Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 13 Announcement and First Feature Details

[Zalf]

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I think what you said is part of the problem. To hit a shot in real golf with backspin you hit down on the ball and strike it first (with every shot really, except bunker shots and some flop shots).

EA seems to think that the placing the hit marker below the ball it will result in more backspin? If that is the way the game is developed that is totally backward.

Many seem to be looking at the hit marker and stance editer(pretty much all of the Total Control) as something beyond a new face and name for the old loft/deloft fade/draw system. I haven't seen any gameplay videos that indicate it is anything more than a step forward presentation wise of the same old system. A definite step forward and better representation of real life setup, but there appears to still be a lot of room between better and spot on.

I can't help but think this is another area where people are setting themselves up for disappointment due to high expectations. EA isn't helping in this area with the hype machine but they are trying to sell THIS game and not the series or the EA brand.

For me, hopefully we will see $60(+DLC) worth of step forward from '12. Anything beyond that is money in the pocket.

[peigone]

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EA seems to think that the placing the hit marker below the ball it will result in more backspin? If that is the way the game is developed that is totally backward.

Guess I'm not understanding, in golf you get under and scoop the ball and it creates backspin. Placing the hit marker at the bottom of the ball is therefore correct.

[peigone]

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I can't help but think this is another area where people are setting themselves up for disappointment due to high expectations.

Heh, no high expectations here, I've learned to approach every TW console game with expectations dragging along the fairway, I'm never disappointed.

[Seymour Scagnetti]

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Many seem to be looking at the hit marker and stance editer(pretty much all of the Total Control) as something beyond a new face and name for the old loft/deloft fade/draw system. I haven't seen any gameplay videos that indicate it is anything more than a step forward presentation wise of the same old system. A definite step forward and better representation of real life setup, but there appears to still be a lot of room between better and spot on.

I can't help but think this is another area where people are setting themselves up for disappointment due to high expectations. EA isn't helping in this area with the hype machine but they are trying to sell THIS game and not the series or the EA brand.

For me, hopefully we will see $60(+DLC) worth of step forward from '12. Anything beyond that is money in the pocket.

This is what I initially thought and I still stand by it. They aren't introducing anything new, they simply changed the shot controls to make it more user friendly which is fine but if that's what they are hanging thier hat on then I don't think that's nearly enough to justify buying the new version.

They did add tempo but we still have to see how much of an effect that really has and that's something that was in the PC game for years so it's not some innovative improvement. And TW12 did have some type of tempo involved with that swing. You couldn't just hold the joystick at the top for 3 seconds and still get a great shot, and the slowness and quickness of your joystick flick affected the distance of your swing. With TW13 they offer you the feedback on your swing afterwards (which again the PC version had for years) which is nice but not earth shattering since the ball tracer tells you pretty quickly the trajectory of your shot and how you screwed up.

I'm not interested in Kinect, just doesn't seem user friendly to me but I'm not a fan of Kinect to begin with and I would get bored with it after a week. Just seems like too much work even to get around the menus.

Now if they did improve the swing so your actual joystick does really feel like an extension of the onscreen club, specifically with shots around the green that need that little "touch" which makes it feels rewarding then that will be worth buying. I'm just not seeing it on those videos so far. The swing still looks detached for lack of a better word, maybe the questionable physics has something to do with that as well.

They really will have to wow me on presentation with career mode and make it much more involving (playoffs please) to get my money this year because that's where the replay value is.

[Zalf]

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Guess I'm not understanding, in golf you get under and scoop the ball and it creates backspin. Placing the hit marker at the bottom of the ball is therefore correct.

Backspin is created by how you strike the ball, not where. Striking down on the ball is what creates the spin. Irl where you strike the ball ends up effecting distance and height more. That is one of the reasons flop shots hit with little to no back spin in spite of how low you hit the ball.

[peigone]

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Backspin is created by how you strike the ball, not where. Striking down on the ball is what creates the spin. Irl where you strike the ball ends up effecting distance and height more. That is one of the reasons flop shots hit with little to no back spin in spite of how low you hit the ball.

Okay, I see what you mean, good point.

[peigone]

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and make it much more involving (playoffs please)

Playoffs?! Whadda ya think this game is supposed to be emulating -- the PGA Tour or something?

[Seymour Scagnetti]

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Some potentially good news from one of the devs who posted on the EA site regarding carnival pins after a bit of prodding from me in a thread as to why there has been no confirmation about pin improvement.


"I shall finally give you a response to this.....

Every pin location on every course in the game has been moved to a new location. Whether or not you deem any of these new locations "carnival pins" is a matter of opinion. I personally believe that the new locations are both fair and challenging. I'm not promising that there won't be a pin out there that you don't like. We still strive to provide a challenge with some of our harder settings. Just rest assured that there is no pin actually on a cliff (maybe sometimes a few feet from the edge of one, but not actually on the steep slope) and that proper putting areas were used for all locations."

Hopefully when he says a few feet he doesn't mean a few inches.

Now if I can somehow get him to comment on playoff holes then I can tick off another box from my wishlist.

[Zalf]

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 13 Announcement and First Feature Details

Some potentially good news from one of the devs who posted on the EA site regarding carnival pins after a bit of prodding from me in a thread as to why there has been no confirmation about pin improvement.


"I shall finally give you a response to this.....

