1-5-5 & 1-5-5 prowl

[pk556]

Please EA gt rid of these two defenses. I have never seen them in real life , maybe they are real but there is way they work as well as they do in the game or every school in the country would run them .

[BHavenBlazer]

Re: 1-5-5 & 1-5-5 prowl

Don't pay attention to alot of college football, eh? Oregon, Cal, texas, etc all use the "Radar" defense in games. Yes, i do agree it needs to be tweaked in this game though.

[c2v24b]

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They can be burned fairly easily actually. If you use a 4WR set, a halfback to block, and put one of your inside WRs on a slant route, you'll have plenty of time to hit him. If your opponent presses the coverage, then just hit one of the outside receivers who will only have single coverage and should become wide open after getting past the press.

Screen passes/outside handoffs/options can work really well too. Occassionally the outside runs/options get wrapped up behind the line but often they'll break all the coverage for a TD.

[MIFB13]

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The 1-5-5 actually refers to the single, or in some cases none, defensive players with their hands in the ground. Typically it's a nickel personnel set. The purpose of the "monster" or "psycho" front is to create a better pass rush by confusing the offensive linemen. You will often see seven or eight players on or near the LOS in a psycho front, most of them moving. However, at the snap of the ball most of those players will drop back into a zone. It is very useful in 3rd & Long situations, but that's really it. The psycho is a terrible defensive front against the run, and you will see many offenses audible to a QB Blast or Power when faced with this front, even in long yardage situations. During the Ohio State@Michigan game this year, Braxton Miller converted several 3rd downs against Michigan's defense using this strategy.

Unfortunately, EA's engine is not tuned to allow for real physics, making the 1-5-5 an actually viable defense on early downs. To combat people doing this, I would suggest running plays such as Power O and toss sweeps. Quick passes such as slants or screens will also be effective, but stay away from long pass plays and Play-Action.

[illwill10]

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1-5-5 Prowl is actually my 3rd down defense. The only way you can have success in this defense is to have fast LBs and good cover guys. I got sacks from this formations. Since the 1 DL is never actually set on the line, only way you can get pressure is if you have a fast lb.

[DarrenG]

Re: 1-5-5 & 1-5-5 prowl

i love this defense I've seen Rex ryan run variations of it in the NFL so i know it is used.

[Blitz1942]

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i love this defense I've seen Rex ryan run variations of it in the NFL so i know it is used.

Rex Ryan uses it quite a bit. I've seen the Steelers run it a bit. Dom Capers has a rather extensive "Pyscho" formation in his defensive playbook in Green Bay. A lot of the teams that use it are 3-4 teams.

[NEOPARADIGM]

Re: 1-5-5 & 1-5-5 prowl

Please EA gt rid of these two defenses. I have never seen them in real life , maybe they are real but there is way they work as well as they do in the game or every school in the country would run them .

Get into practice mode or run it yourself for a while to learn how it works. There's nothing special about it. It's still just 11 defenders.

[MathisJones]

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Florida State used it while Mickey Andrews was there, but it was pretty much a gimmick & nobody liked it because we never got pressure. And with no pressure, the opposing QB's ate it up. I hated it.

[speedtrucker]

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Texas has run their D outta this style of defense, Will Muschamp ran a 4-2-5 where only their DT would be in his stance actually lining up as a nosetackle over the center.

Manny Diaz runs another hybrid style with his 4-3 and & 4-2-5/nickel, he runs an "organized chaos" pre-snap full of movement. btw, Manny Diaz is a Mickey Andrews/Chuck Amato protege. he has said that he wants the offense to think there are 13-14 guys out on defense.

his idea is to have guys moving to prevent "gap assignment" or end control, with zone reads the QB watches the DE and makes the play by what he does. also a run might be to the A gap where normal D formations and blitzes are to gaps. so if a blitz isn't into the A gap or the DT is lined up in the A gap, the offense can control the line of scrim. Diaz runs this chaos so that the Oline doesn't have a set gap/man for the Dline, also in combo he blitzes a player rather than a gap... so the blitz might be Mike LB blitzing the Left Guard with the NT twisting to the LT and the additional SS is attacking the HB, rather than more standard Mike LB to the A gap, NT filling the B gap with a SS overload.

as said in previous posts, this is becoming a more common defense but NCAA can't properly work it because of psychic DBs & LBs.

[PowerofRed25]

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The real life negative to this defense is that a disciplined offensive line will eat it up. If you see it on tape 20 times a game, it is going to be noted in the offensive game plan and it won't be all that effective. It isn't hard to tell your line that if they only have 1 guy with his hand in the grass, just focus on your area and block what comes to you. Most teams that see this on tape will usually come up with a pre-set audible to get the ball out quick. The defense moving around also takes them away from their responsibility and you're going to have open guys. It is a show-me defense, most effective against undisciplined units or as a surprise for one or two games, not as a regular attack.

Where the game struggles is that it screws with run blocking so badly. If it was just in the pass game, this formation would be fine, but the fact that it is the best option to stop a heavy rush attack makes me wonder what EA was thinking. The game just gets so confused and it usually stops the run dead. If someone runs it in a game, I'm running Iso and FB Dive and I'm throwing the football quick to the flats. That will get any user opponent out of this defense for sure.

[speedtrucker]

Re: 1-5-5 & 1-5-5 prowl

The real life negative to this defense is that a disciplined offensive line will eat it up. If you see it on tape 20 times a game, it is going to be noted in the offensive game plan and it won't be all that effective. It isn't hard to tell your line that if they only have 1 guy with his hand in the grass, just focus on your area and block what comes to you. Most teams that see this on tape will usually come up with a pre-set audible to get the ball out quick. The defense moving around also takes them away from their responsibility and you're going to have open guys. It is a show-me defense, most effective against undisciplined units or as a surprise for one or two games, not as a regular attack.

Where the game struggles is that it screws with run blocking so badly. If it was just in the pass game, this formation would be fine, but the fact that it is the best option to stop a heavy rush attack makes me wonder what EA was thinking. The game just gets so confused and it usually stops the run dead. If someone runs it in a game, I'm running Iso and FB Dive and I'm throwing the football quick to the flats. That will get any user opponent out of this defense for sure.

I agree almost completely with your 2nd paragraph.

the 1st paragraph not so much. it is true that teams will try to assign zone blocking but in reality most teams don't. look at Texas again from this past year, they had the speed and skill in the 1st two levels and combined with 2 outstanding CBs the defense worked really well. it isn't that the blocking schemes are what got to the defense, it was the offenses running quick & short plays to counter it.

offenses these days have gone to the "slow" no huddle offense, they quickly get to the line and try to draw the defense into showing their formation... then everyone on offense stands up and looks to the sideline or QB for reads, audibles and Mike/Sam LB identifiers and then they finally snap the ball. what OU, BYU, OSU, mizzou, KSU and even aggy did was call the play get into formation and snap the ball with short time for reads. what this did was completely put the CBs on an island and force the DEs to commit early or be 3 yards off the LoS and standing flatfooted while they were moving around. even with that the Texas defense was top 15 in yards per game despite being in the big12 which featured 4 teams in the top 10(6 in the top 15) for yards per game.