Lets talk defense.

[Gagnon39]

While I love scoring goals and creating highlight-reel moves on the ice on offense, one of my favorite aspects of any sports game is defense. This is especially true in NHL games. I pride myself with blocking shots, forcing opposing players to the outside and controlling the puck on breakouts. However, there are times when I feel almost helpless against the CPU's offensive players.

One of those times is when I'm the last D-man back and an opposing player is coming in for a shot (where I'm skating backwards). Kind of a one-on-one situation I guess you could say. It seems that often times poke checks don't seem to be very effective straight ahead. Neither do stick lifts. If I attempt a hit often times I just glance off the opposing player and leave him with a clear path to the net.

What are your defensive strategies in these situations? Have you found anything in particular to be effective?

My other area or weakness at times is clearing players and the puck out of the slot. I get to the point where I'm willing to give up long, outside shots to by defensemen in order to clear the front of the net. However, there are times when I just can't seem to do anything to get players and the puck out from in front of my net.

I use a collapsing defense but should I also use a protect the net strategy?

Suggestions?

[Ball_Bag]

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I'd also like some advice. I haven't played this game since NHL 94 on the PC and feel like a newb. On top of the pace of the game being too fast for me, I have the same defensive problems as Gagnon39.

Advice needed please.

[Fiddy]

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just stay in position, back in, stay between him and the net, force that player coming at you to make a great play so to speak to score.

when you are backing in, your player with automatically move his stick side to side.. if that player gets to close, that usually will knock puck free or have you even pick it up yourself.

worst thing you can do so to speak is go for hit and miss.. even if you poke check, your player kinda freezes up and cant move very well..

[Qb]

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Since I'm still out of offline shape, my team defense has been bad. I recently played PIT/NJ on All-Star, losing 4-2 (with ENG at end). So what, right? Well, I have up 48 shots, including 21 in the first period. An extended 5-3 PK, 4min double minor, and several other penalties didn't help, but I'm just not up to snuff at the moment.

One thing I found is the strategy settings seem more sensitive this year. I was trying to mimic the Penguins aggressive defensive zone strategy with puck-side attack & collapsing and I was getting shredded. Points were always wide open, so lots of scrambling and lots of shots. When I backed off to normal & staggered, things improved somewhat. While the strategy options are still quite shallow, it's nice to see they might be a little more important this year.

[stormbringer666]

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One of the things that worries me, is that while playing 'D', the other CPU players are able to "lock" the offensive players with his body, so they can't receive a pass, or shoot the puck if it's in their range. I'm not sure if it's me (which may be the case cause i haven't played an NHL game since NHL2006) but I don't know how to do it.

Even the teammates controlled by the CPU, whom earlier was said don't do anything to opposing players do this thing!

Does anybody know if it's possible to do it? (PS3 version here).

Also, has anyone noticed that if you stay in position and make the offensive player take the outside route to the offensive zone, they won't usually shoot unless you try to check, stick lift or poke check him? At least in my case!

[FBeaule04]

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That game is tough to play on defence, either online or offline. Online, if you're too agressive, you get the decking medecine and if too soft, you have a guy arming the wrister while standing still and getting the top corner.

Offline, it's almost more comical since you can't count on your defense partner AI to help you since he's on a mission to get his jock back in the net. No matter what you do, there's a chance you'll have to let the shot go and watch the CPU put the puck in on the rebound.

EA did everything so that dangling addict get their fix with that game. On the other side of the puck, they made absolutely nothing in NHL 12 to make the d-man have their way. Poke check is tough, blocking shots is an adventure since a guy can deke you out of position in a slip-second, while sticks lift have to be use wisely since you stop skating doing it.

Let's make a little comparison. Some will say that it's normal for a forward in NHL 12 to be able to deke since there's deke like that in real life. Ok, fine with that. If that's the case, then I should be able to follow a guy and make him eat is shorts while trying to deke me since there's D-man in the league that does that all the time.

Have you ever seen Chris Pronger or Nicklas Lidstrom deke out of their skate more than 1 or 2 times in a year? Not me. In fact, forwards are so intelligent right now that they will enter the zone from the other side, knowing that it's easier to get by the other side than face a guy like Pronger or Lidstrom.

I've been asking for a way with my controller to follow a guy who's making moves like crazy to counter that. I don't know if it's possible for EA, but since everyone can do crazy thing, a D-man in front of the human player should be able to do the same crazy things.

But, problem with that is the game built so a 5 minutes period games should end 7-6 and not 1-0. The 1-0 games would make kids and glitchers cry a river, say that the game sucks and they won't play it again.

