FIFA 12 Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here (360, PS3, PC)

[JBlaze420]

Re: FIFA 12 Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here (360, PS3, PC)

having alot of trouble embedding the video but heres my volley with alexis sanchez from an overhead pass... played on world class

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[Matt10]

Re: FIFA 12 Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here (360, PS3, PC)

The main issue here is the defensive pressure on both CPU and HUM. When a ball is passed to your striker, he should be INSTANTLY pressured, physically - sometimes even double teamed. This is not the case, you see all the videos that people post, and it is so easy to pass to the players, they get open way to easily. Watch real footie, and notice how hard it is to gather a ball in the defensive third - sometimes even higher than that.

This is why it seems the game plays so fast and "fluid" for all the wrong reasons. There is no sense of pressure. EA have to get into the mind of the defender, because no matter what - the defender does not want the ball to even reach the foot of the attacker if he (the defender) has more than a 20% chance of getting near the ball.

[woody2goody]

Re: FIFA 12 Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here (360, PS3, PC)

I put the difficulty down to semi-pro so see what it was like and I have to say it was better, but the CPU defenders went from sprinting all over the place to not sprinting until I was already 5 yards in front of them.

This is a much better level for CPU passing realism, as in my Barcelona vs Milan game, I had only my second possession advantage so far, and the CPU's passing accuracy was down to 75%.

EA have never been able to get difficulty curves right and again it seems that Semi-Pro will be too easy and Pro will be too hard.

I'm still getting the game on release day but they really need to sort some things out otherwise I won't play a great deal of single player.

[JBlaze420]

Re: FIFA 12 Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here (360, PS3, PC)

I think once you really adjust to how the tactical defensive scheme works, it will become much more of a fluid game. When i first played the demo i was scrambling around trying to get the ball, but i learned to be patient and really wait for the right opportunity.


On a side note..can someone tell me how the embed is supposed to work, when i copied the code and pasted it, it came up as an adobe flash icon, and wouldnt load the video when i previewed the post.

[Matt10]

Re: FIFA 12 Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here (360, PS3, PC)

The main issue here is the defensive pressure on both CPU and HUM. When a ball is passed to your striker, he should be INSTANTLY pressured, physically - sometimes even double teamed. This is not the case, you see all the videos that people post, and it is so easy to pass to the players, they get open way to easily. Watch real footie, and notice how hard it is to gather a ball in the defensive third - sometimes even higher than that.

This is why it seems the game plays so fast and "fluid" for all the wrong reasons. There is no sense of pressure. EA have to get into the mind of the defender, because no matter what - the defender does not want the ball to even reach the foot of the attacker if he (the defender) has more than a 20% chance of getting near the ball.

I made a quick comparison video here. It should illustrate what I"m talking about. notice the stop and start in the first video, and see how the defensive pressure casues this despite having a low defensive line by Brazil. It took real creativity to somewhat break them down.

Second video is FIFA, look how much space the receiver gets, still has time to dribble without going backwards. It's too easy to pass into the lanes, the defenders don't cover well enough - and this is against Man City.

Notice the speed of the matches as well, the ball is not glued to players IRL, in FIFA it's a thread from ball to man.

It's the little things that EA needs to look at, there has to be a sense of nervousness when someone a player is dribbling, because any wrong touch could mean a mishap - that's how it is for even the professionals; same goes with the passing. It needs to stop being so mindless passing - there needs to be strategy.

Why EA can't figure this out is beyond me, it took me 2 mins to find a clip that represents the game IRL, what is hard about matching it?

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I love FIFA though, I always will. I think it's the right direction, I look forward to using sliders - and I hope that saves the game for me. Till then, it's just not matching the real life counterpart.

[sars973]

Re: FIFA 12 Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here (360, PS3, PC)

For defending I still haven't completely figured it out. Sometimes I just manually contain a player using L2, sometimes bring a second defender over with R1, sometimes try standing tackles, and sometimes use the contain feature with X.

It seems like most times I'm just waiting for the ai to make a mistake in order to win the ball, very rarely can I go and just steal it away.

I also thought it was bad at first that the ai just contains you, giving you way more time on the ball. But it's actually better than 11 where you were instantly pressured. It's easier to hold the ball, look for open space or an open man, switch play to the other side of the field, etc. But sometimes it's too easy, like there were quite a few times where the ai let me basically walk into the box with aguero and didn't even pressure me at all.

[Bahnzo]

Re: FIFA 12 Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here (360, PS3, PC)

I hear you. I love how defending feels for my user controlled player and I think the changes will really help in the long run, especially in head-to-head and OTP. However, the off the ball defending by my teammates feels too lax. I don't think it's far off from being a good balance, so perhaps the final build will address this. Plus, the man marking slider may help with this for offline play.

