NBA 2K12 Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here (360, PS3)

[blues rocker]

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Yeah, makes it a chore to get around screens, or defend a moving jumper for thst matter...

Hopefully its a demo thing, I keep hearing its noticably sluggish compared to retail.....I can only hope...

Hey, 24th...man...this body rotation issue on defense may be a major issue. I was just playing the demo again and it's getting worse the more i pay attention to it. at one point, i was on defense...lebron started to drive so i took control of Tyson Chandler to cut him off...but when i took control of Chandler, Chandler turned his body completely away from Lebron..totally turned his back to Lebron as Lebron was driving toward him...how did this issue get into 2k12, and how did it make it this far into the dev cycle to be in the demo? I pray it's fixed in the retail, but i'm not optimistic because someone on the dev team should've caught it and fixed it from the beginning.

bottom line...whenever you are controlling a defender (whether is on-ball or an off-ball defender) he should always keep his body rotated so that his chest is facing the ball handler. 2k11 was consistent with this and did it well...what happened?

[bls]

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yeah...the "body rotation" issue is really starting to stand out to me and is really hurting the defensive control for me...i will be moving my defender around trying to guard the ball handler, and then my man will suddenly turn his body away from the ball handler and stop facing him for no reason...it's really bothering me.

and this was not a problem in 2k11...in 2k11, defenders always rotated their bodies to face the ball handler..unless you held down turbo or L2 for intense D...now in 2k12, my defender is just rotating his body in weird and unpredictable ways...this is a step back from 2k11...a shame.

I believe they put that in to give the user an option to play the offensive player to drive to either the left or the right of the court. So if your playing a left handed dribble you want to force him right. Also give the option to force the ball handler to the strong side of the defensive.

Just my guess.

Also I don't know if anyone has notice but D. Wade is the only one that banks those mid range jumpers in for the Heat similar to how he does it in real life. Nice touch.

[Jano]

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I believe they put that in to give the user an option to play the offensive player to drive to either the left or the right of the court. So if your playing a left handed dribble you want to force him right. Also give the option to force the ball handler to the strong side of the defensive.

Just my guess.

Also I don't know if anyone has notice but D. Wade is the only one that banks those mid range jumpers in for the Heat similar to how he does it in real life. Nice touch.

Good point but if that's the case I would like to know what causes the player to shade to one side. Becuase I know where Blue is coming from and it definitely does make playing on Balll D a chore...

EDIT: Just read through the defense insight again and it looks we are going to have to learn how to play D all over again. Its nothing like last year at all much more indepth so we as the user really have to know what we are doing.

Seems like this year the CPU isn't going to be "holding" our hands we really gon have to practice again to master this system. Reminds a lot of Live 10 now. At first defense seemed annoying and a hassle but if you took the time to practice it became a lot of fun and very rewarding.

[youvalss]

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They could have altleast added a replay feature. The stuff I'm doing in this demo are CRAAAZYYY!

Agree. Every now and then I see something so great...and I'm thinking "wait, wait, let me go to replay, let me see it again"..... but it's gone.

[Money99]

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I can't get enough of this demo.
My thoughts aren't worth much because I haven't played a basketball game since the SNES days.
But I love this game. I love the animations, the different feel for the various sizes and skill sets for each guy.
Shooting 3's with Dirk feels awesome as does slashing with Wade or Lebron.

I can't wait to get my hands on the retail version!

[The 24th Letter]

Hey, 24th...man...this body rotation issue on defense may be a major issue. I was just playing the demo again and it's getting worse the more i pay attention to it. at one point, i was on defense...lebron started to drive so i took control of Tyson Chandler to cut him off...but when i took control of Chandler, Chandler turned his body completely away from Lebron..totally turned his back to Lebron as he was driving toward him...how did this issue get into 2k12, and how did it make it this far into the dev cycle to be in the demo? I pray it's fixed in the retail, but i'm not optimistic because someone on the dev team should've caught it and fixed it from the beginning.

bottom line...whenever you are controlling a defender (whether is on-ball or an off-ball defender) he should always keep his body rotated so that his chest is facing the ball handler. 2k11 was consistent with this and did it well...what happened?

Check the Heat/ Knicks vids below...

either that guy has mastered defense in his short time with the game, or the issue didnt make it to the final. I dont see one glimpse of the issue from the user...

