Since when is switching to the WR.DB closes to the ball not sim.

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  • raiders81tim
    Pro
    • Jul 2009
    • 585

    #1

    Since when is switching to the WR.DB closes to the ball not sim.

    Am I the only one who thinks this is absolutely nuts. I remember back when it was required in sim leagues. Why not just let the AI run and pass the ball for you while you're at it?
  • Ricanlegend
    Rookie
    • Feb 2007
    • 278

    #2
    Re: Since when is switching to the WR.DB closes to the ball not sim.

    People with no skills are the one that dont switch they dont got the stick
    Skills as we do , I always switch to to my wr to make the catch and on defense I love switching to the defender and start yelling cookies when I get the user pick lol
    Last edited by Ricanlegend; 09-06-2011, 01:38 AM.

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    • bichettehappens
      MVP
      • Jun 2010
      • 2547

      #3
      I could see why it would have been considered not sim back when rocket catching was a huge issue. These days though I feel switching, especially to a WR, makes it MORE sim since the CPU WR will not aggressively make a play on the ball while the CB will

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      • Cre8
        Banned
        • Jan 2011
        • 1587

        #4
        Re: Since when is switching to the WR.DB closes to the ball not sim.

        Most of this has to do with the fact that there is rarely pass interference called.

        Most people take this stuff so seriously that it pretty much makes me a non-online sports gamer. Either they are arcady and go for it on 4th and 18 from their own 12 or they get mad when I control my players or something else silly.

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        • bichettehappens
          MVP
          • Jun 2010
          • 2547

          #5
          Originally posted by Cre8
          Most of this has to do with the fact that there is rarely pass interference called.
          aren't the majority of PI calls that are made, however few that may be, the result of user control?

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          • Cre8
            Banned
            • Jan 2011
            • 1587

            #6
            Re: Since when is switching to the WR.DB closes to the ball not sim.

            Originally posted by bichettehappens
            aren't the majority of PI calls that are made, however few that may be, the result of user control?
            Yeah, I guess my point is that the gameplay doesn't really give any sort of real 'sim' playability when that is in-fact the case.

            I think a lot of people are a bit obsessed with "This is sim, that is sim."
            It is sad that people have forgotten how to have a good time playing a game.

            My biggest issue with this game is the weather in Franchise Mode. Otherwise, I think the sim argument is subjective... at best.

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            • oneamongthefence
              Nothing to see here folks
              • Apr 2009
              • 5683

              #7
              Re: Since when is switching to the WR.DB closes to the ball not sim.

              Since they added locomotion and acceleration, eliminated the suction, and took out a lot of warping user catching is fine. It used to result in rocket catching and wrs warping to the ball. Its less of a problem now than it was before.
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              • carnalnirvana
                Pro
                • Jan 2007
                • 1981

                #8
                Re: Since when is switching to the WR.DB closes to the ball not sim.

                I DONT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, however, wecomplain that the cpu makes blind spidey sense plays on the ball...

                which is what we do with defenders breaking off other coverage,routes to catch passes
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                • TNT713
                  Banned
                  • May 2004
                  • 2043

                  #9
                  Re: Since when is switching to the WR.DB closes to the ball not sim.

                  "SIM" is a made up term to make people feel good about how they play football when they are playing Madden. It doesn't actually MEAN ANYTHING.

                  Case in point... Some people don't think it's SIM to use motion. It has nothing to do with what happens in the NFL. The NFL uses plenty of motion. It has everything to do with their skill level and ability to deal with concepts that simulate the NFL. The more often you see someone post about the AI being the reason something is/isn't "SIM" the more likely they are to be beaten by players that actually simulate NFL style play.

                  In the broadest sense of the game, switching to a different defender is NOT a simulation ability. Real people can't possess the bodies of others. But on the flip side of that same coin, every play in the NFL is a USER PLAY. The difference is that there are 22 different users on the field at a time in real life, while Madden only allows up to 6.

                  To strike a balance and allow every play to be a USER play, video games must allow us to 'switch'

                  The reason we're still debating this 9 years after online play began is because some people don't want to control ANYTHING while others want to control EVERYTHING. Then they beat their chest about how "SIM" they are and point fingers at how others aren't...

                  Switching is SIM and not SIM at the same time... Not that it matters. Moot point. No sense in debating it. It's not the type of argument practical players would engage in.

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                  • Gotmadskillzson
                    Live your life
                    • Apr 2008
                    • 23442

                    #10
                    Re: Since when is switching to the WR.DB closes to the ball not sim.

                    "Sim" has become a bad dirty word on OS that is made fun of everyday on this website. My how the world has changed.

                    I guess next year, "Hyperbole" would be the word that gets made fun of on here too.

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                    • Skyboxer
                      Donny Baseball!
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 20302

                      #11
                      Re: Since when is switching to the WR.DB closes to the ball not sim.

                      SMH at the "No Skills" comments.
                      It had more to do with the rocket catches thad made user catching waaay to easy.
                      VS CPU it's abuse as the CPU doesn't combat the player switching and the bursting to the ball. User vs user it's not that big of a problem any longer and is just a user preference.

                      Also a lot of people like the "coaching" aspect and want the players ratings to matter more than the "Stick Skills". So again it's user preference and yes the term "Sim" has been way overdone just like the "game is broken" comments.
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                      • NoTrouble
                        Banned
                        • Apr 2011
                        • 94

                        #12
                        Re: Since when is switching to the WR.DB closes to the ball not sim.

                        after playing a guy who picked the Falcons and would drop back 15 yards, throw a bomb pass, and proceed to do a jumping over the head grab on DBs repeatedly I have to say that sometimes it's pretty ridiculous.

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                        • twimstaxs
                          Banned
                          • Aug 2011
                          • 315

                          #13
                          Re: Since when is switching to the WR.DB closes to the ball not sim.

                          Originally posted by NoTrouble
                          after playing a guy who picked the Falcons and would drop back 15 yards, throw a bomb pass, and proceed to do a jumping over the head grab on DBs repeatedly I have to say that sometimes it's pretty ridiculous.
                          First of all what Defense were you using, and secondly you must be really bad at defense when you allow that. YOu should have blitzed him and there would have been no way he would have time to drop back 15 yards and bomb it down field. NO WAY!

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                          • NoTrouble
                            Banned
                            • Apr 2011
                            • 94

                            #14
                            Re: Since when is switching to the WR.DB closes to the ball not sim.

                            Originally posted by twimstaxs
                            First of all what Defense were you using, and secondly you must be really bad at defense when you allow that. YOu should have blitzed him and there would have been no way he would have time to drop back 15 yards and bomb it down field. NO WAY!
                            Stop making excuses for poor game mechanics.

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                            • bkrich83
                              Has Been
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 71582

                              #15
                              Re: Since when is switching to the WR.DB closes to the ball not sim.

                              Originally posted by raiders81tim
                              Am I the only one who thinks this is absolutely nuts. I remember back when it was required in sim leagues. Why not just let the AI run and pass the ball for you while you're at it?
                              First I have heard of this.
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