Game Enjoyment

[seawolves9]

How are you guys enjoying the game? I want to like the game, I really do. I've tried sliders, different game modes, game play styles, custom tactics, game levels, basically everything I can to enjoy this game, but in the end, I always come away feeling disappointed or let down at certain aspects of the game, mainly with the gameplay. I've become fed up with the way that the CPU teams and players all play the same. Even lower level teams can pass the ball around like they're world class players, and dribble the same to. You close them down? Good job. They cut and move the ball on their feet like they're Messi. Such ball control and agility. It's kind of amusing to this point. What makes matters worse is that when defending, the defenders always seem to have a "pause" when changing direction, which I feel like they should, but combine that with the quickness and ball control of the CPU offense and it's game over. I can't tell you how many times I've locked opponents down, only to see them dribble there way backwards and pin point a pass to the box, have that player cut and dribble a little bit, turn, and shoot a dribbler from outside the box, and somehow beat my goalkeeper with it.

If you read all that, I applaud you. It was a lot. I hope you don't take me for a disgruntled casual gamer who is having troubles adjusting to TD or to the fact that you can't ping pong your way to goals anymore. That's not how I play. I play on all-manual, and have since FIFA 10. I play the game like it should be played, but the problem is, the game itself isn't built to represent the beautiful game of soccer. So trying to replicate that experience just results in failure and frustration on my part.

So, back to the original, honest, sincere, question: How are you able to enjoy the game? Mindsets, game play tips, anything would help. I don't want to give up on this game because I'm a gamer. I love sports/sports games. I'm just getting tired of these games being released that are supposed to represent their respective sport but fall short. Maybe my expectations are just too high, I don't know...

Thanks for reading

[rckabillyRaider]

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I hear ya. I've been playing this game alot lately while I wait on an option file for the other soccer game. I've finally found some settings that make games more enjoyable for me. Also I feel that the funnest way for me to play is career mode controlling my virtual pro only.

The main thing that bothers me and I've tried everything to find a solution but to no avail, is that the cpu just won't shoot and really won't attack. I usually outshoot them by a 3:1 or 4:1 ratio. I've thought about moving up to legendary but the final scores for my games on world class are usually decided by a goal or two.

We just gotta resign to the fact that it is what it is. Love it or leave it.

[seawolves9]

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We just gotta resign to the fact that it is what it is. Love it or leave it.

That's what I started to think after the patch mess with NCAA.

[jin192]

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i had this problem defending, usually when they are outside of the penalty box, dun even try to lock them down, it doesnt work 80% of the time and they would just cheese turn their way to goal(at least on legendary difficulty), i just try and contain them to the penalty box and tackle when im side by side

[seawolves9]

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i had this problem defending, usually when they are outside of the penalty box, dun even try to lock them down, it doesnt work 80% of the time and they would just cheese turn their way to goal(at least on legendary difficulty), i just try and contain them to the penalty box and tackle when im side by side

That's exactly what I've seen on Legendary as well. The actual button for contain doesn't really do anything, as you're basically toast if the CPU decides to turn at all. You're left flat footed and destroyed. And from there there's nothing you can do. It's all I started to see. Even with manually containing/jockeying if you try to turn the other way to follow the ball, your player pauses, so to speak, creating that much more separation.

What makes matters worse to me is that the AI on the other hand, is nearly GODLY compared to yours. They can mark anyone with anyone, doesn't matter of speed or ball control really. The AI defenders still poke the ball out while you're mid sprint, stopping the ball on the spot as well. It just doesn't sit right with me to see that. Anything the CPU can do, I should be able to do, and vice versa. But on any level of play I see areas where they're clearly programmed better than me. It's just on higher levels, the frequency of seeing this 'perfect' play form the CPU is much higher. I feel like the CPU can read my mind.

Another thing I forgot to mention in my original post, is the lack of effort put forth by your players. I know it's been kind of a stigma with the FIFA series, but it seems to have gotten worse this iteration. I've seen on countless times where I will pass the ball to an open teammate, only to have him stand in place OR float backwards, while the defender is storming for the ball and steals it. Same thing on corners/crosses. Players aren't aggressive enough.

CPU can also back pedal it seems. I was playing a game earlier, where a defender from West Brom was back pedaling stride for stride with Lukaku. That's not right.

Not to turn this into a hate/bash EA thread, that's not my intention at all, but has anyone else thought about how easy of a job it would be to mediate the community involvement for their games? I might be understating, as I don't really have an understanding of what the job is actually for, but to me, it seems all you would have to do is come onto a dedicated sports form like OS and just ask what the glaring holes in the foundation and nuances in the sport. And anyone on here would gladly assist you and give you a detailed description of any issue.

/end rant/

Any other opinions? What you're seeing?

[jin192]

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good mention about the lack of effort by ur forward players, this is something that is perfect in the pes series for years but just absent in FIFA, the open man should at least try and win the ball from a pass rather than waiting for the ball to come to him.

oh well i have tuned down to world class, at least the cpu gives me space to breath after my every pass, as long as it lets me enjoy my game better, i dun mind not playing at the highest level

[peigone]

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Set the CPU speed, accel, pass error and shot error sliders differently for high level teams than for low level teams. Apart from editing player ratings, that's one way to get teams to play differently.

To get CPU teams to attack and shoot more -- and to see more CPU fouls -- raise CPU team tactic shooting and pressure ratings, and raise the CPU man marking slider. These settings also greatly help with the issue of getting teams to play differently.

