NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Available Now - Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

[Lyvean]

Re: NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Available Now - Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

The problem with the double team issue is that is simply unbalances ALL aspects of the game.

It unbalances points, defence, fouls, fatigue, open play, everything.

Has anyone seen the A.I. doing a double team to another A.I. team?

I still find it incredibly insulting that those clowns at 2k have produced such a faulty game and then remain silent about its problems. Especially the double team problem...

Simply unbelievable. But I know next year people will flock to buy this broken product again, hoping that it's fixed.

If you don't do that (I won't) and sales go down, then 2k will think twice about releasing such product.

[daman22]

Re: NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Available Now For PS3, Post Impressions Here

This issue is on Xbox 360:

OK, I downloaded the TU, the online_data, and the 1x7 roster, the roster loads, the black arms are fixed in game, but when I go to edit one of the rookies that had black arms(I tested Justin Harper), the game freezes when it says loading NIKEID. And when viewing the roster/lineup, his face doesnt show up, its just a grey head shape. The Online_data loaded fien cause the 1st time i put the game in it showed all the new shoes. could it be the TU? I put it in cache, ho do I know if it worked? How can I fix this?

[Whaaaazuuuuup]

Re: NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Available Now - Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

The problem with the double team issue is that is simply unbalances ALL aspects of the game.

It unbalances points, defence, fouls, fatigue, open play, everything.

Has anyone seen the A.I. doing a double team to another A.I. team?

I still find it incredibly insulting that those clowns at 2k have produced such a faulty game and then remain silent about its problems. Especially the double team problem...

Simply unbelievable. But I know next year people will flock to buy this broken product again, hoping that it's fixed.

If you don't do that (I won't) and sales go down, then 2k will think twice about releasing such product.

Raise your (& the CPUs) help defense strength. I currently have mine set to 80 and it works great!! The Knicks doubled Jordan during his hot streak each time he caught the ball...

[greenegt]

Re: NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Available Now - Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

Raise your (& the CPUs) help defense strength. I currently have mine set to 80 and it works great!! The Knicks doubled Jordan during his hot streak each time he caught the ball...

I'll have to give this a try. Have you noticed if it helps increase doubles in the post?

[Whaaaazuuuuup]

Re: NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Available Now - Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

I'll have to give this a try. Have you noticed if it helps increase doubles in the post?

Yes! I gotta tell you, I've got a slider setting that has saved this game for me. You'll see slot of random things. Plenty of realistic fast break. CPU will now take their time setting up their offense and select good shots. Off rebs are a tad on the low end (5-10 a game) but im still treaking. No more obsord 3pt shot(30-40% a game average) Give it a try and let me know if you'd like to try the slider settings...

[Altimus]

Re: NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Available Now - Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

I'll have to give this a try. Have you noticed if it helps increase doubles in the post?

I'll have to give this a go as well.

[DJ]

Re: NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Available Now - Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

Raise your (& the CPUs) help defense strength. I currently have mine set to 80 and it works great!! The Knicks doubled Jordan during his hot streak each time he caught the ball...

Very interesting. I'll have to test this out later.

[nogster]

Re: NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Available Now - Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

It doesnt cause doubles. it causes deeper and more aggressive help D.

There is a big difference between help D and double/traps.

Put it on 100 if you want. you still wont see a double.

All it means is the help D will collapse more and a player will more likely than not sag off his player to cover or cut out driving lanes.
It creates the illusion of a double. like in the real NBA when you see a perimeter defender really sag off his man in anticipation of trapping or collapsing on the offensive player making a move. To let the player know he will be doubled as soon as he makes his move and/or puts the ball on the floor.

Except in the real NBA the player will also actually trap or double the player.

All you have to do is if you see the cpu doing this and "shadowing"' you with help D. call an ISO, create more court spacing. you will then have more room to operate.
The double will never come.

[Whaaaazuuuuup]

Re: NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Available Now - Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

It doesnt cause doubles. it causes deeper and more aggressive help D.

There is a big difference between help D and double/traps.

Put it on 100 if you want. you still wont see a double.

