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Sorry. Chris Paul is the best point guard in the NBA by any statistical or observational measure. Though Williams is so good that the difference hardly matters. But hey, he'll have a chance with a healthy wrist this season to prove it.
Brook Lopez can't rebound and isn't the best defensive player either. He's kind of like the Bizarro Andrew Bogut. If you combined both of them you'd have a beast. But promising player who should be better with Williams this season.
Humphries did not get dramatcially better, he just got smarter and streamlined his game.
Morrow is a shooting machine, not a scoring machine.
The rest are, in fact, terrible.Comment
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It's either Rondo or Paul for best defensive point guard in the league. But defensive point guards are moot points. They don't really have much of an impact on games unless they are really terrible. With handchecking rules guarding point guards is more about the big man hedging and recovering on screens.
Rondo is an excellent passer and defender. But he can also be a liability on offense with his lack of range. It keeps him from being truly elite.Comment
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Re: NBA 2K12 Player Ratings Revealed, Including All Free Agents
Anyone know how rebound ratings are calculated?
I am trying to understand why a guy like Al Jefferson who is a PF playing center averaged almost 10 rebound a game last season and still can't get his rebound ratings updated.
Marc Gasol plays the center position. Dude averaged 7 rebounds per game last season. 11.2 in the playoffs. His overall rebound rating is 93.
Lets look at another center Tyson Chandler. He averaged 9.4 rbs during the season, 9.2 during the playoffs. His overall rebound rating is 93.
Now lets look at Jefferson. He averaged 9.7 as a center last season. His overall rebound rating in 2k12 is 82, down from 83 in 2k11.
So, does anyone know how they come up with this BS? Is there a way to contact whoever does the ratings on twitter? I'm really curious.
Lets compare Jefferson to a PF i.e. Carlos Boozer. Even with his reduced ratings his overall 2k12 rebound rating isLast edited by KB2009Champ; 09-28-2011, 02:49 PM.Comment
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Re: NBA 2K12 Player Ratings Revealed, Including All Free Agents
Like I said I think LeBron was second from med range fields last year. I remember reading about during last years playoffs.Hands Down....Man Down - 2k9 memories
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IHP_5GUBQoComment
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Re: NBA 2K12 Player Ratings Revealed, Including All Free Agents
Anyone know how rebound ratings are calculated?
I am trying to understand why a guy like Al Jefferson who is a PF playing center averaged almost 10 rebound a game last season and still can't get his rebound ratings updated.
Marc Gasol plays the center position. Dude averaged 7 rebounds per game last season. 11.2 in the playoffs. His overall rebound rating is 93.
Lets look at another center Tyson Chandler. He averaged 9.4 rbs during the season, 9.2 during the playoffs. His overall rebound rating is 93.
Now lets look at Jefferson. He averaged 9.7 as a center last season. His overall rebound rating in 2k12 is 82, down from 83 in 2k11.
So, does anyone know how they come up with this BS? Is there a way to contact whoever does the ratings on twitter? I'm really curious.
Lets compare Jefferson to a PF i.e. Carlos Boozer. Even with his reduced ratings his overall 2k12 rebound rating isComment
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Re: NBA 2K12 Player Ratings Revealed, Including All Free Agents
No, there doesn't need to be more balance. If anything there needs to be a distinct gap between the elite and the non-elite players. Why on earth should anyone on the Heat be rated above what they currently are? They are a bunch of role players and journeymen. Not sure what you want out of that situation.Comment
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Re: NBA 2K12 Player Ratings Revealed, Including All Free Agents
KB2009Champ, I think it's because of his Offensive Rebounding Rate, Defensive Rebounding Rate, and Total Rebounding Rate which are all average for Centers (hits numbers are pretty much in the middle).Comment
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Re: NBA 2K12 Player Ratings Revealed, Including All Free Agents
If you watched the finals from an unbiased standpoint you would see he did much more than that...sure he didn't command the offense, that's why he's not rated in the 80's. But he definitely drove, got to the line, and finished inside as well. Also, he is a terrific and underrated defender. Those things combine for him to be somewhere between a 73-74.Comment
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Re: NBA 2K12 Player Ratings Revealed, Including All Free Agents
If they are average then so are Tyson Chandler's. Al actually had better rebounding numbers.
Over last season Chandler average 2.8 off reb, 6.6 def rebound.
Jefferson averaged 2.9 off reb, 6.8 def rebound.
Why does one have a 9.3 rebound rating while the other has a 8.2 rating?
Still doesn't make sense. I'm just saying, where is the consistency? And don't blame it on the playoffs because Chandler's rebounding ratings were higher than Al's in 2k11.Comment
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Re: NBA 2K12 Player Ratings Revealed, Including All Free Agents
Chandler is a much better rebounder than Al Jefferson. It's silly trying to argue otherwise. When on the floor, Chandler gobbles up nearly 20% of all available rebounds. Jefferson gets about 16.5% of the rebounds. The reason Al Jefferson's "RPG" were higher is because he played 8 more minutes a game...come on man! Also, Al Jefferson (in general) is a top-5 most overrated player in the past decade or so. It's really ridiculous how people put him on a pedestal as having an "elite" post game simply because his repetoire is so vast -- and despite his lack of scoring efficiency! -- and he's proof that stats don't tell the whole story. He manages to toss up 16 shots a night (and only scores 18.6 ppg!) yet gets to the line 3.5 times a night. Chandler shoots 5.5 times a nigh (and scores 10.1 ppg!) yet gets to the line 4 times a night. Chandler is superior in every which way on the basketball court and rebounding is just ONE of many advantages he has over Jefferson.Comment
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Re: NBA 2K12 Player Ratings Revealed, Including All Free Agents
Jefferson is in the middle.Comment
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Re: NBA 2K12 Player Ratings Revealed, Including All Free Agents
On your idea that Brook Lopez is the 2nd best center in the game...
