MLB 12 The Show Hands-On Preview - PS Move and PS Vita (PSNation)

[nomo17k]

Re: MLB 12 The Show Hands-On Preview - PS Move and PSVita (PSNation)

Obviously I'm no expert on the system but if the MOVE is 1 to 1 movement then there should not be swings unless the player actually swings.
HOWEVER if the Show is using the move as a trigger to start swing and not used as a full swing controller then I can see where the "delay" or whatever is used to not swing on unintended movements.

A good test would be to check swing with the move and see if The Show player actually check swings.

Perhaps this is the case, the reason being it would definitely be easier to code that way... since the game already has a pretty good batting system in place (different swing mechanisms, check swing, etc.), why not use the existing system and use the new controller to trigger the same events?

In order to re-create the real feel for swinging the bat with Move, I'd prefer the one-to-one approach as in Table Tennis in Sports Champions, with full control over PCI placement, but I can see it perhaps makes sense to use the existing mechanism now... But if you have played Table Tennis, you can see how nicely things can work with one-to-one with Move.

I only hope the lag doesn't totally kill the timing, as in I have to hit with an entirely different timing compared to real life. To me the slightly slower response with Pure Analog in MLB11 was tough enough to adjust, and it wasn't even a lag issue I believe.

Well we have to see... it's the first year anyway... we'll see how it really feels.

[GWPump23]

Re: MLB 12 The Show Hands-On Preview - PS Move and PS Vita (PSNation)

Ha! Glad Ramone chimed in @ the end...

Thought I was watching a Penn & Teller skit for a second...

-GW-

[M_F_Z]

Re: MLB 12 The Show Hands-On Preview - PS Move and PS Vita (PSNation)

I love how they implemented the move controls this year - very good job, SCEA !

[Bahnzo]

Re: MLB 12 The Show Hands-On Preview - PS Move and PSVita (PSNation)

In order to re-create the real feel for swinging the bat with Move, I'd prefer the one-to-one approach as in Table Tennis in Sports Champions, with full control over PCI placement,

No one has spoken about how the PCI placement is handled. I (and others) have asked if the Move can recognize when someone swings high/low and inside/outside, but I haven't seen an answer to this yet.

[nomo17k]

Re: MLB 12 The Show Hands-On Preview - PS Move and PSVita (PSNation)

No one has spoken about how the PCI placement is handled. I (and others) have asked if the Move can recognize when someone swings high/low and inside/outside, but I haven't seen an answer to this yet.

I'm curious about this as well... it's still a mystery haha...

[rodperezto]

Re: MLB 12 The Show Hands-On Preview - PS Move and PSVita (PSNation)

Still some pretty noticeable lag in that video with the Move, but I will reserve judgment until I try it for myself, because I really want to use this in some games!

I wouldn't worry too much about it. The lag you notice on the video happens because of the video camera's speed to record video and it doesn't capture the speed the way your eye would.
That was one of my main complaints about the move before it came out; I'd seen some videos and didn't really see the whole 1-1 thing they were talking about. When you play the game, you'll notice that if there is some lag, it will be minimal and it won't affect the gameplay.

[bcruise]

Re: MLB 12 The Show Hands-On Preview - PS Move and PSVita (PSNation)

I wouldn't worry too much about it. The lag you notice on the video happens because of the video camera's speed to record video and it doesn't capture the speed the way your eye would.
That was one of my main complaints about the move before it came out; I'd seen some videos and didn't really see the whole 1-1 thing they were talking about. When you play the game, you'll notice that if there is some lag, it will be minimal and it won't affect the gameplay.

Some games are better at handling it than others, though...

Sports Champions is fun because it really is 1-1, and for me it really shows when playing the table tennis game. You can swing the paddle, rotate your wrist around to change the paddle angle and see all that movement in real time, and it's really immersive for such a simple game. Others like Tiger Woods for example definitely have some lag on the swing, because you'll be in your follow through before you hear the club strike the ball. In TW's case the 1-1 really isn't essential for game play (personally I don't even look up at the screen until after my swing), so it can kinda get away with it. It would be pretty important for a baseball game to have a quick response since you WILL be looking at the screen as the pitch comes in.

