Your thoughts on scholarship limit

[boilerfan1509]

I think that EA should apply something in terms of dropping a "prestige" rating if you cut players that where offered scholarships. I mean now, i sign 20-25 guys every year and just cut the ones i dont want with ZERO penalty.

They should allow you to oversign due to players leaving early, transfers, etc. But if you have 73 players and only 70 spots (# of spots is a seperate issue), then you have to cut 3 guys. You should be penalized for that. It would add a new strategy to recruiting.

What do you guys think?

***hahaha i just saw on the "similar threads" when writing this that in NCAA 2003 the scholarship limit was 55!!!!!!

[Sportsfan0290]

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55 that is inisane. I forgot all about that. Mostly because I barely did the recruiting in the old games because it wasn't as fun and I'd play as The U and we'd be number 1 recruiting each year. I think that would be a great feature but who would you penalize the school, the players involved, or the coach? I think what they need to bring back which they used to have was suspension limitations. Honestly as much as I hated it in the old games it brought some flavor to the game. Also I want celebrations back I loved High stepping before the endzone. I know it's a new penalty and thats why EA stopped it to make it more realistic. But that deservess a Come'on Man.

[invisiblespoon]

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I think you should be able to over-sign.

Schools in the SEC do it every year, which is why that's the best conference.

I think there should be some kind of penalty though in terms of the integrity of the program vs. schools like Michigan that run cleaner programs.

[rollinphat]

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I don't like that idea at all.

I would, however, not be against it effecting your "reputation as a coach" rating that penalizes you if you have a history of cutting players similar to the rating that takes a hit if you break a recruits promise.

The bottom line is that scholarships are a 1 year commitment, so anything over that is just icing on the cake to the player.

If you got an academic scholarship and couldn't make it the school would cut you and nobody would think twice about it.

[All-Vol]

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InvisibleSpoon, while in years past you would absolutely be correct that most SEC schools typically oversign players, that is no longer the case. This year they are instituting a "hard 25" rule, no backcounting to the previous year and early enrollees count against the 25 as well.

It is my understanding that for every one you take past 25 you will be docked 3 schollys the following year. (which is really really bad)

We have Houston Nutt to thank for this rule.

[Bucknut17]

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Why should it hurt your integrity/ reputation. Saban is the king of oversigning, he has 3 titles and dont look now but he has #1 class lined up again.... I'm not a fan of oversigning and would like the NCAA to put an end to it but clearly its effective and hasn't stopped recruits from signing up to play for these teams.

[Bucknut17]

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InvisibleSpoon, while in years past you would absolutely be correct that most SEC schools typically oversign players, that is no longer the case. This year they are instituting a "hard 25" rule, no backcounting to the previous year and early enrollees count against the 25 as well.

It is my understanding that for every one you take past 25 you will be docked 3 schollys the following year. (which is really really bad)

We have Houston Nutt to thank for this rule.

While it does stop the Houston Nutt 38 player classes, it still doesn't stop oversigning. 25+25+25+25 doesn't equal 85 and that's not even including 5th year seniors, so while limiting oversigning its laughable to think it will stop it.

[rollinphat]

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Why should it hurt your integrity/ reputation. Saban is the king of oversigning, he has 3 titles and dont look now but he has #1 class lined up again.... I'm not a fan of oversigning and would like the NCAA to put an end to it but clearly its effective and hasn't stopped recruits from signing up to play for these teams.

agreed. it hasn't hurt his recruiting classes at all, but you have to admit that his reputation has taken a big hit. Maybe it's just a southern sports news story and it hasn't made it to Ohio yet, but its all everybody has been talking about around here for the last month.

[invisiblespoon]

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agreed. it hasn't hurt his recruiting classes at all, but you have to admit that his reputation has taken a big hit. Maybe it's just a southern sports news story and it hasn't made it to Ohio yet, but its all everybody has been talking about around here for the last month.

As a Big 10 guy I agree with this... It "should" hurt his reputation... yet kids line up to sign at Alabama every year despite the fact that they might be "gray shirted."

[rollinphat]

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As a Big 10 guy I agree with this... It "should" hurt his reputation... yet kids line up to sign at Alabama every year despite the fact that they might be "gray shirted."

because like the game some players value "tradition", "championship contender", "tv exposure" and "conference prestige" more than "coaching reputation"

[invisiblespoon]

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because like the game some players value "tradition", "championship contender", "tv exposure" and "conference prestige" more than "coaching reputation"

"Program Integrity"

Schools like Michigan that have high integrity have everything you mentioned except it's the winningest program in NCAA history...

[All-Vol]

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While it does stop the Houston Nutt 38 player classes, it still doesn't stop oversigning. 25+25+25+25 doesn't equal 85 and that's not even including 5th year seniors, so while limiting oversigning its laughable to think it will stop it.

Oh no doubt, but it's not as simple in real life as a game of EA football. When I recruit a little electronic 200 pound DE (lol) in this game I don't have to worry about things like: Does he test positive for icky, does he make grades, does he get homesick, etc.

Now IRL, for sure "attrition" isn't always caused by the player. Sometimes a coach will kindly let them know they will never see the field so it's in their best interest to look into a transfer. What that comes down to with your math is if scholarships should be 4 year contracts...right now they are 1.

As far as the game is concerned, I pretty much redshirt everybody and never cut any of them...so I'm rarely recruiting more than 15 players each year. If only reality was this easy.

[mtoo22]

I just want players that get cut to actually go somewhere if they are good enough...

Hail West Virginia

[Aranor]

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Roll Tide Roll!! 2012 going for #15

[schumj]

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InvisibleSpoon, while in years past you would absolutely be correct that most SEC schools typically oversign players, that is no longer the case. This year they are instituting a "hard 25" rule, no backcounting to the previous year and early enrollees count against the 25 as well.

It is my understanding that for every one you take past 25 you will be docked 3 schollys the following year. (which is really really bad)

We have Houston Nutt to thank for this rule.

Well based on their current commitment list Alabama has 27 commits this year, and they are not done recruiting. I've heard plenty on the "25 rule" via Paul Finebaum, etc., but I don't understand how hard 25 means you can have 27 verbal commits?

Back to the topic if they would just change roster size to at least 85 it would help with the problem. You would still have to cut if you had 25 recruits every year but your teams could actually develop depth and then make less recruits sign with teams that have more depth at their position.