NHL 12 - Canadiens vs. Penguins (Full Game)

**FBeaule04** · 09-07-2011, 02:35 PM

Re: NHL 12 - Canadiens vs. Penguins (Full Game)

Originally posted by pennywise

But he's saying the AI played it correctly by leaving the puck carrier to do as he pleases while taking out the potential pass recipient aggressively. That's just plain wrong.

If I'm wrong on what he meant then I apologize, but that's what I get from reading his comment.

Ok, I'll say it differently. The common word from the keeper is this : "Leave me the shooter, make sure the pass can't get through".

If that means letting the shooter do anything with the puck, he's right, as long you keep your body in position to cut a pass to the other guy and then an open net for the shooter an unavailable option.

I understand that there's not much gray area in Rogie's line, but beeing a D while growing up, what you should read to it is what I said above. You can do what you can to make the shooter not getting in a comfort zone, as long you don't allow the pass.

Because if you do, you're in the video room with the team next morning and shown on the TV as the : "What not to do on a odd-man rush!"

**BobSacamano** · 09-07-2011, 02:42 PM

Re: NHL 12 - Canadiens vs. Penguins (Full Game)

On the faceoff after the first Montreal goal, the Penguins' D-Man does that horrible "skate to the boards and fire a blind pass backwards, right on the guy's tape."

Hopefully that can be tuned/patched out. Same with the D logic in general, which was totally bizarre on the two Montreal goals. Does the aggression slider help at all?

**Rogie Vachon** · 09-07-2011, 02:42 PM

Re: NHL 12 - Canadiens vs. Penguins (Full Game)

Thanks FB,....

I`m not trying to be an arse,......just trying to pass along nuggets of gold.
If I had a dollar for every time I saw it "coached" wrong.

In the real world it`s even worse,.....no video game physics to bail out the defence.

It`s like a few other things,...like playing the puck,....coaches these days try to get goalies in the minor hockey system to try to play the puck too much,to be part of a transition game.....but they do it at too young an age when the goalies aren`t quite at the level of proficiency for it.
This even goes up into junior hockey.
Yes,it`s nice to get some help from your goalie,...but you can`t really work it into a breakout style,....because you`re going to have your goalie give up bad goals,for very little reward on the risks.

Same thing with maybe throwing out the puck,instead of getting whistles......

Sometimes coaches just aren`t in the game man,.......like I`m going to listen to a coach who can`t even be awake enough to get the door open and an extra attaacker out on a delayed penalty?
Believe me,.....I see this type of stuff day in day out,year after year,.....and it makes me shake my head.

Howie Meeker too,...just shakin his head.

**FBeaule04** · 09-07-2011, 02:49 PM

Re: NHL 12 - Canadiens vs. Penguins (Full Game)

Originally posted by Rogie Vachon

Thanks FB,....

I`m not trying to be an arse,......just trying to pass along nuggets of gold.
If I had a dollar for every time I saw it "coached" wrong.

In the real world it`s even worse,.....no video game physics to bail out the defence.

No problem Rogie. It's just in the same bag as the breakaway in that game. People not following hockey would thought that it's easy to score on a breakaway in the NHL.

The best player in the NHL for long was Jussi Jokinnen and he was just over 50% after 2 years of shootout inception. One of the best hands in the league, Pavel Datsyuk was 48% in the same 2 seasons.

So, assuming that it's easy to score on a breakaway in the game is distorted by the inept goalies in NHL 11 to react to dekes and simple moves. EA could defend saying that the save % rate when you take a shot on a breakaway without deking is close to 100%! :-)

**plaidchuck** · 09-07-2011, 02:49 PM

Re: NHL 12 - Canadiens vs. Penguins (Full Game)

Either way you can't defend those player goals.. just sad.. The second is even worse, some NHL 09 stuff right there.

**FBeaule04** · 09-07-2011, 02:54 PM

Re: NHL 12 - Canadiens vs. Penguins (Full Game)

Originally posted by plaidchuck

Either way you can't defend those player goals.. just sad.. The second is even worse, some NHL 09 stuff right there.

I agree, AI was a problem in every title but to me, it's just getting worse. The videos from Chase just scares me about what will happen.

I'm about stopping to fight against the AI and play the game controlling every player on the ice on my side, and make the AI play the toughest they can on the other side with the sliders.

Maybe it's impossible to replicate a scheme for a hockey game. Maybe I'm just asking too much from the AI and I should be thankful to have at least something that looks like hockey.

Maybe asking Hal Gill to play like Bobby Orr is an error to begin with!

**Section_25** · 09-07-2011, 03:53 PM

Re: NHL 12 - Canadiens vs. Penguins (Full Game)

OUCH ..... Fleury should have had that last goal

Thanks for uploading Chase...

**Money99** · 09-07-2011, 03:56 PM

Re: NHL 12 - Canadiens vs. Penguins (Full Game)

Originally posted by Section_25

OUCH ..... Fleury should have had that last goal

Thanks for uploading Chase...

Yup, he need to stay tight to that post. But I was happy to see it wasn't a regular 'top-shelf' goal. It snuck between his trapper and leg pad. Nice to see.

I don't mind goalies being a bit weak because if you're in tight with time and space, a good shooter should be able to capitalize most of the time.

**jemens** · 09-07-2011, 04:04 PM

I like the idea to bump Def Awareness for one of the team ( everybody to 99) and everybody to 50 for the other team. Replay the game and see what's the effect of that rating on the gameplay.

**ChaseB** · 09-07-2011, 04:18 PM

Re: NHL 12 - Canadiens vs. Penguins (Full Game)

Yeah I thought there were a couple cool goals here. I wish the physics engine worked in such a way where Gionta would go crashing into the boards while sliding on his gut after that third goal.

**Flamesfan102** · 09-07-2011, 05:03 PM

Re: NHL 12 - Canadiens vs. Penguins (Full Game)

Chase, I have a request:
Can the next game you post be of the Calgary Flames vs Edmonton Oilers?

**ChaseB** · 09-07-2011, 06:34 PM

Re: NHL 12 - Canadiens vs. Penguins (Full Game)

Originally posted by Flamesfan102

Chase, I have a request:
Can the next game you post be of the Calgary Flames vs Edmonton Oilers?

It will be Wild vs. Oilers tomorrow...so half the request is met.

**savoie2006** · 09-07-2011, 07:18 PM

Re: NHL 12 - Canadiens vs. Penguins (Full Game)

Originally posted by jemens

I like the idea to bump Def Awareness for one of the team ( everybody to 99) and everybody to 50 for the other team. Replay the game and see what's the effect of that rating on the gameplay.

This would depend on slider settings as the game is not totally dependant on Attributes. This is why I don't see the fuss and desire to change Attributes. Sliders effect the game as much if not more so. If you tweak a players Attributes and you edit your sliders afterwards, it was all for not really.

**etheberge** · 09-07-2011, 07:23 PM

Re: NHL 12 - Canadiens vs. Penguins (Full Game)

Originally posted by Section_25

OUCH ..... Fleury should have had that last goal

We're used to having Fleury letting in softies against Montreal, usually game winners too. I for one applaud EA on their efforts towards realism :-)

And 3 stars presentation is definitely gone. That sucks.

**ChrisDanger** · 09-07-2011, 07:29 PM

Re: NHL 12 - Canadiens vs. Penguins (Full Game)

I'm going to have to trade for that Pasquali Dupuis. He's a machine.

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