Madden NFL 12 Title Update #2 Details Coming Soon

[TreyIM2]

Yeah, except the NBA2K team actually puts 100% effort into their games. Don't get me wrong, I love madden, and 2K. But, fact of the matter is- 2K sports clearly puts way more time into everything, than the madden team does. 2K's commentary sounds like commentary of 2011-12, while madden still feels like its stuck in the 90's.

I hope they can fix the announcing via patch, if not.. I wont be surprised. There were so many things that they could have fixed last year, but just blew it off in the end. So, I wont be shocked if they dont fix it. Maddens have been a disapointment for years. I buy them every year hoping that they get better.. but they just dont.

(And before someone jumps on me and says "just dont buy it, duh!"- I'm not gonna not buy the only pro football game. I love football too much to just give up on madden.)

While I can agree with some of that effort statement, I actually think it's more about the game's engine. It's antiquated and limited. Ever notice how when EA usually introduces something new in Madden, something else either gets removed or takes a hit? If it's not a feature, it's graphics, font size or something. It's all about memory and coding allowed by it. It's like EA has to re-arrange things and do a bit of trickery within the engine if they want to accommodate whatever else new they want to do to the game.Disc space can factor in, too.

Eh, whatever case, I think it's a wrap for this gen when it comes to Madden. I still believe they can push the game with Blu-ray disc size but that won't happen because one side of the gaming war wouldn't be too happy with that...

[xElway7x]

Re: Madden 12 patch #2 details coming soon

As someone who likes to constantly tweak equipment and ratings now, I'm mostly hoping for a fix for losing player roles when editing players. That'd go a long way for me. Also, the completion % of QBs in franchise. I think those are my main two gripes right now.

Agreed. Having the players look like their real life counterparts goes a long way in how the game looks and feels for me. I hate having to live with a wrong face mask or helmet type so my LB doesn't lose his pass rusher or future star role. I want that fixed, and the super LBs, and I want the game to remember what formation I was in instead of me having to scroll the page and finding what I wanted to run again.

[bingo911]

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While I can agree with some of that effort statement, I actually think it's more about the game's engine. It's antiquated and limited. Ever notice how when EA usually introduces something new in Madden, something else either gets removed or takes a hit? If it's not a feature, it's graphics, font size or something. It's all about memory and coding allowed by it. It's like EA has to re-arrange things and do a bit of trickery within the engine if they want to accommodate whatever else new they want to do to the game.Disc space can factor in, too.

Eh, whatever case, I think it's a wrap for this gen when it comes to Madden. I still believe they can push the game with Blu-ray disc size but that won't happen because one side of the gaming war wouldn't be too happy with that...

I really think its just effort. EA sports has so many more resources than 2K does, im willing to bet they have a much larger staff than 2k does as well. NBA 2K11 has way more game modes, cyberfaces, uniforms, teams, areanas, headcoaches, and is miles better in gameplay.. yet, they manage to make everything top of the line. while EA, skimps on everything. Doesn't make sense to me.

[roadman]

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I really think its just effort. EA sports has so many more resources than 2K does, im willing to bet they have a much larger staff than 2k does as well. NBA 2K11 has way more game modes, cyberfaces, uniforms, teams, areanas, headcoaches, and is miles better in gameplay.. yet, they manage to make everything top of the line. while EA, skimps on everything. Doesn't make sense to me.

Nah, I disagree with effort. The developers work long hours, so, it's not a effort issue. Plus, for 13 and on, they are doubling the game play team for both football games. That has to be good news for games.

I think it has do deal more with the suits and marketing vs the developers. To me, EA has multiple layers and the more layers a company has, the more red tape to sift through.

2K is a smaller company and can get things done at a quicker pace and they don't need to jump through as many hoops as EA has to.

That's my take.

[bingo911]

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Nah, I disagree with effort. The developers work long hours, so, it's not a effort issue. Plus, for 13 and on, they are doubling the game play team for both football games. That has to be good news for games.

I think it has do deal more with the suits and marketing vs the developers. To me, EA has multiple layers and the more layers a company has, the more red tape to sift through.

2K is a smaller company and can get things done at a quicker pace and they don't need to jump through as many hoops as EA has to.

That's my take.

