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  • bigtxambition
    Just started!
    • Jul 2008
    • 1441

    #2851
    Re: Dallas Cowboys War Room

    OK why? He's gonna be the top FA CB. He's obviously a good fit for them. They can dump Newman's butt and bring in Finnegan for the contract they would have given Asomugha last offseason. Finnegan is 27 and an elite corner talent, makes perfect sense to me. The other veteran option is trade for Asante Samuel and he's like 30. Smart move any way you see it.

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    • cjonesfan921
      UGH, next year
      • Jan 2005
      • 20081

      #2852
      Re: Dallas Cowboys War Room

      Originally posted by bigtxambition
      OK why? He's gonna be the top FA CB. He's obviously a good fit for them. They can dump Newman's butt and bring in Finnegan for the contract they would have given Asomugha last offseason. Finnegan is 27 and an elite corner talent, makes perfect sense to me. The other veteran option is trade for Asante Samuel and he's like 30. Smart move any way you see it.
      He's also extremely overrated.

      Grimes is a better fit.

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      • untrugby
        Haterade Drinker
        • Aug 2010
        • 1613

        #2853
        Re: Dallas Cowboys War Room

        Originally posted by bigtxambition
        OMG, did you guys know that CB Cortland Finnegan is a FA? I say address your obvious CB problem with Finnegan and then draft DeCastro at #14. Use your 2nd RDer for a decent nickle CB.
        Now i know youre a traitor.
        Last edited by untrugby; 01-09-2012, 05:27 PM.

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        • bigtxambition
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          • Jul 2008
          • 1441

          #2854
          Re: Dallas Cowboys War Room

          You're forgetting Tim Jennings. He's a decent talent too. I say any of my selections could be an option for Dallas.

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          • cjonesfan921
            UGH, next year
            • Jan 2005
            • 20081

            #2855
            Re: Dallas Cowboys War Room

            Originally posted by bigtxambition
            You're forgetting Tim Jennings. He's a decent talent too. I say any of my selections could be an option for Dallas.
            I say, for once, thank god Jerruh running the team and not you.

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            • SoxFan01605
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              • Jan 2008
              • 7982

              #2856
              Re: Dallas Cowboys War Room

              Originally posted by bigtxambition
              OK why? He's gonna be the top FA CB. He's obviously a good fit for them. They can dump Newman's butt and bring in Finnegan for the contract they would have given Asomugha last offseason. Finnegan is 27 and an elite corner talent, makes perfect sense to me. The other veteran option is trade for Asante Samuel and he's like 30. Smart move any way you see it.
              He's not worth the contract Asomugha would have gotten and, even if he was, throwing huge contracts at guys (especially one's carrying the rep he has) isn't what the Cowboys need to be doing right now. They need solid value pick ups and good drafting.

              Just ask youself "What would Jerry do?" Then assume the opposite is the correct move.

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              • wwharton
                *ll St*r
                • Aug 2002
                • 26949

                #2857
                Re: Dallas Cowboys War Room

                Originally posted by rgiles36
                What was so awful? By all accounts, Gurode wasn't some star in Baltimore.
                Not sure what you mean here. He's been fine in Baltimore rotating at guard and center, and Birk doesn't have much time left. Not sure what you may have heard but don't believe it.

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                • RGiles36
                  MVP
                  • Jan 2008
                  • 3960

                  #2858
                  Re: Dallas Cowboys War Room

                  Originally posted by wwharton
                  Not sure what you mean here. He's been fine in Baltimore rotating at guard and center, and Birk doesn't have much time left. Not sure what you may have heard but don't believe it.
                  The person I quoted used the words unforgivable, awful, and mismanaged to characterize the Cowboys releasing Gurode. While Phil Costa (Gurode's replacement) didn't play great, I don't know that Gurode played that much better in B-more.

                  If Gurode responded with an All-Pro or Pro Bowl season (did he?), then I would feel similar to how "untrughby" described.
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                  • untrugby
                    Haterade Drinker
                    • Aug 2010
                    • 1613

                    #2859
                    Re: Dallas Cowboys War Room

                    Originally posted by rgiles36
                    The person I quoted used the words unforgivable, awful, and mismanaged to characterize the Cowboys releasing Gurode. While Phil Costa (Gurode's replacement) didn't play great, I don't know that Gurode played that much better in B-more.

                    If Gurode responded with an All-Pro or Pro Bowl season (did he?), then I would feel similar to how "untrughby" described.
                    its not about Gurode its how awful Costa was and they had to have seen that in the preseason given that Costa got all the reps while Gurode was out. They knew Costa was awful way below starting quality and cut Gurode anyways. Its unforgivable because we wasted at least 1 year "rebuilding" on a team that has to win now.

