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  • Big FN Deal
    Banned
    • Aug 2011
    • 5993

    #76
    Re: Five Things EA Sports must do for Success in Madden NFL 13

    Originally posted by TNT713
    These comments are disheartening, because I know most of them to be untrue...

    Case in point, I THREW the ball on Madden for more than 10 years before I learned how to PASS the ball. There's a difference, but I didn't realize it until I made a mental breakthrough. Another 10 years pass and now I'm a PASSER instead of a THROWER, I can make ALL THE THROWS necessary for a wide variety of routes (but still haven't mastered them all).

    Next, the notion that you have to CHEAT TO COMPETE is ludicrous. I find it to be the assumption of people who fall victim to the hype because they don't have what it takes to DEVELOP over a long span of time. It seems like too much to ask for a video game player to take the game serious enough to build the foundational skills necessary to combat and counter the most asinine tactics. In my case, once again, I lost EVERY GAME I PLAYED for the first two years of my Madden career (yes, I said career).

    Third, locating passes in Madden isn't very difficult. There's a FEEL to them that is easier to demonstrate than explain. I've overthrown and underthrown a multitude of passes on purpose - but only after HARSHLY grading my own performance like a real coach would, because it's the only way to make corrections that allow us to duplicate our successes and minimize our failures.

    Lastly, don't assume EA only looks to supporters for feedback. When Madden '06 came out I had an intense, overwhelming, and WELL DOCUMENTED hatred toward QB Vision and anyone that liked it. So much that I stopped playing video games PERIOD because I was so disgusted and spewed the most venomous to whoever would read or listen. I wrote a 1400 word paper to document why QB Vision sucked more than a drunk sorority girl with an industrial vaccum cleaner and sent it to the devs. That year, I got invited to Community Day and it certainly wasn't because I had a favorable opinion of Madden at the time.

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    The point is, all this time on next-gen and Madden has yet to demonstrate to any of us how to do these things consistently. What's missing in many parts of Madden, including passing trajectory variation, is EA showing EVERYONE how it's done first. Things that are possible in Madden shouldn't be a secret or a mystery, it should be clearly explained to everyone by EA. The difference in skill sets should come from those like yourself, that are willing to take the time to master those explained things versus those that aren't, not from those that are willing to spend hours or years "labbing" to figure out how it works versus people that aren't or can't.

    It's silly for gamers to keep having a discussion about what can and can't be done in Madden, while the people that create the game stay silent, while not at least including a tutorial/training mode, along with a worded breakdown, like in other games. Some people like the challenge of trying to figure out how a video game works on their own and that's fine. However, people like myself, that prefer to know how it was designed to be done in the game, before attempting to do it and hopefully master it, should have that included.

    While I am on this tangent, this is also points to why "freestyle" play seems to be so successful in Madden. I am starting to wonder if the reason why developers don't explain how stuff like pass trajectory, route timing, jump balls, fade routes, outside runs, returning, blitzing, etc are created to be done in Madden, is because there is no realistic methodology.

    For example, there used to be a passing tutorial in Madden, may even still be there, that had the QB stand in a designated area, simulating the pocket, while varying amount of projectiles were fired at them. The object was to avoid the projectiles, while staying in the designated "pocket" area, until the receiver became available/open. However, there seemed to have been no point to the tutorial given the fact that when actually playing the game, there is little to no inherent risk or penalty for not remaining in the pocket.

    Practicing/labbing in a NFL football video game that doesn't explain the way NFL actions are designed to be performed or that doesn't have a realistic methodology for those things, is fine for those that enjoy playing Madden ball but shouldn't be expected of gamers looking to simulate NFL football.

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    • mrclutch
      MVP
      • Nov 2008
      • 2369

      #77
      I agree with 99% of the OP. This is first year in a long time I laid down my Madden before the playoffs. This years game had really no improvements that mattered to me. (not a big better looking grass man) Another stale up date to last years game.
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      • baronb43
        Rookie
        • Jan 2012
        • 4

        #78
        Another thing I'd love to start seeing is guys with full sleeves finally have some sort of tattoo animation. It's strange looking at guys like Aaron Hernandez and seeing no artwork, and having a completely default look.

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        • moose616
          Rookie
          • Mar 2011
          • 235

          #79
          I've read that the exclusivity deal is through 2013. Wouldn't that mean Madden 14 would be the last of the deal, not 13?
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          • roadman
            *ll St*r
            • Aug 2003
            • 26339

            #80
            Re: Five Things EA Sports must do for Success in Madden NFL 13

            ^^^

            That is true, a deal hasn't been made public at this time, either.

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            • ShaneTheMaster
              Rookie
              • Jun 2006
              • 410

              #81
              The problem is not so much the lack of animations.. it's that their is no fluidity between the animations.
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              • KennyG
                Rookie
                • Jan 2012
                • 3

                #82
                Why isn't the coaches on the sideline during the game they need 2 put the coaches on the sideline need to make real players on the sideline to warming up, ect.......

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                • pegout
                  Rookie
                  • Oct 2011
                  • 461

                  #83
                  Re: Five Things EA Sports must do for Success in Madden NFL 13

                  Originally posted by KennyG
                  Why isn't the coaches on the sideline during the game they need 2 put the coaches on the sideline need to make real players on the sideline to warming up, ect.......
                  the coach is on the sideline during gameplay there isnt real players on the sideline but at certen cutsceens you see Qb's throwing on the sideline
                  Originally posted by jd@os
                  Yeah...but if I go buy it late with him on the cover will it still be there? Or will it disappear late in the game like he does?
                  Originally posted by blues rocker
                  i'm not sure what to think about the fact that there are 2 wolfman threads...but i think i like it. i've always said this forum needs more wolf talk.

