NBA 2K12 Review (360, PS3)

[JCEVO]

Re: NBA 2K12 Review (360, PS3)

online has so many variables that I wouldn't even downgrade a game score based on online play. this 8.5 sound more like 9

everybody can play 2k12 but not everybody can play 2k12 online and just off that online play is irrelevant in reviews.

[FGOmik]

Re: NBA 2K12 Review (360, PS3)

so if nba 2k12 didnt have online play all together then the rating would be higher, right.

Someone made a similar comment on my review of the game and I just don't get it--especially coming from a sports gamer.

Online is a massive part of what gives a sports game its longevity. Even in the best sports games, you can only play the CPU for so long before it becomes completely rote. There is no substitute for human competition.

Further, whether the score would be different if there were no online at all is irrelevant. It IS there and so it needs to be put through its paces and evaluated. And so far, it is dire, at best.

[morningstar777]

I stopped after you said Online Association was decent. It is the worst mode in anything I have ever experienced in an online game.

[RaychelSnr]

Someone made a similar comment on my review of the game and I just don't get it--especially coming from a sports gamer.

Online is a massive part of what gives a sports game its longevity. Even in the best sports games, you can only play the CPU for so long before it becomes completely rote. There is no substitute for human competition.

Further, whether the score would be different if there were no online at all is irrelevant. It IS there and so it needs to be put through its paces and evaluated. And so far, it is dire, at best.

If a AAA title today is released with no online mode, it's top is probably AT BEST an 8.0 and that's if everything else is perfect within the game. So again, just someone trying to twist words and find meaning where there is none. Online is 10-20% of a sports game, depending on the game and all the other intangibles. So that is definitely something that is taken into account. We dock the more minor games all the time not having good online modes (or any at all).

[JCEVO]

Re: NBA 2K12 Review (360, PS3)

sports game survive pretty well without online and now people just act boogie now that online came. people don't gave game nights no more, people don't invite friends over no more. its sad really

online play is so dysfunctional and lack of stability. not everybody have great connection but everybody expects a great connection everytime you hit quick game. people are so blind and naive to what it takes to make a game playable online.

I haven't played a sports game yet that has a great online yet. I played some that durable with a few adjustment to lag but never a game that feels like I'm playing offline which should be what online play is striving for. only 2k get a review hit because of online when all sports game online should take a hit

[truintellectplaya]

To each his own, reviews are worthless play the games for yourselves. How can I game be the best virtual b-ball game ever but get lower scores than games that were not as good. Does not make sense. That is like giving Jordan the best ever, a lower overall score than D-Wade. It just does not make sense. If it's the best true reviews should reflect it being the best. At the end of the day, I think people cry too much about online. Online is not true to sim on any level, so it is not essential to me.

[UrbanMerc]

7 is the top score I would give this game. The online has been broken since the beginning of this generation. That is inexcusable. Add to that the buggy My Player, and you should get no more than a 7 for not fixing those issues after YEARS of repeated neglect towards those issues. I am sure the single player looks and plays like a dream, but I just can't excuse the net code any longer.

You are not getting my $60 this year 2K.

[apollooff320]

To each his own, reviews are worthless play the games for yourselves. How can I game be the best virtual b-ball game ever but get lower scores than games that were not as good. Does not make sense. That is like giving Jordan the best ever, a lower overall score than D-Wade. It just does not make sense. If it's the best true reviews should reflect it being the best. At the end of the day, I think people cry too much about online. Online is not true to sim on any level, so it is not essential to me.

Of coarse it's the best one ever when it doesn't have competition and improving on last years game play. Just like each Madden release will be the best football game ever. The game is good but doesn't deserve a high score since it has so many problems.

[bigsmallwood]

Maybe on your old archaic college paper grading scale

(Insert plug to actually read the scoring rubric to see how we actually score games with a full 10 point scale here)

LOL I have to see how the new scoring system is done. THX

[JCEVO]

Re: NBA 2K12 Review (360, PS3)

Apollo don't even try and put 2k into madden problem. they gameplay has the same for years. 2k uses the same engine but 2k12 plays nothing like 2k11. animations are better, a.I. is far superior.out the box and presentation is godly IMO. and this is without elite.

[spankdatazz22]

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The thing I don't like about the review is that it doesn't seem to take any intangibles into account. I think the degree of programming difficulty present in NBA2K from the standpoint of implementing signature style for pretty much every player and giving gamers the ability to customize these styles is pretty unprecedented to my knowledge; don't think another game comes close to that level of programming difficulty. Not going to list the gameplay enhancements that go along with that but I do think gameplay the game is likely top 1-3 representations of it's sport. Likewise the level of Presentation in this game; imo it's not just better, it really sets the standard for other games to be judged against bar none. Not only did they set a standard for presentation in regular game mode games, they also went WAY beyond with what they did presentation-wise for the Legends.

Another intangible not taken into account imo is the amount of content in this game versus other sports games. Again, I haven't played every sports game so I don't know what other games are doing content-wise. But this game has modes beyond what most games have in the Legends mode (which was done extremely well, with it's own presentation elements dedicated to it), Blacktop which is always overlooked/taken for granted, Online Franchise which to my knowledge isn't a staple in all sports games, and My Player. My point is the degree of difficulty implementing everything in the game would seem to be quite different from a game just doing "the basics", so to speak. What's the incentive for a developer to try to go above and beyond when they'll be judged no differently (or perhaps even harsher, because the standard is higher(?)) if they don't excel at something considered basic.