Yeah, it's possible the sliders may help. But since I buy FIFA mostly for online play....no help there.

It's definitely a step in the right direction, they just went too far and over compensated (surprise!). The new defending really had the opportunity to make a positive step forward, but failing to make your teammates defend is a terrible oversight.

[lnin0]

Re: FIFA 12 Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here (360, PS3, PC)

Man, I just can't get used to the new defending. I changed the buttons around to make it a bit more comfortable, but I really think EA has swung to far.

What FIFA has now would be great, if your AI teammates played good defense as well. But they don't. They sit back, lay off and loosely contain. There's no tight marking, no defending passes, no tackles, nothing. Because of this the CPU can pass around pretty much at will. I tried even using the "High Pressure" Quick Tactic, and it really changes nothing.

I was having more luck with it last night. I did change up and move CPU player contain to the face buttons because it works much better for playing defense. However, I get why they put it on right bumper, because more than once the cpu contain turned into an errant pass when there was a fast turnover. You are holding that button a lot on defense and it can quickly turn on you. Still, its a compromise worth making because its just much easier to use with sprint.

So what I have been doing is using CPU contain to track the ball carrier while I move a second defender into position to take away the pass. Then manually switch and you will be up on the ball ready to make a play and the CPU will be in a better position to provide help. So you can get similar pressure with CPU help as you did in 11 but now it is up to user to take control and actually make the play.

[nccomicfan]

Re: FIFA 12 Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here (360, PS3, PC)

I guess I'm in the minority, but I'm just not feeling it.I'm not seeing creativity..I'm not seeing the game I love to watch and I'm not seeing a beautiful game for sure

New D...fine I guess but the impact engine looks like Max Payne

I'm still seeing the same ways to the goal.. the same stuff year in year out

Unfortunately, FIFA isn't a series you can buy an old version unless you like outdated rosters and obsolete kits.

Been pre-ordered for months and now I honestly just don't know if I can plunk down 60 bucks on a game I have a gut feeling I'll chuck the length of my apartment in frustration before too long

[Moses Shuttlesworth]

Re: FIFA 12 Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here (360, PS3, PC)

One thing I love about the collision:

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[tmac55]

Re: FIFA 12 Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here (360, PS3, PC)

After spending two days playing at least a dozen or so games, I have to say that I prefer trying the new tactical system over using the legacy controls. My best advice to people who don't like this system would be to be patient and use your own player to contain and when the player gets close let your cpu teammate do the rest.

This could be the future of defending to multitask on the field, instead of committing two guys to one player all the time with the legacy press system. It will take a bit to learn; however, this could be interesting with sliders.

Love the shot selection, the collisions and the ball physics seem more realistic. It is not perfect by any means, but it's a step in the right direction and feels like a new game.

I hope the crowd is more active in the full version. Seems really lame when goals are scored.

[thiel82]

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Maybe it is just the way I play, but it feels like I'm being switched to the wrong guy all the time, especially on defense.

Speaking of D- when I'm playing up field on offense and the opponent gets the ball and tries to break out, my defenders refuse to do anything. It's both my midfielders and defenders. The ball could be right in front of them, and they won't go after it.

I really want to like this game after the turd EA's laid so far in 2011. FIFA always seems to get the most life in my console out of any EA game. The demo plays more natural in my opinion, and I know that's what EA was shooting for with the new collision system. I just with my guys wouldn't stand around clueless.

[ezio]

Re: FIFA 12 Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here (360, PS3, PC)

I guess I'm in the minority, but I'm just not feeling it.I'm not seeing creativity..I'm not seeing the game I love to watch and I'm not seeing a beautiful game for sure

New D...fine I guess but the impact engine looks like Max Payne

I'm still seeing the same ways to the goal.. the same stuff year in year out

Unfortunately, FIFA isn't a series you can buy an old version unless you like outdated rosters and obsolete kits.

Been pre-ordered for months and now I honestly just don't know if I can plunk down 60 bucks on a game I have a gut feeling I'll chuck the length of my apartment in frustration before too long

I agree with you. I don't like it either.

[kmaxhokie]

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Maybe it is just the way I play, but it feels like I'm being switched to the wrong guy all the time, especially on defense.

I always change auto switching from ON to Only Balls in the Air. It allows me to decide when to change my defender when they are passing the ball around me but still allows the game to give me the main defender during the cross. I feel as if it gives me more control of the game.

[sventheone]

Re: FIFA 12 Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here (360, PS3, PC)

I'm still happy with the gameplay after several more games today. Someone mentioned the max Payne physics earlier. Right after I read that my striker was taken out by a defender and the rag doll physics were crazy. Limbs everywhere all contorted and everything. Hope they tone this down a bit.