I feel a heck of a lot "netter"

[blues rocker]

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Check the Heat/ Knicks vids below...

either that guy has mastered defense in his short time with the game, or the issue didnt make it to the final. I dont see one glimpse of the issue from the user...

I feel a heck of a lot "netter"

what video? i don't see a link?

[blues rocker]

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Good point but if that's the case I would like to know what causes the player to shade to one side. Becuase I know where Blue is coming from and it definitely does make playing on Balll D a chore...

EDIT: Just read through the defense insight again and it looks we are going to have to learn how to play D all over again. Its nothing like last year at all much more indepth so we as the user really have to know what we are doing.

Seems like this year the CPU isn't going to be "holding" our hands we really gon have to practice again to master this system. Reminds a lot of Live 10 now. At first defense seemed annoying and a hassle but if you took the time to practice it became a lot of fun and very rewarding.

sorry, but i just don't see any justification for this issue. there's no reason for a defender to randomly rotate and turn away from the ball handler as he's driving at him. it's like a lack of awareness thing or something...like the defenders aren't aware of what the ball handler is doing or even aware when he's driving right in front of them.

[blues rocker]

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Check the Heat/ Knicks vids below...

either that guy has mastered defense in his short time with the game, or the issue didnt make it to the final. I dont see one glimpse of the issue from the user...

I feel a heck of a lot "netter"

i'm still seeing it in the heat/knicks video...at the 1:12 mark...the Miami ball handler starts to drive...but the Knicks defender turns away from him and does this awkward sideways stance before finally turning to face the ball handler.

[j3nkins29]

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I thought the ps3 version of the game looked pretty good this year, but after comparing them on the lens of truth site the 360 version is way better. Why does the port to ps3 come out so noticeably sub par.

http://www.lensoftruth.com/head2head-nba-2k12-demo-screenshot-comparison/

[Cynical]

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sorry, but i just don't see any justification for this issue. there's no reason for a defender to randomly rotate and turn away from the ball handler as he's driving at him. it's like a lack of awareness thing or something...like the defenders aren't aware of what the ball handler is doing or even aware when he's driving right in front of them.

once again like i said about trying to block lebron when in perfect position and the defender just put his hand up instead of jumping. its like it was coded that you couldnt block him. almost like, instead of making lbj that much better, they just dumbed down the defender.

there is no excuse. other than its and early build. and at this point its to many odd things in gameplay to use the early build excuse, every single time. to hear some people tell it, it would make you think 2k is only 4-5 months into development of the game. idk what to believe, the apologists or my own eyes.

[Da Baller]

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Whats Up Forums


So the demo for me was loads of fun, the contact and physics along with the removal of canned or suction animations was really the best part of the game for me, it was so smooth it really looked authentic. I really felt like I could do whatever I wanted.

Im excited to have access to the whole Mavs roster when this comes out.

[blues rocker]

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once again like i said about trying to block lebron when in perfect position and the defender just put his hand up instead of jumping. its like it was coded that you couldnt block him. almost like, instead of making lbj that much better, they just dumbed down the defender.

there is no excuse. other than its and early build. and at this point its to many odd things in gameplay to use the early build excuse, every single time. to hear some people tell it, it would make you think 2k is only 4-5 months into development of the game. idk what to believe, the apologists or my own eyes.

yeah. i agree somewhat...i think the weird body rotation issue with the defensive locomotion is some type of flaw...i don't know if that was intentional. but the inconsistent blocking animations do seem like a deliberate attempt to dumb down the defense to prevent you from being able to contest shots. shame, shame 2k...did you think we wouldn't notice?

[jreezy18]

anyone notice when the shot clock gets down to one the cpu always pump fakes first then shoots it (I fall for it every time)

Also the cpu actually uses everything in the game this year, from the isomotion, post moves, momentum shots, etc.

I didn't really play the cpu that much in 2k11 so I don't really know if the cpu was already doing most of what I said but from the few games I did play I didn't see it.

The CPU was horrible to play in 2K11. They didn't really use any of the moves that users had available to them. The CPU AI is much improved in 2K12.

[Da Baller]

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I just blocked Lebron James shot wit Tyson chandler. I feel it was a bit unrealistic though....

Spoiler

Tyson jumped 10ft in the ****in air, to where his shoes were level with the rim.