I'm not much of an online player but have dabbled this year after reading all the complaints just to see what it was about myself. Out of maybe 10-12 or so attempts to connect I'd say 4 times I couldn't connect at all, had 3 where the connection dropped at different parts of the game and was able to have 5 complete games; 4-1 record against randoms. In every game I was able to play, the person played questionably - attempting to steal constantly, jumping inbounds passes, etc. Not that they knew it, they just played that way. I don't want to knock online play but it's really subjective in terms of the experience you'll get. Some people won't even touch My Player. Or Blacktop. Or online association. Or offline association (which to my understanding is still one of the top franchise modes in sports gaming).

Either way, just wanted to rant so /rant. Would like to see the game get the props it deserves. Although I wonder how they'd be judged if they only did "the basics", where most games don't have the level of signature style in this game nor the many gameplay modes this game has. I don't disagree knocking it for online or My Player, just think other things weren't given enough credit given the circumstances (that most sports games don't attempt to do what they have) and what the game is as a total package.

[scoonie05]

Re: NBA 2K12 Review (360, PS3)

Apollo don't even try and put 2k into madden problem. they gameplay has the same for years. 2k uses the same engine but 2k12 plays nothing like 2k11. animations are better, a.I. is far superior.out the box and presentation is godly IMO. and this is without elite.

Dude, please don't tell me that you're saying that madden 11 plays like madden 12?? If so, I don't respect your opinion from now on. LOL

[coop15]

A crew mode and my player pick up would make it a ten in my book and much more speaking for the psn users

[RaychelSnr]

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The thing I don't like about the review is that it doesn't seem to take any intangibles into account. I think the degree of programming difficulty present in NBA2K from the standpoint of implementing signature style for pretty much every player and giving gamers the ability to customize these styles is pretty unprecedented to my knowledge; don't think another game comes close to that level of programming difficulty. Not going to list the gameplay enhancements that go along with that but I do think gameplay the game is likely top 1-3 representations of it's sport. Likewise the level of Presentation in this game; imo it's not just better, it really sets the standard for other games to be judged against bar none. Not only did they set a standard for presentation in regular game mode games, they also went WAY beyond with what they did presentation-wise for the Legends.

Another intangible not taken into account imo is the amount of content in this game versus other sports games. Again, I haven't played every sports game so I don't know what other games are doing content-wise. But this game has modes beyond what most games have in the Legends mode (which was done extremely well, with it's own presentation elements dedicated to it), Blacktop which is always overlooked/taken for granted, Online Franchise which to my knowledge isn't a staple in all sports games, and My Player. My point is the degree of difficulty implementing everything in the game would seem to be quite different from a game just doing "the basics", so to speak. What's the incentive for a developer to try to go above and beyond when they'll be judged no differently (or perhaps even harsher, because the standard is higher(?)) if they don't excel at something considered basic.

I'm not much of an online player but have dabbled this year after reading all the complaints just to see what it was about myself. Out of maybe 10-12 or so attempts to connect I'd say 4 times I couldn't connect at all, had 3 where the connection dropped at different parts of the game and was able to have 5 complete games; 4-1 record against randoms. In every game I was able to play, the person played questionably - attempting to steal constantly, jumping inbounds passes, etc. Not that they knew it, they just played that way. I don't want to knock online play but it's really subjective in terms of the experience you'll get. Some people won't even touch My Player. Or Blacktop. Or online association. Or offline association (which to my understanding is still one of the top franchise modes in sports gaming).

Either way, just wanted to rant so /rant. Would like to see the game get the props it deserves. Although I wonder how they'd be judged if they only did "the basics", where most games don't have the level of signature style in this game nor the many gameplay modes this game has. I don't disagree knocking it for online or My Player, just think other things weren't given enough credit given the circumstances (that most sports games don't attempt to do what they have) and what the game is as a total package.

A lot of good points, but really: all of those things are taken into account. I'm not sure what you are really trying to say after all of that because a lot of it is incredibly contradictory (want us to take the sheer amount of content into account but also take just the basics and not worry about modes few touch?) but we take an ENTIRE game into account and as I've already said a few times today, the fact that with so much broken in the game it still got an 8.5 on our new full 10 point scale is a HUGE accomplishment. If the gameplay or presentation were lacking in any way, this game would've been knocked a bit more due to the game's issues with online. If you play the game offline, the score is higher, if you play it online it's much lower. I feel the score Dustin gave the game represents the best balance for sure.

[RaychelSnr]

Re: NBA 2K12 Review (360, PS3)

Apollo don't even try and put 2k into madden problem. they gameplay has the same for years. 2k uses the same engine but 2k12 plays nothing like 2k11. animations are better, a.I. is far superior.out the box and presentation is godly IMO. and this is without elite.

It's linked right in the review article at the top man. And what an 8.0 - 8.5 means is also listed at the bottom. Pretty easy to find that info