[d0wntime]

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tip one: turn off autoskate backwards. with this on, it is difficult to force players to the outside and then once they are on the outside good luck taking the puck away since you are no longer facing the puck.

tip two: play high and force your opponent to the outside. With autoskate off you can turn your player toward your boards more easily. Which means more opportunities to use stick lift and poke. so when the rush is even, play a high blue line and stay inside of your opponent. the goal is to slow him down, not necessarily to take the puck away

tip three: defense is about timing. poke check too early and not only do you miss, but especially if they opposition is skating laterally, you will now find yourself out of position. poke check too late and you may get a tripping penalty, or when you miss the opponent will skate right by you. stick lift should be used only to harry your opponent defensively, not if you want to take the puck away. one thing that i have had mixed results on is holding the poke check button and sweeping the stick with the right stick. something that i want to keep working on, but you might find success using this.

tip four: be patient. stay in position, slow your opponent down, and force him/her to take a low percentage shot or to turn over the puck. you may end up spending an extended period in your zone, though with online cheesers you wont. but if you do, be patient and don't get frustrated. frustration leads to overly agressive defense which could lead to chasing which will lead to more grade a scoring chances against.

[Ball_Bag]

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tip one: turn off autoskate backwards.

Where in the game menu is this setting? I can't find it.

[TDKing]

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Where in the game menu is this setting? I can't find it.

I think its under controller settings. I can't remember exactly how to get to it and I'm at work so I can't check.

[bigbob]

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What you have to worry about, not matter what you do, is getting the puck off of him before getting into the hash marks. Usually, once you get in there, I'd say there's a 50/50 chance he's going to score.

What I've learned to do over the past couple of years is you have to make the offensive player make the first move. Post offensive players that I've run into jump on making a move the second the defensive player starts to come at them. So what do I do? Act as if I'm going at them to force them into deking but I actually stay in my position the entire time. What you can do, while they're deking, is hit them. At that point, they can't do anything but continue with the deke since there's no way of pulling out of them. This gives you the advantage every single time.

Now, you said as well about clearing people in front of the net. Get a little momentum and just knock people down. It's what I've been doing since NHL 10. Sure, you can hook up with them in front of the net but they can still grab the puck and shoot and can also still deflect the puck.

You wouldn't have to worry about a lot of this if the stick physics were better. There's time when the stick clearly goes through puck during a poke check or through a stick during a stick lift, regardless of having a 60 stick checking or a 99.

[Ball_Bag]

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I think its under controller settings. I can't remember exactly how to get to it and I'm at work so I can't check.

Found it, thanks.

[savoie2006]

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It should be stated that sometimes it doesn't matter how good of defense you play yourself, if the Cpu is busy standing there or trailing a player making a b line for the net. This is one of the big problems with BAP as many know.

[kerosene31]

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As someone who has played D online and offline since they added bap, defense just is poor this year.

Poke checks and stick lifts are almost completely ineffective this year. If you manage to poke the puck away, most likely it just goes to another CPU player. More likely they just stickhandle through your skates.

You have to just collapse down low and force the puck carrier wide.

I played two games with my BAP d-man and just quit. There's just no fun to it. Push the puck carrier wide and stand in the passing lanes over and over.

It seems that people can't deal with defensive hockey because all our tools have been nerfed to the point of uselessness.

[Fiddy]

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As someone who has played D online and offline since they added bap, defense just is poor this year.

Poke checks and stick lifts are almost completely ineffective this year. If you manage to poke the puck away, most likely it just goes to another CPU player. More likely they just stickhandle through your skates.

You have to just collapse down low and force the puck carrier wide.

I played two games with my BAP d-man and just quit. There's just no fun to it. Push the puck carrier wide and stand in the passing lanes over and over.

It seems that people can't deal with defensive hockey because all our tools have been nerfed to the point of uselessness.

while poke checks etc are a bit toned down this year, they still work very solid when you have 99 def awareness (be a pro).. 2 way dman or defensive dman..

[kerosene31]

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while poke checks etc are a bit toned down this year, they still work very solid when you have 99 def awareness (be a pro).. 2 way dman or defensive dman..

My 17 year old junior doesn't have that. In offline bap the other team shouldn't have high puck control either so I should still be ok.

This is my beef with the game. It shouldn't take boosts to make a simple play.

Watch a real NHL game and people rarely stickhandle through other players. When it does happen, it is rare, like in the Boston/Philly game where Marchand deked past Pronger.