Every pin location on every course in the game has been moved to a new location. Whether or not you deem any of these new locations "carnival pins" is a matter of opinion. I personally believe that the new locations are both fair and challenging. I'm not promising that there won't be a pin out there that you don't like. We still strive to provide a challenge with some of our harder settings. Just rest assured that there is no pin actually on a cliff (maybe sometimes a few feet from the edge of one, but not actually on the steep slope) and that proper putting areas were used for all locations."

Hopefully when he says a few feet he doesn't mean a few inches.

Now if I can somehow get him to comment on playoff holes then I can tick off another box from my wishlist.

Potentially is correct. I almost prefer the ominous lack of comment to what sounds a lot like "I have no idea what exactly you are talking about but we moved all of the pins. I am assuming all includes the two or three pins you are referring to and won't create any more of what you are cryptically calling carnival pins out of the hundreds of pins that were fine where they were. But neither I nor anyone I know about checked for carnival pins or will even admit to knowing what they are despite all of the posts about them. If I knew or accidentily learn what they are, then they are obviously working as intended to make the game challenging. Now kindly stop looking at the man behind the curtain since I have given you the patented not-an-answer answer."

Before I was happily ignorant hoping that at minimum an explanation of what carnival pins were had made it to someone who could do something about it. Now I have to sit here banging my head against the wall. It is hard to "rest assured" with these kinds of answers.

[Zalf]

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Potentially is correct. I almost prefer the ominous lack of comment to what sounds a lot like "I have no idea what exactly you are talking about but we moved all of the pins. I am assuming all includes the two or three pins you are referring to and won't create any more of what you are cryptically calling carnival pins out of the hundreds of pins that were fine where they were. But neither I nor anyone I know about checked for carnival pins or will even admit to knowing what they are despite all of the posts about them. If I knew or accidentily learn what they are, then they are obviously working as intended to make the game challenging. Now kindly stop looking at the man behind the curtain since I have given you the patented not-an-answer answer."

Before I was happily ignorant hoping that at minimum an explanation of what carnival pins were had made it to someone who could do something about it. Now I have to sit here
banging my head against the wall. It is hard to "rest assured" with these kinds of answers.

I searched to find which dev gave that answer. I think I feel better now knowing that it was Handsward. He knows what carnival pins are and when they stop just being a matter of opinion. Coming from him the response is probably just some CYA so if some carnival pins end up showing up no one can nail him for promising they were fixed. Now I can just hope he was involved enough with this part of the game to have a good feel. Sounds like he was.

[orthostud23]

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I watched the 2 videos that were up and didn't see anything ground breaking. I still see that you cant move your golfer on the tee box. HOW can they not program this in??? Is there a reason that they rarely show game play from the more difficult settings??

I agree with the comments on the chipping and putting especially. The long back swings and follow through are awful to look at. If you are going to make a golf game then you have to nail some little things down.

Have they mentioned anything about having to "qualify" to get into some tourneys?? So first year on the Tour I shouldn't just automatically qualify for the US Open or Masters unless I have met the requirements.

[Zalf]

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I watched the 2 videos that were up and didn't see anything ground breaking. I still see that you cant move your golfer on the tee box. HOW can they not program this in??? Is there a reason that they rarely show game play from the more difficult settings??

I agree with the comments on the chipping and putting especially. The long back swings and follow through are awful to look at. If you are going to make a golf game then you have to nail some little things down.

Have they mentioned anything about having to "qualify" to get into some tourneys?? So first year on the Tour I shouldn't just automatically qualify for the US Open or Masters unless I have met the requirements.

You had to qualify in '12 for some tournaments. Mostly tied into rankings and the way '12 did it's tutorial via lower tours.

As far as the difficulty settings in the videos, the ones I have seen were done with heavy EA influence. They have to be somewhat careful; especially with this being the first year of kinect support; of bad/inexperienced players making the game look too hard or glitchy. Plus if the numbers that are given can be trusted, those of us that prefer the more difficult/sim levels are in the vast minority. So any non-EA directed videos might tend to be on lower difficulties because that is how most people play. I know most reviews seem to be based on the lower levels year after year.

[fishepa]

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Guess I'm not understanding, in golf you get under and scoop the ball and it creates backspin. Placing the hit marker at the bottom of the ball is therefore correct.

No, that is not how backspin is created in real golf.

[OnlookerDelay]

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Playoffs?! Whadda ya think this game is supposed to be emulating -- the PGA Tour or something?

Playoffs!? Don't talk about playoffs! Are you kiddin' me? Playoffs!? [/Jim Mora mode]

[DivotMaker]

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Some potentially good news from one of the devs who posted on the EA site regarding carnival pins after a bit of prodding from me in a thread as to why there has been no confirmation about pin improvement.


"I shall finally give you a response to this.....

Every pin location on every course in the game has been moved to a new location. Whether or not you deem any of these new locations "carnival pins" is a matter of opinion. I personally believe that the new locations are both fair and challenging. I'm not promising that there won't be a pin out there that you don't like. We still strive to provide a challenge with some of our harder settings. Just rest assured that there is no pin actually on a cliff (maybe sometimes a few feet from the edge of one, but not actually on the steep slope) and that proper putting areas were used for all locations."

Hopefully when he says a few feet he doesn't mean a few inches.

Now if I can somehow get him to comment on playoff holes then I can tick off another box from my wishlist.

You are welcome as I am the one who sought Hands out and asked for a response....