Draft Logic

[Dingo72]

Re: Draft Logic

If Cam wasn't labeled FRANCHISE QB by the team, then draft logic would definately draft a QB #1. EA stated that teams will not do that if they have a labeled FRANCHISE QB. Obviously, CAM didn't get labeled that and we know why. Draft Logic may not be that broken.

[northface28]

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And I would be willing to bet, dont want to take the time to look it up with UFC 134 starting, that no team has has a offensive rookie of the year and been bad enough for the first overall. So evaluating a video game scenario with real life standards only works if the components are the same. Otherwise you are demanding dynamic thinking from a computer AI.

And now that I did look it up the Broncos took RBs in 2000 and 2002 both of whom were rookies of the year. While not back to back and not QBs its close enough that closing it out completly doesnt really seem reasonable when judging the merits of the game's draft logic.

Were the RBs no 1 overall picks? Highly doubt it.

[Dogslax41]

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What? How is this not an example of broken draft logic or a weak point in franchise mode?

It's a glaring example.

This isn't broken. People keep using the term broken. 8-10 qbs in a round is broken. 1 qb that is probably rated higher than the qb on the roster going to the same team that took a qb in the first the previous year is not idea but is in no way broken. its perfectly understandable with binary coding for something like this to happen in my opinion. But fact is that this is not broken draft logic it's just not ideal.

[JohnDoe8865]

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Were the RBs no 1 overall picks? Highly doubt it.

Ofcourse they weren't. Anyone defending the draft logic here needs to step out of the clouds and step back into reality.

[Dogslax41]

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Were the RBs no 1 overall picks? Highly doubt it.

They weren't but what would it matter. What we are talking about is a team using a high draft pick that basically nullifies a recent previous pick because they see an upgrade possible at the same position.

[northface28]

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I hope you're not labeling me as one of the apologists. I've been pretty outspoken on this board about my issues with the game, and this, given the circumstance of him being a ROY, is a huge problem.

I was just trying to say that if he sucks in this year IRL, I could definitely see them taking Luck if they have the #1 pick. If he shows any potential, they won't be taking another QB.

Using this logic, had the Colts had the 1st ovr pick in 1999, they shouldve taken Tim Couch @ QB since Peyton Manning had a poor rookie season.

[northface28]

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They weren't but what would it matter. What we are talking about is a team using a high draft pick that basically nullifies a recent previous pick because they see an upgrade possible at the same position.

Lol, what does it matter? It matters a great deal. A high pick and the No 1 overall pick are different. If Luck fell to the teens and Carolina took him, you could sell me that. But no 1 overall? No way, nothing you say can convince me otherwise.

[ggsimmonds]

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What? How is this not an example of broken draft logic or a weak point in franchise mode?

It's a glaring example. Read youALREADYknow's post's 3rd paragraph.

It is an example of this being a videogame. You want draft logic that is a perfect replica of real life. You are not getting it anytime soon.

[northface28]

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It is an example of this being a videogame. You want draft logic that is a perfect replica of real life. You are not getting it anytime soon.

I see your angle, but EA touted this as (draft logic) fixed. This is why many are concerned.

[khaliib]

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If Cam wasn't labeled FRANCHISE QB by the team, then draft logic would definately draft a QB #1. EA stated that teams will not do that if they have a labeled FRANCHISE QB.

Beat me to it.

I would say try and edit Cam to be designated as a Franchise QB and see if they draft another QB in the 1st round.

A team will do a Draft-n-Trade if that guy is the Top Player in the draft.
Even if it's a position you've drafted in 1st round the year before.

Sometimes you can get more by taking a guy that some teams despirately need vs doing a straight Draft Pick swap.

You would be amazed at the Chess games that go on during a Draft.

I've heard coach's tell me that they've drafted a guy just so he wouldn't go to a team in their division, especially QB's as the success of the season are built around these guys. (including back-ups).

The issue is that the Draft Logic might not be programmed to operate in such a manner.

I'll have to take a deeper look into the effect of the designations on Draft Logic for myself.

[ggsimmonds]

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I see your angle, but EA touted this as (draft logic) fixed. This is why many are concerned.

It may be improved but at the moment I think it needs to be patched. The Panthers drafting Luck is not a problem for me. Non vital positions being drafted early is a problem though.

[ggsimmonds]

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Beat me to it.

I would say try and edit Cam to be designated as a Franchise QB and see if they draft another QB in the 1st round.

A team will do a Draft-n-Trade if that guy is the Top Player in the draft.
Even if it's a position you've drafted in 1st round the year before.

Sometimes you can get more by taking a guy that some teams despirately need vs doing a straight Draft Pick swap.

You would be amazed at the Chess games that go on during a Draft.

I've heard coach's tell me that they've drafted a guy just so he wouldn't go to a team in their division, especially QB's as the success of the season are built around these guys. (including back-ups).

The issue is that the Draft Logic might not be programmed to operate in such a manner.

I'll have to take a deeper look into the effect of the designations on Draft Logic for myself.

Are you sure you can edit a player to be a franchise QB? I have not seen any way to edit player roles.
I would think Cam would be labled franchise QB but if he is not that makes me wonder what determines the title.

[northface28]

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It may be improved but at the moment I think it needs to be patched. The Panthers drafting Luck is not a problem for me. Non vital positions being drafted early is a problem though.

Agreed, no reason why both cant be fixed.

[Andrews85]

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And I would be willing to bet, dont want to take the time to look it up with UFC 134 starting, that no team has has a offensive rookie of the year and been bad enough for the first overall. So evaluating a video game scenario with real life standards only works if the components are the same. Otherwise you are demanding dynamic thinking from a computer AI.

And now that I did look it up the Broncos took RBs in 2000 and 2002 both of whom were rookies of the year. While not back to back and not QBs its close enough that closing it out completly doesnt really seem reasonable when judging the merits of the game's draft logic.

Neither RB's were drafted in the 1st Round.

Mike Anderson was drafted in the 6th round and won ORoTY in 2000 (same year he was drafted).

"He was plagued by injuries in the following years, not even playing in 2004, the result of tearing both groin muscles while blocking on a punt return in the waning moments of a meaningless preseason game."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Anderson_%28running_back%29

Clinton Portis was drafted in the 2nd round and won ORoTY in 2002 (same year he was drafted).

He was probably only drafted because Anderson was injuried so much.

[Andrews85]

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It is an example of this being a videogame. You want draft logic that is a perfect replica of real life. You are not getting it anytime soon.

I agree it will never be perfect, but to me and many others its a huge issue.