FIFA 12 Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here (360, PS3, PC)

[Whitesox]

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So no, it's not an excuse, it's the truth. I dont care if you've played soccer all your life because if you've played it poorly, then what does that matter? This game is too short to judge, but in the 3 minutes we get it represents the game of football much better than PES, where passes and shots seem pre-determined.

You are free to have your opinion on the comparison between the two games; the mods obviously don't want us debating it, even in a civil manner.

But to tell someone that they don't understand the game because they've never played- or worse yet- because they played poorly is just wrong. It doesn't take a professional playing career to understand and appreciate Barca's play. If he's not seeing it, it isn't because he is a bad soccer player.

[2slik]

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My issue isn't the controlling -- actually, that is one things that I've always felt was done well.

It's the simple fact that Fifa as a game does not pose any real strategic soccer gameplay to me. Case and point is the "Tactical defending" in Fifa vs "Hold-Up Possession" in PES. I have yet to see the CPU in the Fifa demo pass the ball back and look for a different run or option on offense. It's the same cards played almost every time and it gets old quickly.

I love the fact that this sport has competition in the video game realm -- I just have simply found my soccer nirvana elsewhere. =)

The "Hold up Possesion" in PES has got to be one of the crappiest things to ever be invented. The CPU NEVER take risks. It's like playing against England with Terry and Ferdinand playing 30 passes between each other before deciding to play it forward.

[slthree]

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Thank you for the comic relief.

You have said enough for me to realize you have NO credibility at all on the subject.

Have a nice day.

It's a defemce mechanism, eh? When you play a sport you simple understand things that the every day person, who simply watches it from the couch doesnt. Many people here are claiming that there is no feel... yet to me, Barca plays like barca -- numerous passes, using the lines, inside out, etc... no other team in the demo plays like that. So if you play holding the speed button all the time, or if Xavi gets the balls you run up to him, he passes it to Iniesta so you run up to him, etc... well, no, then Barca wont play like Barca.

I have never played hockey so in NHL i say i dont like certain things, but friends of mine tell me why certain things happen, and how to adjust, and voila, the game improved dramatically.

So no, it's not an excuse, it's the truth. I dont care if you've played soccer all your life because if you've played it poorly, then what does that matter? This game is too short to judge, but in the 3 minutes we get it represents the game of football much better than PES, where passes and shots seem pre-determined.

[Greene_Flash03]

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The "Hold up Possesion" in PES has got to be one of the crappiest things to ever be invented. The CPU NEVER take risks. It's like playing against England with Terry and Ferdinand playing 30 passes between each other before deciding to play it forward.

Are you sure you're not talking about FIFA here?

I always see CPU in PES taking risks on passes. CPU in PES are not afraid to make a mistake on passes, while in FIFA, it always have to be a direct pass to their teammates. This is also why you don't see offsides in FIFA by CPU because they dont take risks.

[Altimus]

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I'm starting to get the hang of the tackle button but it's still really hard to try to tackle the CPU. They stop, spin, and turn in a heartbeat. It should be tough to take the ball off certain players but when I'm down 0-1 in the 75th the CPU can just pass it around and I can't get close. I think head to head games are going to be really high scoring if everything stays as is.

I really wish EA would rethink how they put out the FIFA demo. For one the time limit is way to short. You can't get any sort of feel for how the AI or pace will be. Secondly, team selection is poor. You've got Barcelona, Arsenal, and Dortmund that have very similar styles. AC Milan and Citeh are similar although Citeh is starting to become more free flowing. Then you have Marseille who play slower. I would love to see a club like Stoke or Napoli/Udinese that play a unique brand of footy. I would also like to see a poor club. Give us a championship side to see if we can tell the difference between a Barca and say a Nottingham Forest. When you select your favorite club they let you see how they differ in terms of tactics but they are nearly identical for all the clubs.

Also, shooting on angles is still a little too easy and it's further compounded with the finesse shots. I think the keepers need to do a better job of closing down those angles.

One thing that has delighted me is I have seen a couple CPU clearances where they couldn't deal with a ball and were forced to either boot it out of play or hoof it down the pitch. A welcome addition IMO. I also love the freedom on headers. I feel like the player movement and impact engine is at it's best then. I've climbed on people's backs, seen elbows to the back, and felt like I've stolen headers from bigger players. One little thing I have always liked in FIFA compared to the other game is when there is an advantage the little yellow icon comes up. Sometimes in the other game the ref is out of the picture and without commentary you can't tell if there's a foul. Crowd and commentary are top notch too.

My biggest issue is that the AI wants to walk in a goal each time they attack. And because of what you mentioned about how easy the computer can just turn and leave you behind, almost happens each time.

I played a couple times today and noticed Dortmund take a couple long range shots which was nice to see. I wish EA would have gone the PES route and given us longer halves. As mentioned, it's impossible to get a true feel for the game.

[Greene_Flash03]

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My biggest issue is that the AI wants to walk in a goal each time they attack. And because of what you mentioned about how easy the computer can just turn and leave you behind, almost happens each time.

I played a couple times today and noticed Dortmund take a couple long range shots which was nice to see. I wish EA would have gone the PES route and given us longer halves. As mentioned, it's impossible to get a true feel for the game.

Thank you.

I agree with the time also, the DEMO was too short.

[Peji911]

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Yup... either that, or you're overmatched.

