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Quote: Originally Posted by spankdatazz22

Give me a break. I don't play online much but have some (I think I'm 6-3) so maybe I shouldn't be commenting. But have problems with your views. One, you seem to be basing your "[2K12]'s a horrible basketball simulation game" view on how people play the game online which imo is ridiculous. By FAR most of the people that purchase this game aren't going to take the time to really learn it. Most of the people here don't take the time to really learn it. The game has levels of depth we haven't seen in another basketball game, perhaps other sports games. I don't know the game inside/out so I can't say what a really knowledgeable player might do to a cheeser. But from what I've seen really knowledgeable players can more often than not win out against people using cheesey tactics. I don't know your playstyle but people that do the equivalent of the British during the Revolutionary War and stand right in front of their opponent to get shot - and not adapt to an opponent's tactics - should lose. You need to accept you're in the minority. People like you try to use the "game's not SIM" label as some derogatory term because you want to force everyone to play like you play. While we can debate 2K's execution, I don't think anyone can question their intention. imo they have tried to deliver one of the deepest sports games to date and gives gamers a lot of options in terms of making the game as sim or arcade as the gamer would like. Views like yours are very short-sighted and imo would hurt the game overall with this narrow view of how things should be.

Like I said to you in the other thread, until you download the patch and play online, keep your opinion about my opinion to yourself. We're literally discussing apples and oranges here. Your impression of online is based on whatever version you're playing right this moment. My impression of online is based on the latest version from 2K Sports, a version you haven't been able to play yet, I'm assuming. I had no problem with the game online before the 1.03 patch. Now I do. Before the 1.03 patch, I was like 9 and 2 in online quick games, and those 2 losses were from buzzer beaters. Since the patch, I'm like 5 and 5, including 3 blowout losses. Obviously, something has changed and it's not my "stick skills."

And when I'm evaluating a game's "simness" online, I'm referring to how much success a cheeser can have versus a "simmer." If a guy wants to cheese, but I can still beat him 10 times out of 10 playing actual basketball, then by all means cheese away because you're only hurting yourself. I'm not an idiot. I'm not going to fault the game for how the cheeser chooses to play.

However, if the cheeser is able to spam steal and play frantic defense, ball hog with his best player, and leave my guys open literally every possession and still win, then I have a problem with that. That's when I do fault the game because those type of tactics shouldn't win out against superior basketball knowledge and execution. I'd like to see the Lakers try that against the Timberwolves. The Timberwolves would run them out the gym, and I think we all can agree on that. But that's not the case now since the patch. But, wait, you actually have to play it first to judge for yourself...

Don't believe online has gotten worse since the patch? Just go to the 2K Forums and see for yourself. You think people complain here? It doesn't even hold a candle to what goes on over there.