How FIFA Can Extend Its Lead Over PES

[DustinT]

While PES is busy playing catch up, this would be a good time for FIFA to extend its dominance in the virtual football world. It really is amazing how much the game has improved, starting from FIFA 08. Steady slews of improvements year after year, and boom, all of a sudden the title has become the juggernaut that it is today.

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[Steven547]

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I haven't played a FIFA Console game in about 3 years. But if they follow the concept of FIFA Manager, they'll have a sure winner. When doing "manager" mode, I expect to be just "manager", not player as well. Defeats the purpose if you know how to "beat" the game by doing certain moves the CPU can't pick up. Or at least have that as an option to "manage only" or "manager - player".

FIFA Manager allows you to manage the team and build stadiums, etc. (This is PC only). Add the graphics from the FIFA console to FIFA Manager with ability to 'manage only' or be player-manager and you have a winner.

[Benicio10]

FIFA is a great game - well constructed, well produced. My issue is that I can't tell the difference between star players and average players. In PES, you can, from the moment they touch the ball, if just FEELS different when you control them.

I often find myself looking at the display to see who the player is. I should be able to instantly tell by appearance and play style.

[Steven547]

The lack of distinction (or separation) between All Star players and mediocre players, seems to be a characteristic of EA. Even in NHL12, the differences are very minimal at best. EA preaches "sim", yet the gameplay is far from it. This is another area they need to improve upon if they wish to widen the lead over PES. Otherwise, that gap will close real quick, especially if PES gets the rights to more players and teams.

And with people releasing option files WITH those extra teams, that gap is already shrinking.

[milin]

For me to like the game they just have to fix the AI and the lack of fouls against the CPU. They need the CPU to make human like mistakes and stop being too perfect when executing tackles so there can be more fouls.

[peigone]

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The lack of distinction (or separation) between All Star players and mediocre players, seems to be a characteristic of EA. Even in NHL12, the differences are very minimal at best. EA preaches "sim", yet the gameplay is far from it.

To be fair, neither game this year is particularly sim. FIFA has the usual static and unimaginative programming shortcomings, including the one you described. And PES plays much too fast, and has serious programming flaws along with terrible scripting issues. It's pretty simple really: the two main reasons FIFA outsells PES is due to marketing and licences. And because Konami keeps shooting themselves in the foot. They had a chance to catch up this year after an improved PES 2011, but then screwed the pooch by releasing a shoddy and borderline broken PES 2012. It's been the same old story with both these franchises for years now.

[spit_bubble]

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...They had a chance to catch up this year after an improved PES 2011, but then screwed the pooch by releasing a shoddy and borderline broken PES 2012...

This is just a flat out lie. You need to stop with that nonsense.

As for FIFA, if they put even just an ounce of effort towards the AI they would have the best sports game on the market. Until that time FIFA will always just seem like a showcase for their latest tech.

[lhslancers]

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FIFA needs to work on the Impact Engine, try to get more fouls into the game w/o ruining the flow and improve the AI.

PES needs a new engine and an entirely new development team. They never figured out how to get the game onto the newest generation machines. The game is awful.

[Profit89]

PES is the better game this year. Licenses aside, it's all about the gameplay. And pes wins in that department. Plus, you can update the game via patches or option file, so the lack of licenses is a non-issue. Actutally, I prefer customization over licenses. The more you can customize, the easier it is to keep the game updated.

[tril]

Dont rest on Your laurels.
thats what PES did.
PES use to be the premiere soccer title, and out of no where FIFA took the crown away.
cosign what ihslancers said about PES.

[tril]

PES is the better game this year. Licenses aside, it's all about the gameplay. And pes wins in that department. Plus, you can update the game via patches or option file, so the lack of licenses is a non-issue. Actutally, I prefer customization over licenses. The more you can customize, the easier it is to keep the game updated.

in what way is PES better than FIFA?
I used to like the PES title better, but the past couple of years I went with popular opinion, in deciding what soccer game to buy.

[karavalvin]

I don't get it either why PES is considered so good this year. After reading reviews about the excellent gameplay I went and bought it. The reason I was eager to purchase it was because as the article stated FIFA unfortunately tends to get a little repetitive. Have you noticed that the computer AI rarely uses the long ball. There is a lack of spontaneity with the game. So I went and bought PES (especially since I really do not care about official licenses) and to be honest I was disappointed. While I LOVE the fact that the AI makes great runs and the opposition attacks in various ways I didn't like the feel of the game. The passes didn't seem to have weight, through balls were entirely too successful, crosses were too easy. When your dribbling with the ball it didn't feel right, again there seemed a lack of weight to the player. I don't know how to describe it exactly. I know I keep saying weight, but that is only way I can express it. With FIFA when your dribbling with the ball or passing or jostling for position it seems solid whereas with PES I never got that feeling. Anyway it is probably just all in my head but in my opinion if FIFA fixes the AI this wouldn't even be a discussion for me.

[peigone]

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Dont rest on Your laurels.
thats what PES did.

Konami didn't rest on their laurels. They took what was starting to work in PES 2011, changed it all and in the process messed it up in PES 2012. One step forward and two back yet again and for the fifth/sixth year running. It's EA that doesn't do much with their game year after year. Konami could actually take a lesson from EA -- simple, basic consistency would go a long way towards re-establishing their product and fan base.

[nvinceable1]

Even though I have many gripes about the scripted repetitive nature of FIFA's gameplay I can honestly say that if they did nothing other than overhaul career mode & clubs for FIFA13 it would be a huge winner in my book. The game is still a long way from a sim, the closest I can get is playing with full manual controls against other full manual players. Nevertheless, when we take our full manual clubs online we get matched against assisted teams 99% of the time and it's always a lobbed through ball finesse shot fest, nothing even remotely resembling football. Regardless we've learned to make the best of it and we can hold our own. If they could just update the club mode that hasn't changed in a few years and at least make it somewhat stable I would be happy. Career mode speaks for itself, people want a deep and engrossing experience and FIFA career mode doesn't even scratch the surface. While NBA 2k12's MyPlayer & Association modes aren't perfect they would be a good place for FIFA to steal some inspiration from. FIFA needs something other than bland mindless kickball. I'm not even gonna touch on the AI...

[newtonfb]

WTF OS, Its these kinds of articles that will turn the soccer games into the football games now. PES makes Fifa better and Fifa makes PES better. If we dont have competition we'll end up with Madden and NCAA types games who are way behind the other sports games. Certain people like PES, certain people like Fifa and certain people like both. Let it be and most importantly you should love that fact we have 2 soccer games to play for everyones sake.