All it means is the help D will collapse more and a player will more likely than not sag off his player to cover or cut out driving lanes.
It creates the illusion of a double. like in the real NBA when you see a perimeter defender really sag off his man in anticipation of trapping or collapsing on the offensive player making a move. To let the player know he will be doubled as soon as he makes his move and/or puts the ball on the floor.

Except in the real NBA the player will also actually trap or double the player.

All you have to do is if you see the cpu doing this and "shadowing"' you with help D. call an ISO, create more court spacing. you will then have more room to operate.
The double will never come.

Yes and no...

In the REAL NBA you rarely see true double teams. Why?... Because players and teams are to smart and will adjust and find open shots by moving the ball. What you're right, the CPU will drop and in anticipate a hot player's next move, they SHOULD NOT double team him each time he gets the ball because then, it will be 4 on 3 basketball. I just finished a game with the 86 celtics(me/home) vs the 87 lakers. bird got HOT!! So the lakers(CPU) started watching for him. When he got the ball in the perimeter, they did not double, why because he's an excellent passer and the 86 celtics, anyone on that team could score. But once I made my move and was in a position were I was a threat and exposed my defender, the defense help came, and two defenders were on me. Sometimes a trap animation would kick in. It may be my other gameplay slider setting which allows this to happen, idk, but I'm pretty please with what I've found...

[nogster]

Re: NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Available Now - Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

In the REAL NBA you rarely see true double teams.

We must be watching a different sport then.

I am seeing plenty of double teams and traps. They often are negated because the offensive player wisely passes just before he is in trouble. [which is the point in going to double in the 1st place, either cause a t/o or force the player to pass]

Maybe thats why you "rarely" see true doubles.
doesnt mean that the D isnt attempting to doube/trap and doing it regularly.

In 2k. the cpu simply doesnt commit to the double. it provides help and shadows you but that is not enough. Its fake. You never have to worry you are going to be forced to give up the ball. [unlike reality].

As I said. if you see the cpu sag off its man and provide "help" to cutoff lanes etc...just call an ISO to create better court spacing. the double wont ever come.

[Whaaaazuuuuup]

Re: NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Available Now - Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

No same sport, lol...

Maybe it's got to do with my defense awareness so low and team help set so high. Theyre not fully engaged into a double team most of the time but the help is altering my shot/success greatly...

[Whaaaazuuuuup]

Re: NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Available Now - Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

Ok, I'm trying to upload a video of the lakers double teaming bird offer he scrorched them on three straight buckets...

[eF 5ive]

Re: NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Available Now - Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

The help d slider sucks because you can just scorch the CPU with PnRs. The problem is they don't engage in a trap. Call a PnR with 100 help d you'll score each time. The defenders need to engage the ball handler with hands up forcing a turnover or bad pass. I just think 2k12s ai sucks. I'll still play but it doesn't feel as authentic as last years. With 100 help d it just creates slower rotations for CPU defense.

[Altimus]

Re: NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Available Now - Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

For the first time since the original 2K hit I might be shelving this game. I keep giving it chances but I just can't overlook certain things. The way the AI runs the offense, stands around and just hits a defended shot more than half the time is just ridiculous. Plus no double teams, cheap skating defense, quickness/speed have 0 meaning, and some other things. 2K should be ashamed of this product outside their legendary modes and pretty presentation/graphics. The core basketball gameplay is just bad against the AI. Passing and even the dribbling feel wrong at times. My cycle from playing 2K from release to release might be over.

[fatleg3]

Re: NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Available Now - Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

For the first time since the original 2K hit I might be shelving this game. I keep giving it chances but I just can't overlook certain things. The way the AI runs the offense, stands around and just hits a defended shot more than half the time is just ridiculous. Plus no double teams, cheap skating defense, quickness/speed have 0 meaning, and some other things. 2K should be ashamed of this product outside their legendary modes and pretty presentation/graphics. The core basketball gameplay is just bad against the AI. Passing and even the dribbling feel wrong at times. My cycle from playing 2K from release to release might be over.

Yea I cant defend the a.i. If a video game ever made me want to punch a hole through a wall, playing the CPU in this game would be the one. Most of the complaints about the A.I. cheap tactics is one of the things I do agree with posters about.

Thats is why I play solely online. I have to put up with cheesers but at least I can counter and adjust to stop them.