Madden NFL 12 Player Ratings - New Orleans Saints and Tampa Bay Buccaneers

[Dwaresacksqb]

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Yeah I won't get into that Bryant issue with you I'm already exhausted from it in another thread. No way no how though is he over rated. The bucs are just underrated. Maybe he watched too much film on Bryant because the dude is lights out lol

Here's the link to that thread if u want my view points with the Bryant vs Bucs fans issue.

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...ez-bryant.html

[BigBucs]

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Dont get me wrong, Im not saying Bryant isnt good but simply based on 1st year performance, there is no way he should be an 83 while Milke Williams is an 84 and Blount is only an 81. Blount started 7 games man, 7 and had minimal time in the other 6 games he played because he was just learning the playbook and managed to get 1000 yards. How does Bryant "earn" a higher rating at his respective position. If Bryant is an 83 then Blount should be an 86 or 87 as well as Williams.

Bryant benefits from that hype machine but when it comes down to onfield perfromance he has been trumped and the ratings should reflect accordingly.

[Dwaresacksqb]

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Dont get me wrong, Im not saying Bryant isnt good but simply based on 1st year performance, there is no way he should be an 83 while Milke Williams is an 84 and Blount is only an 81. Blount started 7 games man, 7 and had minimal time in the other 6 games he played because he was just learning the playbook and managed to get 1000 yards. How does Bryant "earn" a higher rating at his respective position. If Bryant is an 83 then Blount should be an 86 or 87 as well as Williams.

Bryant benefits from that hype machine but when it comes down to onfield perfromance he has been trumped and the ratings should reflect accordingly.

He hasn't been trumped. He plays in a offense with Alot of other stars. Miles and Witten also get the ball alot because they are good. Roy was also on the the team which hindered his numbers. Not to mention he had two different QB's throwing to him, two different head coaches and a year off of football while being injured in training camp and not having much knowledge of the playbook. He was injured and didn't finish the year either. He returned two punts for td's on ONLY 15 attempts. The guy is a human highlight reel. How could u blame a man who watched Dez Bryants film and came to a conclusion that he was a 83 overall. The only reason he isn't higher is because of getting injured and is still is a lil unproven. I challenge anybody to watch this kids tape and rate him lower. It wouldn't be easy. That's why he gets all the attention and hype. That's why all the experts say the sky is the limit for kid. U should be happy Williams still has the edge on him. Just sayin

Edit: the only way Madden was able to bring his ratings down because of all the talent he has was to give him a real low route running and awareness.

[BigBucs]

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Seems pointless to argue because you deadset of a lot of what ifs but fact remains that he was trumped based on on field performance. Talib didnt play the whole year but managed to have a probowl caliber yeare and still get jobbed. It is what it is. Hopefully Dez can stay healthy this season. Injury or no injury though, he doesnt deserve to be rated higher than either Williams or Blount. Performace > Potential.

[Dwaresacksqb]

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Williams was a starter. Bryant was third on the depth chart and put up those numbers in a incomplete season. If Bryants obvious talent got him 1 or 2 extra points then that's good seeing as how everyone knows he is better than a 83 in real life anyway. Like I said your players are just underrated. Ronnie Brown is a 84 lol pick a fight with him or something. He doesn't have numbers or potential. He is average at best.

Bryant and Williams will probably always get compared to eachother seeing as how they are the two most promising young wide receivers and came out of the same draft class. So I understand why you are hating on Bryant. No biggy

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Williams was a starter. Bryant was third on the depth chart and put up those numbers in a incomplete season. If Bryants obvious talent got him 1 or 2 extra points then that's good seeing as how everyone knows he is better than a 83 in real life anyway. Like I said your players are just underrated. Ronnie Brown is a 84 lol pick a fight with him or something. He doesn't have numbers or potential. He is average at best.

Bryant and Williams will probably always get compared to eachother seeing as how they are the two most promising young wide receivers and came out of the same draft class. So I understand why you are hating on Bryant. No biggy

Brown is absolutely an above average RB. He's just never healthy.

[Dwaresacksqb]

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Brown is absolutely an above average RB. He's just never healthy.

He's ok. 84 is to high for him. Caddy Williams was a better back he was just even more injury prone.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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He's ok. 84 is to high for him. Caddy Williams was a better back he was just even more injury prone.

Agreed, but the thing is Brown's taken those injuries and still played very good when he's been healthy. Cadillac went from being dynamic as a rookie to being pretty much strictly a 3rd down back now because of the effect of the injuries. Brown has remained a very good runner.

[BigBucs]

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Devin Mcourtey is an 87 ovr. I laugh not to cry. He is a good but a rookie better than Aquib, a player that has performed all 3 seasons in the league. That just goes to show you that you need certain decals on you helmet to get respect. This guy isnt a Bucs fan.

[BigBucs]

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Agreed, but the thing is Brown's taken those injuries and still played very good when he's been healthy. Cadillac went from being dynamic as a rookie to being pretty much strictly a 3rd down back now because of the effect of the injuries. Brown has remained a very good runner.

We ran Caddy into the ground his rookie season. He was our offense with QBs like Chris Simms and Bruce Gradkowski at the helm. For an offensive guru Gruden did nothing with our O. We have a better offense in 2 years after Gruden is gone than he had in his whole tenure.

[Dwaresacksqb]

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Agreed, but the thing is Brown's taken those injuries and still played very good when he's been healthy. Cadillac went from being dynamic as a rookie to being pretty much strictly a 3rd down back now because of the effect of the injuries. Brown has remained a very good runner.