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                    • wwharton
                      *ll St*r
                      • Aug 2002
                      • 26949

                      #2860
                      Re: Dallas Cowboys War Room

                      Originally posted by rgiles36
                      The person I quoted used the words unforgivable, awful, and mismanaged to characterize the Cowboys releasing Gurode. While Phil Costa (Gurode's replacement) didn't play great, I don't know that Gurode played that much better in B-more.

                      If Gurode responded with an All-Pro or Pro Bowl season (did he?), then I would feel similar to how "untrughby" described.
                      I have no idea how Costa played. But I also don't see how Gurode would need to play at an All pro or pro bowl level to dispute the comment that he "wasn't some star" in Baltimore or that letting him go was a mistake. He's not a full time starter in Baltimore so there's no way he'd be an All Pro, but he's an important part of a rotation that helps block for a run heavy offense very successfully. He's subbed in for injured players at guard and center as a starter without missing a beat and may be a full time starter if Birk retires. He's been a great addition.

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                      • RGiles36
                        MVP
                        • Jan 2008
                        • 3960

                        #2861
                        Re: Dallas Cowboys War Room

                        Originally posted by untrugby
                        its not about Gurode its how awful Costa was and they had to have seen that in the preseason given that Costa got all the reps while Gurode was out. They knew Costa was awful way below starting quality and cut Gurode anyways. Its unforgivable because we wasted at least 1 year "rebuilding" on a team that has to win now.
                        Well, let's not pretend the entire the OL was not an issue in 2010 (maybe with the exception of Doug Free). Gurode started on that porous O-line. Even when he landed on the top 100 current players list this past offseason, scouts and media indicated he made that list on reputation alone as he wasn't playing that well.

                        In addition, the reports were that he came to camp out of shape. Not only that, he opted to have knee surgery late in the uncertain offseason. So it was his own doing that lead to him being hurt during training camp and the preseason. The buzz then was that Phil Costa was playing well, well enough to go cheaper at the position.

                        You're free to disagree with that of course. But I feel that if Gurode was still on the roster, the interior of the OL would still be an issue this coming offseason.
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                        • untrugby
                          Haterade Drinker
                          • Aug 2010
                          • 1613

                          #2862
                          Re: Dallas Cowboys War Room

                          Originally posted by rgiles36
                          Well, let's not pretend the entire the OL was not an issue in 2010 (maybe with the exception of Doug Free). Gurode started on that porous O-line. Even when he landed on the top 100 current players list this past offseason, scouts and media indicated he made that list on reputation alone as he wasn't playing that well.

                          In addition, the reports were that he came to camp out of shape. Not only that, he opted to have knee surgery late in the uncertain offseason. So it was his own doing that lead to him being hurt during training camp and the preseason. The buzz then was that Phil Costa was playing well, well enough to go cheaper at the position.

                          You're free to disagree with that of course. But I feel that if Gurode was still on the roster, the interior of the OL would still be an issue this coming offseason.
                          Yes OL would still be an issue but having the ball snapped correctly to Romo wouldnt be an issue. If Gurode would have taken the pay cut he would have been our starter this season. Thats the big problem i have with how it went down. We tried to nickel and dime him when we had 18 mil in cap space so we could plan for the future. Its the whole idea of basically just giving up on the season by not using the best personnel you have available to you that makes me mad. Sure he might have been a little under-preforming his contract but we had the money to spend and I thought the goal was to win a SB this year. I was mistaken.

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                          • RGiles36
                            MVP
                            • Jan 2008
                            • 3960

                            #2863
                            Re: Dallas Cowboys War Room

                            Originally posted by untrugby
                            Yes OL would still be an issue but having the ball snapped correctly to Romo wouldnt be an issue.
                            LOL, surely you haven't forgotten about the 2007 game against the Rams when Gurode sent the ball sailing over Tony's head and he made a miraculous scramble for the first down . Gurode has had his share of whacky shotgun snaps.

                            Originally posted by untrugby
                            If Gurode would have taken the pay cut he would have been our starter this season. Thats the big problem i have with how it went down. We tried to nickel and dime him when we had 18 mil in cap space so we could plan for the future. Its the whole idea of basically just giving up on the season by not using the best personnel you have available to you that makes me mad. Sure he might have been a little under-preforming his contract but we had the money to spend and I thought the goal was to win a SB this year. I was mistaken.
                            Understood, and I definitely see and respect where you're coming from with that thinking.
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                            • bigtxambition
                              Just started!
                              • Jul 2008
                              • 1441

                              #2864
                              Re: Dallas Cowboys War Room

                              OK good. Its clear to me that drafting the best player available is the best option for Dallas. I think drafting for a C is a bigger need then CB. You can always address that need in FA. Drafting DeCastro at #14 makes perfect sense for Dallas.

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                              • Scott
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                                • Jul 2002
                                • 20032

                                #2865
                                Re: Dallas Cowboys War Room

                                If we don't draft DeCastro or Dennard, I will be very pissed off...DeCastro is arguably the top interior lineman.
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