Has Watching The NFL This Year Made You Give Madden 12 More Credit?

[Big FN Deal]

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Same credit which wasn't much.

I think the OS review summed it up perfectly. The results... yards, scores, ect. may be realistic, but the way you get to them is far from it. The spacing and timing of Madden is just dead wrong. The lack of proper footwork & engaged player mobility along with the limited number of animations are the main culprits. The defensive play calling system is another major weakness. I can't even play Madden until these things are addressed.

Looking at the videos and info for 2K Baskeball makes it even worse. Those Insights are nothing short of spectacular. As a huge NFL & Madden fan, I can only shake my head as I go another year without playing virtual football.

Reading this I realize I should have included a "Haven't played madden 12 this year" choice. lol

Kind of hard to see what I mean if you don't play Madden 12 and watch NFL this year. This is the first year this gen I feel like a didn't waste $60 on what I thought would be a NFL sim. I agree with everything you stated and much of what was said on OS radio but I would have gladly skipped buying Madden 06-11 in hindsight, not so with Madden 12.

It seems the "Emperor" realized he has on no clothes and is finally dressing. I can't wait to see his whole outfit. lol

[UMhester04]

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Watching real football and playing madden is like watching a documentary and then watching a cartoon parody of that documentary. This sunday for example, I saw linebackers make interceptions, but they didn't have tremendous no look, turn around anticipation of passes like in madden. On sunday I noticed that defenders play either the receiver or the ball... in madden the defenders seem to always know where the ball is. I didn't see one over the shoulder interception sunday but they are the norm in maddden. On sunday I saw penalties both offsetting and ones that are inexplicably absent from madden.

Quite simply anyone can see the glaring differences between the nfl and madden. The kick off from the 35 yard line resulting in higher than 75% touch backs, illegal hit on a defenseless receiver...all missing. I could go on and on. Give madden more credit after watching football... I'd say it's the exact opposite. You can call me a nit picker, but if you make a check list of the things that are simply missing you can't possibly say that madden is true to the game. Is it a reasonable facsimile? Yes, but for all the praise it gets it has to be held accountable for the simplest of details that it gets wrong. If I were going for a world record for the amount of times I could hop on one foot and no one else was allowed to make an attempt.... even if I faltered time and time again I would still be the best for the simple fact that no one else could make an attempt.

The game is good, but anyone following the series and the nfl closely can easily point out the most glaring as well as the most superficial differences. Is madden a true representation of the nfl... depends on what your perception of reality is and what you are willing to accept. I myself expect more from a company that has been making the same product for more than 2 decades and they should hold themselves to a higher standard as well.

Well said.

[BlackJackRabbit]

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Watching the NFL doesn't make me give Madden more credit. Game-play wise, I don't really compare the two because that's simply unrealistic. Presentation wise, watching the NFL makes me hate Madden even more. The game has improved; there's no denying that, but the presentation is a slap in the face to consumers at this stage of the game. The commentary is hard to listen to.

As it stands, I haven't played Madden since the first week of getting it. It's just boring. The technology (other than the visuals) hasn't improved since last-gen.

[mjh91]

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IMO, they get credit when they earn it. If/when we get the patch and it fixes the main issues that are possible, they'll get credit from me.

[roadman]

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Watching real football and playing madden is like watching a documentary and then watching a cartoon parody of that documentary. This sunday for example, I saw linebackers make interceptions, but they didn't have tremendous no look, turn around anticipation of passes like in madden. On sunday I noticed that defenders play either the receiver or the ball... in madden the defenders seem to always know where the ball is. I didn't see one over the shoulder interception sunday but they are the norm in maddden. On sunday I saw penalties both offsetting and ones that are inexplicably absent from madden.

Quite simply anyone can see the glaring differences between the nfl and madden. The kick off from the 35 yard line resulting in higher than 75% touch backs, illegal hit on a defenseless receiver...all missing. I could go on and on. Give madden more credit after watching football... I'd say it's the exact opposite. You can call me a nit picker, but if you make a check list of the things that are simply missing you can't possibly say that madden is true to the game. Is it a reasonable facsimile? Yes, but for all the praise it gets it has to be held accountable for the simplest of details that it gets wrong. If I were going for a world record for the amount of times I could hop on one foot and no one else was allowed to make an attempt.... even if I faltered time and time again I would still be the best for the simple fact that no one else could make an attempt.