I agree with that but he is on the decline now. He played in all 16 games last season and mustered a 3.7 average.....average. Blount on the other hand is on his way up and put together a better season then Ronnie Brown ever has. Blount 81 Brown 84? Idk seems a little screwy. I like Brown I do but he just happened to be a running back I quickly spotted who was rated to high. In the crossfire I guess.

[saintsyadig]

I think Roman Harper's hit power should be a lil higher. He had 6 forced fumbles last year. I'm excited to have 2 fast linebackers in Casillas and Wilson. Is a 90 speed for Jabari asking too much?

[mazinkaiser]

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Devin Mcourtey is an 87 ovr. I laugh not to cry. He is a good but a rookie better than Aquib, a player that has performed all 3 seasons in the league. That just goes to show you that you need certain decals on you helmet to get respect. This guy isnt a Bucs fan.

The more I think about it, the more I am sure that I am passing on madden this year.

I was looking forward to the bucs finally getting good ratings after last season and then the bucs end up getting the shaft. Even in his prime, Ronde always got screwed in the ratings and now he's even slower on madden you might as well bury him at the bottom of the depth chart.

If I played offline on franchise mode I probably would enjoy this game, but I only play online and I know that I'll get abused using the bucs. The deal breaker for me this year is that if the offensive user quick snaps the ball you have time to make one defensive presnap adjustment at most and I'm sure a lot of eagles users will quick snap so that the other guy on D won't have time to set up a contain and spy.

[infemous]

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Tell me about it man. And the worst part about it is the guy has nobody to answer too. He can give anyone any rating he wants with no justification. Its painfully evident he doesnt take his craft seriously and do the research required for such a task. He had an extended offseason to get these ratings correct by using the gamefilm the NFL provides him to correctly asess the players.

Its clear that the job is overwhelming the guy or he is flat out incometent, the latter more than likely. They need to bring 3 more people on to help him. Each person should be assigned 2 divisions apiece that doesnt contain their favorite team and we would see much a much better job than this crap. No reason why 1 man should be assigned ratings for the entire league. Its human nature to just stop caring at some point when your have to go over film (which I doubt he does) statistics etc.... for nearly 2000 players and have them all be accurate. Donny Moore is nothing more than an ESPN drone.

I really dont want to get into the Bryant vs Williams issue but based on play on the field their ratings shouldnt be that close. I know the guy was hurt but Aqib Talib was out 5 games and played lights out but still managed to get shafted. Bryant had an ok season and still gets overrated while Mike Williams and Blount are arguably the 2 best offensive rookies in the league and get rated terribly in comparison.

Blount has over 1000 yards rushing starting only 7 games and is an 81 ovr. Bryant has under 600 yards receiving and is an 83. Makes 0 sense.

Dude. That is EXACTLY what I have been saying. EXACTLY.

I linked a thread in my sig about Madden Ratings needing a TEAM.

Please lend it some weight, currently people are just moaning at how awful Donny is without offering a way out.
I think Donny is as incompetent as you do, but I understand that I wouldn't be able to do a better job purely because I'd get bored, the workload is mad.
EA with their resources shouldn't leave such a vital aspect of the game in the control of one person with limited football knowledge (you want proof look at him make a football statement on twitter and be proved wrong almost immediately...) EA need to support their product and not make it so painfully obvious that they don't care.

[s38s38s]

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We ran Caddy into the ground his rookie season. He was our offense with QBs like Chris Simms and Bruce Gradkowski at the helm. For an offensive guru Gruden did nothing with our O. We have a better offense in 2 years after Gruden is gone than he had in his whole tenure.

Perhaps, but he got ya'll a ring...just saying.

Also to those complaining about Ronde, dudes what 36 years old...how fast do you want him to be? The Buccs run a Cov 2 zone scheme, and the games I see vs Carolina 2x a year in nickel situations Ronde plays inside (protecting him from being beat deep). I'm sure his zone coverage is high (91 zone, 94 press) because at this point in his career that's what he excels at, and that is why he can still play in the Buccs defense. He guards space well, in man coverage yeah he's a liability.

If I'm a Buccs user I'd suggest perfecting what your team is designed to do...play zone defense. When you need to go man Talib (89 man, 92 zone, 90) can lock down a number one, use a package sub to put Biggers (94 speed, 73 man) at the #2 DB spot so you have two big DB's with speed and great/servicable man coverage. Use that D-Line with McCoy, Bowers, and Clayborn to generate some pressure with their combo of 94, 91, 90 PMV.

The overalls may be a little skewed for your team, but any seasoned Madden fans knows that overalls are simply for show, and so the CPU can assess the depth chart. If you play to this teams strength on offense and defense, you would be fine online in OLF's etc. Now having starting rookies come in low ovr for OLF's is tough (that's why I delay our OLF start a full month). But this team has speed at LB, three beast D-Lineman, a good mixture of man/zone/press/speed at DB, to go along with solid safeties.

Offensively you can lean on Blount and change the pace with Huggins, your WR's Williams, and Benn have high beat press so if someone is foolish enough to press you'll win your share of battles and pick up nice gains after beating the press. If they have to play off the quick slants are there, with Winslow he's still a good mismatch especially while using package subs in the shotgun where he lines up in the slot in split backs.

As a homer (Carolina fan), I know what it's like to want more for your team, but this is a solid team for a good player when you play to their strengths especially given zone defense is improved.