His ratings dont show that at all. Given his performance so far, his speed should be in the low 80s.

Watson- needs a slight bump in block shedding and finese moves, especially if he continues to shine in preseason.

Biggers- needs an increase in man coverage. Hes a very well rounded corner and rated highly by PFF in coverage. Dude has no ball skills, but his coverage is solid

Grimm- 79 speed for a guy that ran a 4.5. Hes slower than many LBs in Madden. Should be an 82-83. Needs a slight boost there, in tackling, and hit power. He made the conversion from LB to S and has proven to be one of the more physical tacklers on the team

Assante- Need a boost on zone and hit power. See KC hit, 2nd NO game last year, and Pats game.


Drops:

Faine- guy gets owned ofen and has been regressing over the last two years. his stregnth is just a hair too high, and his run blocking is too high

Lee- has performed rather poorly and hasnt reallt been competeing with Trueblodd at all.

Ruud- doesnt play for the Bucs now, but his block shedding is way to high. its an 88 when it should be an 68. His biggest knock is that hes not physical and he cant shed blocks....hence why the Bucs let him go off of there near bottom ranked run D.

Hayes- tackle is too high. hes a playmaker, but is an inconsistent tackler.

Other than those, they are fairly accurate for the Bucs. Its a shame a 2 win teams players are rated higher than a 10 win team when they both played one of the easiest schedules in the league.

Hopefully most of the Bucs guys have good potential. Getting 10 wins with the youngest team in the NFL and only a couple teams suffered more injuries should be sufficient to make sure most of these guys are A/B potential.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Player Ratings - New Orleans Saints and Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Regarding that fade route, you just gotta wait for them to get off the press coverage and then aim the throw to the outside. In the demo, it actually works to throw it when they're jammed.

[thegregwitul]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Player Ratings - New Orleans Saints and Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Some thoughts from a Bucs fan...

Players that need a rating boost:

Dez Briscoe: 62 overall is ridiculous. He's played well this preseason, finished last season strong, is noted by the coaches as the best route runner on the team and can play all three wideout spots, and he's only getting a 62?! From what I understand, Donny Moore is a fan of the Bucs, so I just don't understand how something like this slips through. Speaking as an unbiased fan, Dez deserves a bump in several categories and an overall increase of at least ten points. EJ Biggers was shafted last year (and still is this year) and it looks like Dez starts the season with the top WTF overall on the Bucs. I'm speechless.

LaGarrette Blount: An 81 is a little lower than I expected, as I thought Blount would come in at 84 overall. I like the 98 trucking, but the elusiveness stat needs to be bumped up.

Brandon Carter: The kid works hard and plays hard, and a 59 overall does him no justice. A moderate boost in some attributes and an overall somewhere in the mid to high 60's works for me.

Mason Foster: 65 overall? Please. I get that he's a rookie, but he's the starting MLB (and not really by default, although the coaching staff is plugging him in early, which I'm okay with) and the kid will be something special (okay, the homer in me will take it easy). The 65 overall is an insult, and what's worse, his hit power is 20 points lower than Barrett Rudd. That's right, Barrett Rudd. 20 points lower. I'd at least have Foster at a 70, maybe a 72. The guy was a third round pick, so it's not like he came in as a 7th rounder and starting to turn heads...that would be Anthony Gaitor, who NEEDS to be added in the release day roster update, as he is turning out to be another 7th round steal, a la...

EJ Biggers: From fans to the number crunching, formula based stat sites, Biggers gets his fair share of love. When Talib was out (and even when Biggers played nickel), Biggers was balling. 75 overall is more than fair, however, Biggers gets the shaft again with a 69 overall. There is a reason why the Bucs didn't dump a truckload of cash at Nnamdi Asomugha, and a big part of that reasoning is EJ Biggers. Now, I'm not saying he's a superstar, but I am saying that he can be a legit starting CB in the NFL. If Talib misses any games due to suspension, the Bucs won't be hopeless at CB, as Biggers can step right in and hold the fort down. A really under-appreciated player that deserves better. Hey, at least it's not a 60 overall, I guess...


A few other players would benefit from certain attribute bumps, as these guys have had an impact on the team (Cody Grimm, Frank Okam, Larry Asante), but we are talking mostly about backups or rotation players. I think as unbiased fans, we can make adjustments and touch base with other fans of other teams to see if there is another Dez Briscoe like ratings snafu that needs correcting. At least that's what I plan on doing.

All in all, I like the expanded roster (Ed Gant! Andrew Economos, the long snapper, at last!) and most of the ratings are on point. I think with Donny having to focus on every teams ratings, some guys get lost in the shuffle. For me, it's not the end of the world, as I spend 99% of my time playing offline Franchise, so I can adjust certain players from all teams to my liking and I'm good to go.

(oh, and BTW, Faine and Rudd are rated too high, but you knew that already, didn't you)


j.

[Chrisksaint]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Player Ratings - New Orleans Saints and Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Regarding that fade route, you just gotta wait for them to get off the press coverage and then aim the throw to the outside. In the demo, it actually works to throw it when they're jammed.

I think that's one thing that used to get me is I was throwing it like a realistic fade as in throwing it right away, but good to know it may work during a jam now.

Demanding Briscoe to be like a 72 is a little rediculous when he's done very little production other then in preseason and word of mouth from coaches especially when you look at guys like Lance Moore and Robert Meachem with 77 overalls