The game is good, but anyone following the series and the nfl closely can easily point out the most glaring as well as the most superficial differences. Is madden a true representation of the nfl... depends on what your perception of reality is and what you are willing to accept. I myself expect more from a company that has been making the same product for more than 2 decades and they should hold themselves to a higher standard as well.

I tend to agree with the OP. It's my opinion that 12 better represents the NFL than past versions. Yes, it has it's glaring weaknesses and one of them is the penalty system.

However, I've seen more tackling below the waist vs the neck and above like we've seen from past efforts. Last night, in my game, I noticed Jennings with one on one coverage. I chucked the bomb and DB(Gamble) didn't look back once. So, it's not always the case when the CB knows where the ball is.

I've have not, yet, seen the AI run the ball out of the endzone. I've only attempted it a few times, so, not sure where you are going with the 75% rule on that one. From the games I've been playing, it seems to replicate the new ruling.

Not saying it's a true representation of the NFL, but I feel 12 is the closest I've had in a while.

Everyone's mileage may vary.

[jd369]

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I only voted less credit cause there was not an option for "I dont give them any credit and wont for quite some time most likely". Things happen routinely in madden that the devs couldnt give you evidence of happening even once in real life, and Im talking about EVER in the history of the game. yet things like back shoulder throws that happen every game are absent from madden. this is the first time in 4 years I have bought madden and I am not even through season 1 in my franchise and already I am regretting it. all sports games have flaws, but most of them are small (exception being the show, they have some HUGE ones as well) but madden has the most in number and the most in terms of how glaring they are that it makes it where you cant even enjoy the game cause every play you are seeing you are saying "that would never happen" "that wouldnt happen either" "I have never seen that in my life" etc etc. people say this all the time cause its true, but if I was THIS bad at my job I would be fired before I could even try to explain why I was that bad. it should be the same with people that make sports games that obviously have no knowledge of sports and very little knowledge of how to make a video game period.

[Big FN Deal]

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I only voted less credit cause there was not an option for "I dont give them any credit and wont for quite some time most likely". Things happen routinely in madden that the devs couldnt give you evidence of happening even once in real life, and Im talking about EVER in the history of the game. yet things like back shoulder throws that happen every game are absent from madden. this is the first time in 4 years I have bought madden and I am not even through season 1 in my franchise and already I am regretting it. all sports games have flaws, but most of them are small (exception being the show, they have some HUGE ones as well) but madden has the most in number and the most in terms of how glaring they are that it makes it where you cant even enjoy the game cause every play you are seeing you are saying "that would never happen" "that wouldnt happen either" "I have never seen that in my life" etc etc. people say this all the time cause its true, but if I was THIS bad at my job I would be fired before I could even try to explain why I was that bad. it should be the same with people that make sports games that obviously have no knowledge of sports and very little knowledge of how to make a video game period.

Not to be funny but "same credit" would have covered this considering you give them the same amount of credit you did before Madden 12 which is none. Also, it doesn't seem possible to give less credit than none.

[NoTrouble]

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Personally i'm tired of hearing about how Madden has "improved" every year. If you take a broken down old car with 10 different things wrong with it sitting on 4 flats and put new tires on it is the car improved? Sure, but it's still a piece of crap. Cool, you fixed 1 or 2 issues. That's nice, you're about 10% finished with an acceptable product.

[kjcheezhead]

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Not at all. For instance with NBA2k11, I see this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_nQ_2fBRxQ

Those look like actual NBA highlight clips

Even in the most edited, cherry picked, marketing style Madden video I have seen, you get silly, cartoonish player movement that lets you know instantly you are watching a video game commerical.

[Cubs017]

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It has made me appreciate Madden a bit more. The real NFL is just so dynamic and unpredictable that you're never going to get a 100% accurate representation. It's impossible.

[bucky60]

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I see such glaring problems with madden. Much of it in the new Franchise mode. But I've been far more impressed with this madden than I have been in a long time. Fix some of the glaring mistakes, and I think they are really, finally, going down the right track. I've been critical of madden for a long time (and rightly so), but we should be giving credit when it is deserved. I give them credit for making the gameplay better in 12. Now go and fix the bad stuff in the new Franchise mode.