Off the top of my head, Dwight Howard, Joakim Noah, and Andrew Bynum come to mind. Orlando wanted Bynum in exchange for the most dominant C in the game, and Noah would have to go if the Bulls wanted Howard. That says something.
On your "idea" that Deron Williams is the best PG in the NBA...
Chris Paul is easily the best. Why, you may ask?- Chris Paul is the ONLY - ONLY - player in NBA history to average at least 20 points and 10 assists in the postseason (over the entirety of his career).
- CP3 holds the record for consecutive games with a steal at 108.
- CP3 is 5th player to ever lead the league in assists and steals, and the only player to lead the league in assists and steals in consecutive seasons. (07/08 - 08/09). Also led the league in assists and steals three times (also in 10/11), also a record.
If you wanna go strictly by stats, then CP3 averages more points, assists, rebounds, and steals than Deron Williams, both in the regular season and postseason. He also has a higher FG% than Deron Williams in both.
Chris Paul may not be as athletic as Derrick Rose (He is almost just as quick, though Rose is quicker) or focus on offense as much as Deron Williams, but he is the best complete (Offense and Defense) PG in the league PERIOD.
Someone can legitimately argue Derrick Rose based on individual talent and dominance, and I would concede to that argument. Derrick Rose is the best OFFENSIVE PG, but his defense is average at best and he needs to work on shot selection. (This is coming from a Bulls fan and Chicago resident, so I see every game).
CP3 is the best complete PG. He's more comparable to Rondo in the sense that he's a great (although seemingly underrated) defender and he impacts his entire team and makes them better. Trevor Ariza (Watch his highlights against the Lakers for evidence) and Marco Belinelli are prime examples of this.
Williams is good, no doubt, but he's not a great defender or playmaker IMO. Granted, I don't see him much, but while he was in Utah they ran an offense that gave advantages to the post players so he never really had to create in my eyes, or at least as much as CP3. Also, Williams clearly had more talent around him, even in NJ, than CP3 currently does.
My PG rankings (Top 5):
1. CP3
2a. Derrick Rose
2b. Deron Williams
4. Russell Westbrook
5. Rajon Rondo - he would be number 3 if he had a better jumpshot, at least a mid-range.
I think the OVERALL ratings reflect this perfectly. So long as they play as the real-life counterparts, that is.
Just my humble opinion
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- Chris Paul is the ONLY - ONLY - player in NBA history to average at least 20 points and 10 assists in the postseason (over the entirety of his career).
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That is the loudest humble opinion I have ever seen in my life.
On your "idea" that Deron Williams is the best PG in the NBA...
Chris Paul is easily the best. Why, you may ask?- Chris Paul is the ONLY - ONLY - player in NBA history to average at least 20 points and 10 assists in the postseason (over the entirety of his career).
- CP3 holds the record for consecutive games with a steal at 108.
- CP3 is 5th player to ever lead the league in assists and steals, and the only player to lead the league in assists and steals in consecutive seasons. (07/08 - 08/09). Also led the league in assists and steals three times (also in 10/11), also a record.
If you wanna go strictly by stats, then CP3 averages more points, assists, rebounds, and steals than Deron Williams, both in the regular season and postseason. He also has a higher FG% than Deron Williams in both.
Chris Paul may not be as athletic as Derrick Rose (He is almost just as quick, though Rose is quicker) or focus on offense as much as Deron Williams, but he is the best complete (Offense and Defense) PG in the league PERIOD.
Someone can legitimately argue Derrick Rose based on individual talent and dominance, and I would concede to that argument. Derrick Rose is the best OFFENSIVE PG, but his defense is average at best and he needs to work on shot selection. (This is coming from a Bulls fan and Chicago resident, so I see every game).
CP3 is the best complete PG. He's more comparable to Rondo in the sense that he's a great (although seemingly underrated) defender and he impacts his entire team and makes them better. Trevor Ariza (Watch his highlights against the Lakers for evidence) and Marco Belinelli are prime examples of this.
Williams is good, no doubt, but he's not a great defender or playmaker IMO. Granted, I don't see him much, but while he was in Utah they ran an offense that gave advantages to the post players so he never really had to create in my eyes, or at least as much as CP3. Also, Williams clearly had more talent around him, even in NJ, than CP3 currently does.
My PG rankings (Top 5):
1. CP3
2a. Derrick Rose
2b. Deron Williams
4. Russell Westbrook
5. Rajon Rondo - he would be number 3 if he had a better jumpshot, at least a mid-range.
I think the OVERALL ratings reflect this perfectly. So long as they play as the real-life counterparts, that is.
Just my humble opinion Comment
- Chris Paul is the ONLY - ONLY - player in NBA history to average at least 20 points and 10 assists in the postseason (over the entirety of his career).
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