It's all in the tweaking fellas. The sliders are great in that they really work, and they allow you to pretty much customize the game however you like. I have always played FIFA on Semi-Pro or Pro. This year, by simply lowering CPU speed and accel sliders, I'm able to have competitive games with the CPU on Legendary.

[peigone]

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I can't tell you how many times I've locked opponents down, only to see them dribble there way backwards and pin point a pass to the box, have that player cut and dribble a little bit, turn, and shoot a dribbler from outside the box, and somehow beat my goalkeeper with it.

Yeah, all very familiar. The CPU pinpoint passing followed by yet another goal is easily fixed by raising the CPU pass error and shot error sliders. And I'll repeat the "easily fixed" part of that to emphasize that it's just a matter of two simple slider tweaks.

Lowering CPU speed and accel sliders will help with the CPU psychically spinning away and eluding tackles (and with the above issue). But the real problem there is CPU player agility ratings need to be lowered by 50%, which unfortunately is too much work for most people of course. The CPU uber-agility is maybe the most ridiculous aspect of FIFA this year. But this series and their NHL series has always been about over-the-top CPU play to satisfy the young thumb jockies, so it's no surprise. It's just too bad that us older folk who would prefer to see realistic, authentic gameplay have to suffer as a result.

[Gonira]

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i'm having great enjoyment with this game using the sliders posted here for single player and challenging friends with default settings. for me it is great, and even if konami gets one or other thing right that ea does not, overall pes 2012 is a joke compared to fifa.

i don't want to sound like a fanboy. the game has issues and you have pointed them correctly here, i agree with everything you guys said. i'm just saying that the issues are far from enough to spoil the game to me. modern games are too complex and i believe it's just impossible to have 100% perfect gameplay in a sports game. ai programming is very difficult to deal with.

i believe ea listens to their clients database indeed. this is what their forums are for, at least.

imo fifa 12 is the best football game ever, by a good margin. five years ago we would be completely amazed by way way less.

so the answer is "very high expectations" imo.

but don't shut up. good criticism is what brings evolution to the series.

[MrKasoogi]

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Yeah, all very familiar. The CPU pinpoint passing followed by yet another goal is easily fixed by raising the CPU pass error and shot error sliders. And I'll repeat the "easily fixed" part of that to emphasize that it's just a matter of two simple slider tweaks.

Lowering CPU speed and accel sliders will help with the CPU psychically spinning away and eluding tackles (and with the above issue). But the real problem there is CPU player agility ratings need to be lowered by 50%, which unfortunately is too much work for most people of course. The CPU uber-agility is maybe the most ridiculous aspect of FIFA this year. But this series and their NHL series has always been about over-the-top CPU play to satisfy the young thumb jockies, so it's no surprise. It's just too bad that us older folk who would prefer to see realistic, authentic gameplay have to suffer as a result.

I resent that. I'm 13 years old and want to see realistic, authentic gameplay in all the sports games I play. As for this game, it has obviously improved greatly over Fifa 11, especially with the addition of sliders. However, I still have an issue with the game which is that the CPU doesn't shoot. I'm playing on World Class with sliders of my own creation that have given me very realistic gameplay except for this. What usually happens is; the CPU gets the ball from me in their third, slowly works their way up with methodical passing to midfield, pass the ball to their fastest player who makes a run, then passes to a player in good shooting position...tension building for me...and the player doesn't shoot. He just doesn't shoot. He keeps on dribbling or passes to another player and eventually I tackle or intercept the ball. They've spent five minutes of clock time pressuring me heavily in my third, but I get out of it unscarred four-fifths of the time. The other one-fifth of the time the player shoots and misses, (which is something I can fix by lowering CPU shot error), creating a stat line of 2-3 shots, 1-2 on target, 0 goals. How can I tweak the game to make the CPU shoot more?

[peigone]

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I resent that. I'm 13 years old and want to see realistic, authentic gameplay in all the sports games I play. How can I tweak the game to make the CPU shoot more?

Well then, you're one in a million kid.

To get the CPU to shoot, just go into their team tactics and raise shooting tactics while lowering passing. I just played a game where the CPU fired a ton of shots from way outside the box -- probably 65% of it's shots were from long range. Mind you, I also upped some CPU players' long shot ratings, so results may vary.

[MrKasoogi]

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To get the CPU to shoot, just go into their team tactics and raise shooting tactics while lowering passing. I just played a game where the CPU fired a ton of shots from way outside the box -- probably 65% of it's shots were from long range. Mind you, I also upped some CPU players' long shot ratings, so results may vary.

I'm assuming there's no way of doing it if I've already started career mode.

[peigone]

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I'm assuming there's no way of doing it if I've already started career mode.

Hoo boy, probably not. You have to be able to access CPU teams' lineups, tactics, etc.

[ezio]

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I am really only playing UT right now because I do enjoy that. I applied CTT for the EPL and it helps but the amount of transfers in the 1st season kills CM for me so I will stick to UT.

[MrKasoogi]

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Hoo boy, probably not. You have to be able to access CPU teams' lineups, tactics, etc.

Yeah, that's what I thought. I have a limited amount of gaming time though, so I like to spend as much time as I can actually playing rather than tweaking options. I've already spent too much time doing transfers in my Chelsea MM so maybe I'll start another one as Bayern or Real with CTT's. Problem is, I'm guessing there is much more CTT's created for the EPL than the Bundesliga. If only I had the time to run three MM's with my three favorite clubs all with CTT's for the whole league.