Like the OP said, I don't feel like I wasted my $60. Madden is WAY, WAY behind, but I give this game kudos for making significant strides from last years score fest.

[Lieutenant Dan]

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Good thread, BFND.

I can relate my own experience using my Seahawks last night. On offense, ball around the opponent's 30 yd line. Sidney Rice (yes, in my world he's HEALTHY! At least for the moment! ) is not the prime receiver, but just runs a straight fly to the end zone.

Well, the DB was a top rookie (also healthy, 'The Prince' of the NYG) and he was just CERTAIN right off the line that Rice was going to run yet ANOTHER slant on him, as I'd been abusing him all game long with that LOL.

So, ball is snapped, Rice goes straight and Prince cuts inside immediately to defend against that slant he was sure was coming! He realizes his mistake and turns around after nearly breaking his ankles and tries to catch up to Rice but TOO LATE! Floated the ball to Rice for an easy TD with Price 10 yards behind.

The best thing was the comical "Oh crap!" moment by Prince...and it was a very realistic reaction AND a total rookie mistake. It was a brilliant Madden moment that is true to Sundays. One of several I've seen.

I like M12 a lot. Deal with it.

[BlackJackRabbit]

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Personally i'm tired of hearing about how Madden has "improved" every year. If you take a broken down old car with 10 different things wrong with it sitting on 4 flats and put new tires on it is the car improved? Sure, but it's still a piece of crap. Cool, you fixed 1 or 2 issues. That's nice, you're about 10% finished with an acceptable product.

I agree with almost everything you said, but even if you fix everything that is wrong with that old car, you're still left with an old car. Yeah, everything's fixed, but there's no Mp3 player; there's no navigation system; there's just a cassette player in the car.

What I'm getting at is that Madden desperately needs some innovation. The technology within the game must improve. We're still doing the same things in M12 that we were doing in M05.

The game is different, but we play the same way. That's why many people just blurt out that Madden is just a roster update.

[roadman]

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The game is different, but we play the same way. That's why many people just blurt out that Madden is just a roster update.

I have to strongly disagree with this, but respect your opinion.

12 isn't even close to 11 and only a "roster update."(not saying you said 12 is a roster update)

Not saying it doesn't need improvement in areas, but I flung my controller a lot last year at the Maddenism's that came out of that game. This year, I haven't done that, yet. Stopped playing 11 in December, that's early for me.

Anyone who says 12 is just a roster update hasn't played or own the game.

[TMJOHNS18]

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Good thread, BFND.

I can relate my own experience using my Seahawks last night. On offense, ball around the opponent's 30 yd line. Sidney Rice (yes, in my world he's HEALTHY! At least for the moment! ) is not the prime receiver, but just runs a straight fly to the end zone.

Well, the DB was a top rookie (also healthy, 'The Prince' of the NYG) and he was just CERTAIN right off the line that Rice was going to run yet ANOTHER slant on him, as I'd been abusing him all game long with that LOL.

So, ball is snapped, Rice goes straight and Prince cuts inside immediately to defend against that slant he was sure was coming! He realizes his mistake and turns around after nearly breaking his ankles and tries to catch up to Rice but TOO LATE! Floated the ball to Rice for an easy TD with Price 10 yards behind.

The best thing was the comical "Oh crap!" moment by Prince...and it was a very realistic reaction AND a total rookie mistake. It was a brilliant Madden moment that is true to Sundays. One of several I've seen.

I like M12 a lot. Deal with it.

Sure he wasn't just playing zone

Even in the most edited, cherry picked, marketing style Madden video I have seen, you get silly, cartoonish player movement that lets you know instantly you are watching a video game commerical.

Is it bad that in that short of the video you see too many repeat animations? One thing I really hate about Madden is the limited number of animations there actually are. No more glaring than the lack of receiving animations.

9 times out of 10 when I chuck the ball I already know what the receiver is going to do. So annoying when you know any real receiver would make an adjustment on a ball yet you know your guy is just going to slow a little and try to catch it over his shoulder for some unknown reason.