Hip Checks Hurting NHL 12's Realism

[Ceteris Paribus]

Re: Hip Checks Hurting NHL 12's Realism

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You kill me!

[Qb]

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Also I heard from some people playing drop in games and stuff that EA said they were already planning to address this in the first tuner. Not sure if that is true or not.

I know they are monitoring feedback here and working on fixes for a patch (and I'm sure tuning as well). And before anyone asks, this is all I know... no details.

[Rogie Vachon]

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Here's the deal. Would you rather see EA Sports give an effort and introduce more physics into their game at the detriment of having wonky animations happen from time to time? Or the same old non-physics?

HOPEFULLY they can tune it down via a patch because it is an issue. Also: have yet to see a penalty for a hip check that happens completely outside of the play.

With that said, it can be argued the physics on REGULAR hits and normal game plays has improved by a significant margin. The trade-off for weird-*** hip checks for more realistic physics is fine by me.

If they`re going to add stuff....like this physics,.....maybe they need to actually play test,..understanding physics might help too,....because the effort put into testing a lot of things looks like it was terribly lacking......as it was terribly lacking in other areas too.

I can`t even list all the issues because I`d have to spend a few hours making a compendium of bugs,glitches,and other issues,.....and lots of them are things that would have been found within 2 minutes of testing certain things,like every BaP position,...including GOALIE!

A game tester should be torturing every millimeter of a game,......that`s why it`s called testing.
That`s also why there is this bitter backlash coming at them at times.....because there are things that should have been found within a minute or two of testing a certain mode/position/other options....and when these make it to the retail version of the game,.......what do you think the consumer,....EA`s mealticket,...thinks?

What should they think?

Rosters,.....there`s another one,....put some effort into it please,....we know there`s turnover,......so till you know who`s in who`s out,...you get the rest of the rosters correct and attributes adjusted half decent,......then you get them all right as soon as you can do it,.......if what we get till the additions are made had effort put into it,..face attributes,correct goalie equipment...EA`s own forum had a goalie equipment thread,...it basically had every goalie in the game almost,...had all their expected gear,....that could have been used to get the goalie pads and stuff bang on,or damn close,......and what you got from them was not great.
Hey,it was better than last year`s sad effort......but they didn`t have quite the data base of up to date gear pics.

It was tee`d up for them,....an idiot could have done the job in about 3 hours ,...tops.......a brain damaged monkey 2.5 hrs.....and they had months to get it done to a point where we all would have said ,...great stuff,....we can wait a little longer if it means better quality stuff coming out way.

I`m just sayin.

[Ceteris Paribus]

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And some people wonder why devs don't spend more time here.

[mkharsh33]

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And some people wonder why devs don't spend more time here.

sometimes it takes a hard critique to get a point across... they should read this stuff. they've got a GREAT selling game - if they've got a spine they'll read this stuff and see that it can get better. one of the stated goals of my co-workers is "in all things excellence." that means we can be tough on ourselves, and take it like big boys and big girls. EA's no exception to this...

[Elite49]

Yes because this is game breaking. Really if you don't like it shuuush, they'll fix it and what do you expect? Almost every EA Sports game is broken at launch... no all of them are.

[Ceteris Paribus]

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sometimes it takes a hard critique to get a point across... they should read this stuff. they've got a GREAT selling game - if they've got a spine they'll read this stuff and see that it can get better. one of the stated goals of my co-workers is "in all things excellence." that means we can be tough on ourselves, and take it like big boys and big girls. EA's no exception to this...

First, it was written in a demeaning manner. Second, most of it had nothing to do with the topic of the thread. Third, he's just repeating the same thing the devs have heard over and over and over. If they can get it fixed, they will.

We know a patch will come. Whiny posts like his only serve to alienate the devs from the people here.

We all want a better game. But at some point realism sets in. There isn't a better game, as EA has made just about the best games of hockey ever to grace a console. NHL 94 wasn't better, nor any of the other classic great games of hockey we loved.

If this fails to be fun, stop playing sports games. Your expectations are not in line with reality. Expressing what would make the game better is great. Insinuating that the devs are dumb or lazy is BS.

[Jattbreed]

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Anybody who is sympathetic to a person who gets PAID to do their JOB to TEST the games and has evidently failed by allowing such a huge glitch into this game is ridiculous.

In the past you could at least play some D to avoid the glitch goals, but there is NO WAY to stop the hip check.

And the freezing? Like seriously? Smh.

[TheMatrix31]

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If they`re going to add stuff....like this physics,.....maybe they need to actually play test,..understanding physics might help too,....because the effort put into testing a lot of things looks like it was terribly lacking......as it was terribly lacking in other areas too.

I can`t even list all the issues because I`d have to spend a few hours making a compendium of bugs,glitches,and other issues,.....and lots of them are things that would have been found within 2 minutes of testing certain things,like every BaP position,...including GOALIE!

A game tester should be torturing every millimeter of a game,......that`s why it`s called testing.
That`s also why there is this bitter backlash coming at them at times.....because there are things that should have been found within a minute or two of testing a certain mode/position/other options....and when these make it to the retail version of the game,.......what do you think the consumer,....EA`s mealticket,...thinks?

What should they think?