If you want, I can film me playing against Barca and post it how they constantly create passign shots and Xavi and Iniesta taking shots from outside. Then you can see that it is in fact if you play a proper game or not.


And again, this is a DEMO... you want to critique games for flaws that cant possibly be seen in such a short game, simply stop playing game demos. It's incredible what people today find to criticize.

[electrickeeper]

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Yup... either that, or you're overmatched.

If you want, I can film me playing against Barca and post it how they constantly create passign shots and Xavi and Iniesta taking shots from outside. Then you can see that it is in fact if you play a proper game or not.


And again, this is a DEMO... you want to critique games for flaws that cant possibly be seen in such a short game, simply stop playing game demos. It's incredible what people today find to criticize.

I don't like your criticism of others' criticisms.

(I keed, I keed)

[Panicshade]

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They put demos up so people can try the games out and critique the pros and cons in that version. You say that you can't take anything from a demo as an indication for the full game but the problem is that nowadays that exact thing happens. People find glaring flaws and glitches in the demos that are either never fixed or patched months later with varied success.

[Whitesox]

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And again, this is a DEMO... you want to critique games for flaws that cant possibly be seen in such a short game, simply stop playing game demos. It's incredible what people today find to criticize.

What exactly is the point of a demo in your eyes, then? The onus is on EA one way or another. Hopefully the demo is just too short.

[slthree]

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Well stated Brian.

I actually wanted FIFA12 to be sound tactically because I followed the videos for months. And, I certainly agree that the time spent with the demo and the shortness of the demo does not lend itself to an accurate conclusion of what the retail release will be.

My issue is that I'm an adult with a job and kids and my play time is limited so when I set aside time for a game, I really prefer to get as close to real as possible.

PES has issues that drive me crazy and its not perfect. But, I know what I'm up against based on the team I'm about to play. Spain, Germany, and the US all play differently. Chances are that those differences will be felt by me (the user) more with PES than FIFA.

If I played you on FIFA I would most likely love the game because you would likely use your team's strengths to the fullest. But, I fear thats not the case if I oppose the CPU. If you used England, I'm almost certain you'd be testing my keeper from distance with those great shooting midfielders. But, FIFA doesn't do that.

Only 1 guy (based on his posts I'm guessing he's a child) defends FIFA as tactically sound. And, he has not detailed how. Enough said about him.

As of the writing of this post, not a single person has stated that they have experienced the CPU midfielders attempting a shot.

I don't want to insult the guys who love FIFA. I asked three simple questions early on and none of the answers were positive.

I just opposed Inter in PES and Sniejder hit a screamer from outside the box that terrified me, even though it was deflected. Thats the stuff I'm looking for.

I tend to agree with you about the A.I.'s shortcomings. I would love to see the CPU set me up in a one on one with Ronaldo and go into some tricks or have Messi and Barca slash my D around the box. But I have come to love Fifa and accept this fact: Fifa is an offensive minded game. It's not nearly as strategic as PES, but it is fun. I really enjoy it for what I can do. Be it building up and disecting the D with a through-ball, or getting my sticks twirling to set up a highlight goal. I don't think a lot of Fifa fans are much different than me. Serious Fifa players like playing other human opponents.

I have always loved it because I think it stirkes the perfect balance of the "wow" moments of soccer. It could be better in regards to build up and probing, but we are talking about a game that most people play in two 10-minutes halves. You can't really have a slow pace to the game, or it'll be a whole lot of draws. And the cottage industry of Fifa Highlight reels will die. All jokes aside, I love both games, but Fifa will always be my fave. I like the controls, the graphics (especially this year on PC) and the level of tricks they've added. Sure it's got a bit of Fifa Street in it's heart. But it's a great soccer videogame to me. Warts and all....

P.S. Wait for the CEP guys to get a hold of the PC version. A lot of the flaws will get addressed. They can tweak the gameplay through the .ini files to fix a lot of the niggles, especially the Defensive pressure by AI teamates. But probably not the inherent nature of this being a run and gun style of game. I can't see this game ever being programmed that way . It sells pretty good with the current style of soccer it plays....

[slthree]

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Someone mentioned they would video a game against Barca and someone else said they saw 2 long range shots.

I await those videos.

Were the shots from midfielders or defenders? Maybe, I should give the game more time if they were from positions other than a striker

[Peji911]

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They put demos up so people can try the games out and critique the pros and cons in that version. You say that you can't take anything from a demo as an indication for the full game but the problem is that nowadays that exact thing happens. People find glaring flaws and glitches in the demos that are either never fixed or patched months later with varied success.

I agree 100%, but what Im saying is that demos are limited. We are playing THREE minutes. At least in the PES demo, you can get into the gameplay a bit more. But how are people critiquing certain things based off of 3 minutes of gameplay.. that is beyond me.

[woody2goody]

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I put out a Marseille reserves team against Barcelona who I then chose to control, and I had the worst first half possession out of all the games I've played.

I know it's only a couple of games but it yet again seems that the quality of players doesn't make a heck of a lot of difference to how the computer plays. Like I say though, the full game is where we can make better judgements

[Peji911]

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Outside shots by Iniesta and Xavi are abundant.

On Lever, Kasawa or whatever his name is, has scored 2 fantastic goals from outside the box.

Lucho Gonzalez scored a beautiful curled in shot from the left wing. It's out there. If you play a game, instead of leaving to change teams, just hit restart.. more game time with similar players and it will definitely open your eyes.