Oh yeah, i definitely agree about the suits part but.. saying that a company with less resources, less staff, and that they can get things done quicker? Thats a bit backwards i think. A company with millions of dollars of resources, and a huge staff should be able to destroy anything a small company can put together. I just hope that EA's contract with the NFL runs out soon. The lack of competition has obviously made EA a bit lazy. If there was a NFL 2K12 game out there right now, EA would definitely have made a better game. Who knows, they might have even produced a better game than than 2K, since 2K literally put the NBA Live franchise out of business- it could be payback. lol

[roadman]

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Oh yeah, i definitely agree about the suits part but.. saying that a company with less resources, less staff, and that they can get things done quicker? Thats a bit backwards i think. A company with millions of dollars of resources, and a huge staff should be able to destroy anything a small company can put together. I just hope that EA's contract with the NFL runs out soon. The lack of competition has obviously made EA a bit lazy. If there was a NFL 2K12 game out there right now, EA would definitely have made a better game. Who knows, they might have even produced a better game than than 2K, since 2K literally put the NBA Live franchise out of business- it could be payback. lol

I hear you, but there are pros and cons to working at a smaller company vs a bigger company.

A smaller company you don't need to run decisions up the flagpole and wait 2 weeks for an answer. A bigger company needs to take it over to marketing, run it around up to the suits, and maybe a decision will be made in a few weeks.

There is much more political red tape to hurdle in a larger company vs a smaller company.

[ccdeville]

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I think EA simply doesn't try because they have no competition. Pride seems to motivate 2K and the bottom line seems to motivate EA. Look at the attention to detail in a 2K game. The fans are even active and moving, responding to whats going on in the game and everyone is doing something different. EA cuts and paste's 4 guys and spreads them all over the stadium. In 2K the sidelines are even active responding to the game situation. EA they look like cut outs from Madden '94. The commentary in the two games are day and night and well documented.
Now these things don't affect gameplay, but when this type of attention is shown in little things then you know they take gameplay seriously and vice versa. EA to this point can't even get the little things right and it seems like they just don't care.
Acquiring the NFL license just told me instead of working harder to produce a better game, we'll just kill the competition.
They still haven't even put mouthpieces in the players equipment.

[ghostlight85]

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Speed up the menus. Seriously.

A lot of my gripes about the game would be lessened if the menus didn't have such significant delay everytime you change screens or go into a player to edit him or anything. I think I could even deal with UDFAs in franchise if the menus didn't make everything take 3x longer than it should.

[dirtguru]

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Have not read the entire thread so probably in the minority here.

I'm all for fixing PS3 freezing issues, commentary and wierd sound bugs as well as the strange weather patterns that the virtual NFL seems to be experiencing. Graphics/colors in certain stadiums are a must.

PLEEEEEEEEEEEEZE don't mess with gameplay, super linebackers are not an issue for me.
I all ready have Madden 11.

[Bud2003]

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I think EA simply doesn't try because they have no competition. Pride seems to motivate 2K and the bottom line seems to motivate EA. Look at the attention to detail in a 2K game. The fans are even active and moving, responding to whats going on in the game and everyone is doing something different. EA cuts and paste's 4 guys and spreads them all over the stadium. In 2K the sidelines are even active responding to the game situation. EA they look like cut outs from Madden '94. The commentary in the two games are day and night and well documented.
Now these things don't affect gameplay, but when this type of attention is shown in little things then you know they take gameplay seriously and vice versa. EA to this point can't even get the little things right and it seems like they just don't care.
Acquiring the NFL license just told me instead of working harder to produce a better game, we'll just kill the competition.
They still haven't even put mouthpieces in the players equipment.

Such an old and overused assessment.

Have you played the almighty MLB 2K series lately?

[Herky]

Re: Madden 12 patch #2 details coming soon

Can't even enjoy Franchise mode right now. If the patch doesn't address most of the Franchise issues, then I'm sure this game will start gathering dust for a lot of gamers.

I haven't even bought Madden yet as I am waiting for the patch. I've followed threads on here and as a hardcore offline franchise guy, I need it to play well.

I did the same with with MLB 2K11 and NBA 2K11 and it worked well and got me to purchase the game. I wish I would have done the same thing with NCAA 12 as I'm not happy with it.

If EA comes through with a good patch I'll buy Madden. It sad because I've owned every Madden since 2003. From 2004-2009 I've purchased it on release day. Now I might not even buy it.

[GGEden]

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A lot of pressing issues that people have brought up already.
Hopefully custom playbooks is fixed too, and hopefully they include the defensive camera view too.

[roadman]

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A lot of pressing issues that people have brought up already.
Hopefully custom playbooks is fixed too, and hopefully they include the defensive camera view too.

I doubt the defensive camera view will be included in the patch.

Mike Young already said in a podcast a week ago Thursday that was a huge project by NCAA highly unlikely to be included in a patch.

[GGEden]

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Cheers for the info. Bummer. Didn't know it was something that apparently requires a huge re-write.

Fingers still crossed for the custom playbook (tho it's just one thing out of many).

[simbayless]

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Why is everybody blaming the suits, you mean the same suits around the ps2 area with compettion hmmmm