Rosters,.....there`s another one,....put some effort into it please,....we know there`s turnover,......so till you know who`s in who`s out,...you get the rest of the rosters correct and attributes adjusted half decent,......then you get them all right as soon as you can do it,.......if what we get till the additions are made had effort put into it,..face attributes,correct goalie equipment...EA`s own forum had a goalie equipment thread,...it basically had every goalie in the game almost,...had all their expected gear,....that could have been used to get the goalie pads and stuff bang on,or damn close,......and what you got from them was not great.
Hey,it was better than last year`s sad effort......but they didn`t have quite the data base of up to date gear pics.

It was tee`d up for them,....an idiot could have done the job in about 3 hours ,...tops.......a brain damaged monkey 2.5 hrs.....and they had months to get it done to a point where we all would have said ,...great stuff,....we can wait a little longer if it means better quality stuff coming out way.

I`m just sayin.

I understand your and everyone's frustrations, but try not to be so hostile. Also, using a bunch of ellipses "...."s makes your post very difficult to read.

[Kenny Halt]

Yeah the physics bother me but at the same time I don't dwell on them. Right when I started the game and it had me play the winter classic, one of my first hits was launching Alex Ovechkin into the bench with Zbynek Michalek hich in real life would be shocking but by EA standards I wasn't surprised. Also in the same game I went for a hip check with Paul Martin and the other player seemed to get stuck on his back to which Martin Stood up for the player to drop from Martin's shoulders down to the ice in the same pose the whole way down and for a few seconds on the ice.

[Qb]

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To piggyback on what Matrix said and address a few of the other comments, please continue to offer constructive criticism, as that is not an issue. But please avoid the "idiot" and "brain-dead monkey" type of comments that do nothing to advance to discussion.

[Rogie Vachon]

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I understand your and everyone's frustrations, but try not to be so hostile. Also, using a bunch of ellipses "...."s makes your post very difficult to read.

I really don`t think I was being hostile,.....I was being honest,although the comment about brain damaged monkeys was crossing the line,for which I apologize.
The point is,and sorry to re-tell it.....if JoeBlow can find things in a matter of minutes/hours/few days of playing the retail version....and they are things that should have easily been found in testing..the consumer is going to begin asking why is the product like this?
It obviously makes a statement/impression.......but is this the statement/impression EA wants to make?


Using the elipses is something I use to break up the text and phrasing a little better so a person doesn't see an endless wall of rambling text,...I actually think it makes it easier to read,just like using a paragraph,but
thenagainmaybeyouwouldpreferitsomethinglikethissmo osheduptogether
withnopunctuationoranythingnoparagraphsjustamasswa ll
ofunreadabletextwouldyoulikemetogoonlikethis?

[Ceteris Paribus]

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I really don`t think I was being hostile,.....I was being honest,although the comment about brain damaged monkeys was crossing the line,for which I apologize.
The point is,and sorry to re-tell it.....if JoeBlow can find things in a matter of minutes/hours/few days of playing the retail version....and they are things that should have easily been found in testing..the consumer is going to begin asking why is the product like this?
It obviously makes a statement/impression.......but is this the statement/impression EA wants to make?


Using the elipses is something I use to break up the text and phrasing a little better so a person doesn't see an endless wall of rambling text,...I actually think it makes it easier to read,just like using a paragraph,but
thenagainmaybeyouwouldpreferitsomethinglikethissmo osheduptogether
withnopunctuationoranythingnoparagraphsjustamasswa ll
ofunreadabletextwouldyoulikemetogoonlikethis?

Ellipses have a purpose, and this is not it. I've read many, many posts here that are clear and clutter free without misusing ellipses. On the other hand, seeing so many in a post is annoying.

It doesn't make it easier to read. It makes you seem like kind of a dumb hipster that is trying to be cool without a basic understanding of grammar rules.

[CigarCityBandit]

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I have to say that while The hip Check has some uneven qualities, this MUST be a checks and balances situation as viewed by EA because the way the puck sticks to the offensive forward/Center's stick at times is absurd.
New physics be damned...I can t tell you how many times as a defender I have been in good position and went for the normal check and gotten a piece of the puck carrier with NO EFFECT at all. The guy just weaves around a couple of us even taking hits and gets to the goal mouth.
And NO its not my defense its the fact that the puck STICKS to the carriers tape. I get that some players can take a hit without losing the puck but what happens here too often is way overpowered offense. SO as a guy who plays alot of Defenseman in OTP etc, enjoy my hip check when I get pissed off that someone stickhandled through an entire team.
C'mon EA.

[bigbob]

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It's not just hurting, it's killing the NHL 12 realism. It happens 5+ times a game where you can be PAST somebody and they throw a hip chick, then all of a sudden you flopping around like a fish out of water even though you weren't actually touched. If someone is standing still and someone comes flying out of no where with a hip check, the player standing there shouldn't get knocked to the ground.

Getting off-topic a little, another thing that's hurting the game play is I've seen offensive "playmakers" with 40-40 Aggressive/Body Checking take out huge defensive players (I'm talking like 5'10" taking out 6'6") whenever in the "demos" and "gameplay videos" it was shown that if that happens. the 5'10" player just dropped to the ground. I have a 5'10" right winger who lays people out like I'm 99-99-99-99 (AGG, BC, STR, BAL) whenever all of that is below 50 and I have a 90-90-85-85 who can't lay anyone out.

I feel like this is something the EA got backwards, kind of like how some of the Madden sliders seem to be "backwards".