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                  • KennyG
                    Rookie
                    • Jan 2012
                    • 3

                    #84
                    Originally posted by pegout
                    the coach is on the sideline during gameplay there isnt real players on the sideline but at certen cutsceens you see Qb's throwing on the sideline
                    while u playing the game the coach isnt on the sideline only on cutsceens thats not cool they should show the coach roaming the sideline during gameplay

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                    • TNT713
                      Banned
                      • May 2004
                      • 2043

                      #85
                      Re: Five Things EA Sports must do for Success in Madden NFL 13

                      Originally posted by Big FN Deal
                      The point is, all this time on next-gen and Madden has yet to demonstrate to any of us how to do these things consistently. What's missing in many parts of Madden, including passing trajectory variation, is EA showing EVERYONE how it's done first. Things that are possible in Madden shouldn't be a secret or a mystery, it should be clearly explained to everyone by EA. The difference in skill sets should come from those like yourself, that are willing to take the time to master those explained things versus those that aren't, not from those that are willing to spend hours or years "labbing" to figure out how it works versus people that aren't or can't.

                      It's silly for gamers to keep having a discussion about what can and can't be done in Madden, while the people that create the game stay silent, while not at least including a tutorial/training mode, along with a worded breakdown, like in other games. Some people like the challenge of trying to figure out how a video game works on their own and that's fine. However, people like myself, that prefer to know how it was designed to be done in the game, before attempting to do it and hopefully master it, should have that included.

                      While I am on this tangent, this is also points to why "freestyle" play seems to be so successful in Madden. I am starting to wonder if the reason why developers don't explain how stuff like pass trajectory, route timing, jump balls, fade routes, outside runs, returning, blitzing, etc are created to be done in Madden, is because there is no realistic methodology.

                      For example, there used to be a passing tutorial in Madden, may even still be there, that had the QB stand in a designated area, simulating the pocket, while varying amount of projectiles were fired at them. The object was to avoid the projectiles, while staying in the designated "pocket" area, until the receiver became available/open. However, there seemed to have been no point to the tutorial given the fact that when actually playing the game, there is little to no inherent risk or penalty for not remaining in the pocket.

                      Practicing/labbing in a NFL football video game that doesn't explain the way NFL actions are designed to be performed or that doesn't have a realistic methodology for those things, is fine for those that enjoy playing Madden ball but shouldn't be expected of gamers looking to simulate NFL football.
                      WARNING: If you're easily offended - STOP READING NOW. This thread will offer some UNCENSORED opinions that will NOT sit well with many who don't have the intestinal fortitude to get up after being knocked down - and shouldn't be playing football of ANY KIND anyway because they are afraid to feel the pain that is inherent to the sport...

                      Spoiler


                      Ok... I'm done. I'll return to censoring my posts once again. Thanks for letting me let off steam.


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                      • pegout
                        Rookie
                        • Oct 2011
                        • 461

                        #86
                        Re: Five Things EA Sports must do for Success in Madden NFL 13

                        Originally posted by KennyG
                        while u playing the game the coach isnt on the sideline only on cutsceens thats not cool they should show the coach roaming the sideline during gameplay
                        there is a coach on the sideline you can see it in replays. iv never zoomed in to see if its the real coach but why would i i could careles about my coach that does nothing for the game
                        Originally posted by jd@os
                        Yeah...but if I go buy it late with him on the cover will it still be there? Or will it disappear late in the game like he does?
                        Originally posted by blues rocker
                        i'm not sure what to think about the fact that there are 2 wolfman threads...but i think i like it. i've always said this forum needs more wolf talk.

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                        • Meast21Taylor
                          Banned
                          • Jan 2012
                          • 12

                          #87
                          Re: Five Things EA Sports must do for Success in Madden NFL 13

                          Originally posted by MMChrisS
                          I wish I wrote this article, but Phil Varckette did.

                          However I did write a companion blog post to this article about what I'll be gauging success as in Madden NFL 13:

                          http://www.operationsports.com/MMChr...ture-interest/

                          #shamelessplug
                          I think some of us may have missed this lol. MMChris didn't write this, so stop telling him to change it lol smh.

                          Im checkin out the blog now. Peace

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                          • KennyG
                            Rookie
                            • Jan 2012
                            • 3

                            #88
                            Originally posted by pegout
                            there is a coach on the sideline you can see it in replays. iv never zoomed in to see if its the real coach but why would i i could careles about my coach that does nothing for the game
                            I dont care for it either im just giving ideas since they want 2 make Madden like u see in real live football o Sundays

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                            • pegout
                              Rookie
                              • Oct 2011
                              • 461

                              #89
                              Re: Five Things EA Sports must do for Success in Madden NFL 13

                              Originally posted by KennyG
                              I dont care for it either im just giving ideas since they want 2 make Madden like u see in real live football o Sundays
                              got ya but to your point the sidelines are kinda dead looking
                              Originally posted by jd@os
                              Yeah...but if I go buy it late with him on the cover will it still be there? Or will it disappear late in the game like he does?
                              Originally posted by blues rocker
                              i'm not sure what to think about the fact that there are 2 wolfman threads...but i think i like it. i've always said this forum needs more wolf talk.

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                              • TNT713
                                Banned
                                • May 2004
                                • 2043

                                #90
                                Re: Five Things EA Sports must do for Success in Madden NFL 13

                                Originally posted by Meast21Taylor
                                I think some of us may have missed this lol. MMChris didn't write this, so stop telling him to change it lol smh.

                                Im checkin out the blog now. Peace
                                My bad... I was wondering why someone earlier in the thread called him Phil. LOL

                                Later

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