It all depends on how well the Move is implemented.

[rodperezto]

Re: MLB 12 The Show Hands-On Preview - PS Move and PSVita (PSNation)

Some games are better at handling it than others, though...

Sports Champions is fun because it really is 1-1, and for me it really shows when playing the table tennis game. You can swing the paddle, rotate your wrist around to change the paddle angle and see all that movement in real time, and it's really immersive for such a simple game. Others like Tiger Woods for example definitely have some lag on the swing, because you'll be in your follow through before you hear the club strike the ball. In TW's case the 1-1 really isn't essential for game play (personally I don't even look up at the screen until after my swing), so it can kinda get away with it. It would be pretty important for a baseball game to have a quick response since you WILL be looking at the screen as the pitch comes in.

It all depends on how well the Move is implemented.

Fair enough. However, my point stands: the lag we see on the video will most likely not be the same when we're playing it.

[pdawg17]

Re: MLB 12 The Show Hands-On Preview - PS Move and PS Vita (PSNation)

If the Move controller can detect high, low, inside and outside swings I would use it for batting quite a bit...if not, I'll be using the dualshock 100% of the time...I've always wanted sports games to allow for motion controls but they need to be very realistic to be worthwhile to me...

[Bahnzo]

Re: MLB 12 The Show Hands-On Preview - PS Move and PS Vita (PSNation)

If the Move controller can detect high, low, inside and outside swings I would use it for batting quite a bit...if not, I'll be using the dualshock 100% of the time...I've always wanted sports games to allow for motion controls but they need to be very realistic to be worthwhile to me...

Same here. If the Move can only detect *when* I swing but not *where* I swing, then I don't see the point in that at all. It makes all the difference and will decide whether I buy one or not for use with the game.

[Russell_SCEA]

Re: MLB 12 The Show Hands-On Preview - PS Move and PS Vita (PSNation)

The lag you see is because there is a camera recording a person playing the move, recording a tv signal. There will always be lag in move demo's like this. We are using 1 to 1 tracking just like Sports Champions and other games.

[bcruise]

Re: MLB 12 The Show Hands-On Preview - PS Move and PS Vita (PSNation)

The lag you see is because there is a camera recording a person playing the move, recording a tv signal. There will always be lag in move demo's like this. We are using 1 to 1 tracking just like Sports Champions and other games.

Great news.

BTW, for those who don't own a Move or Sports Champions....take a wild guess at which development studio created that game.

Let's just say the SCEA SD guys are pretty familiar with getting the most out of the Move by now.

[nomo17k]

Re: MLB 12 The Show Hands-On Preview - PS Move and PS Vita (PSNation)

Great news.

BTW, for those who don't own a Move or Sports Champions....take a wild guess at which development studio created that game.

Let's just say the SCEA SD guys are pretty familiar with getting the most out of the Move by now.

Yeah I thought there's no way they aren't sharing the knowledge internally, seeing how good Sports Champions were done...

Seeing the movie on Move demo below made me feel better about lag... When they show it side by side, they remove the apparent lag by editing I presume, but when the guy actually plays in front of the TV, you see very noticeable lag. I know by experience Table Tennis/Gladiator Duel hardly involves any lag, so it's probably true about recording TV signals...

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[Bobhead]

Re: MLB 12 The Show Hands-On Preview - PS Move and PS Vita (PSNation)

I've never used a move before, is it possible to use both a Move controller and a regular PS3 controller during the same game (without unplugging from the ports and stuff)? Like for example, if I wanted to use the Move to swing, but wanted to use Analog Pitching and button fielding, would that be doable? And how?

Also Russell looks like he'd rather be playing with the PS Move than sitting at that table (or something like that )

[PSNation]

FYI I purposely showed Eddy swinging and missing ;-)

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