MLB 12 The Show Video - Exclusive Look at Diamond Dynasty (GameTrailers)

[Knight165]

Re: MLB 12 The Show Video - Exclusive Look at Diamond Dynasty (GameTrailers)

I like that the DD mode encourages (or arguably requires) developing the fictional generated guys.

One of the things I hate about the "card" games I've seen/tried in other games is that using the real players basically leads to a kind of compulsion to complete the collection by having every player. Using fake guys takes the burden off the real guys and means I can just play for the fun of building my team instead of it becoming a grind to complete my collection.

On the other hand, I don't like that players just go away once they run out of games and retire.

If I have a guy who plays 40+ games for me and I get legitimately attached to him (like if he hits some memorable walk-off's, or if he sets single-game records, or if he ends up being the guy who puts together the best statistical "career" of any of my Diamond Dynasty players), it'd be a bummer to lose him. Or if I spend that whole time building a guy up, and just once he starts getting halfway good and I start liking him, then he's gone.

Wish there was a way to mark certain guys from DD for being exported to Franchise mode (either as a free agent or as a prospect in the draft -- which would let me view the DD mode like some development league where I'd scout for kids for my franchise mode).

I know, in years past, when I've played NCAA Football (without having Madden to import NCAA draft classes from), I sometimes run out of steam in my Dynasty mode after I lose my first few recruiting classes, because it's hard to get so invested in them and then lose them forever after only 40-ish games.... and it's draining to have to ramp myself back up to get invested in the next wave over and over again, knowing they'll be gone just once I got to know them and started liking them.

The way I understand it.....they did this to keep the mode flowing and fresh.
Everyone has a chance to become top dog....as "seasons" will be moving fairly often and player careers are not long and drawn out...where a guy who gets lucky with some players is ruling the roost for too long....thereby alienating players who might be struggling a little.
Think of those as retirements...not really losses of the player.
I don't think you'll get drained trying to reload either...you probably will have a guy you can't wait to actually activate and get going.
40+ games is a long time in the online world...
But....as was stated before....this first year with the mode is definitely going to be about playing...learning(both good and bad) and giving feedback to shape the mode into something everyone will enjoy and want to play more of.
Should be fun.

M.K.
Knight165

[liftheavy]

Re: MLB 12 The Show Video - Exclusive Look at Diamond Dynasty (GameTrailers)

How r stats tracked during this sweet mode? Does it keep stats of the players?

[Legionnaire]

Re: MLB 12 The Show Video - Exclusive Look at Diamond Dynasty (GameTrailers)

Oh, Knight, I get why they have to "retire" after a certain number of games. It'd be a grind if guys played realistically long careers.

And I have no doubt most of them won't be big blows, losing them. Most the time I'll probably be ready to move on to the next guy who I have even higher hopes for.

But I imagine I'll have a couple guys on my team at any given time who will be stand-out guys who I'd really want to export to franchise mode so they can continue to live on for me in another form (and go on to have real careers where they play in The Show for as many games as a ballplayer really plays in the life of a career).

I mean, it'd add a richness to both modes, Franchise and Diamond Dynasty. It'd make it so that some of the guys entering franchise mode have more "real" backstories since I watched them develop. And it'd add a whole new element to Diamond Dynasty, because I'd be able to enjoy developing guys who might play a role in my franchise (either playing for me or showing up to play against me).

Plus, a mode like Diamond Dynasty, in a sport like baseball that is so intertwined with stats, I know I'll constantly find myself wondering what guys would do with a full 162-game slate. If a guy hits a bunch of homers for me, I'd always wonder if he could've kept up at that pace in a real season. If a pitcher is lights-out, I'll wonder if he could've held up for 30+ starts in a year.

I think it'll bug a little bit to get to know some of these guys over the length of 40 games... and then never get to know what they could've done in the MLB format (playing 162 games a year, playing a whole career's worth of games and seasons).

[nomo17k]

Re: MLB 12 The Show Video - Exclusive Look at Diamond Dynasty (GameTrailers)

Oh, Knight, I get why they have to "retire" after a certain number of games. It'd be a grind if guys played realistically long careers.

And I have no doubt most of them won't be big blows, losing them. Most the time I'll probably be ready to move on to the next guy who I have even higher hopes for.

But I imagine I'll have a couple guys on my team at any given time who will be stand-out guys who I'd really want to export to franchise mode so they can continue to live on for me in another form (and go on to have real careers where they play in The Show for as many games as a ballplayer really plays in the life of a career).

I mean, it'd add a richness to both modes, Franchise and Diamond Dynasty. It'd make it so that some of the guys entering franchise mode have more "real" backstories since I watched them develop. And it'd add a whole new element to Diamond Dynasty, because I'd be able to enjoy developing guys who might play a role in my franchise (either playing for me or showing up to play against me).

Plus, a mode like Diamond Dynasty, in a sport like baseball that is so intertwined with stats, I know I'll constantly find myself wondering what guys would do with a full 162-game slate. If a guy hits a bunch of homers for me, I'd always wonder if he could've kept up at that pace in a real season. If a pitcher is lights-out, I'll wonder if he could've held up for 30+ starts in a year.

I think it'll bug a little bit to get to know some of these guys over the length of 40 games... and then never get to know what they could've done in the MLB format (playing 162 games a year, playing a whole career's worth of games and seasons).

This is a wishlist item though. Right now we cannot import/export players at all once any mode starts iirc.

Since most stats aren't kept track anyways, why don't you just copy his attributes at once point, an d edit him into your roster/franchise? That's a temporary solution that should work for now.

[Knight165]

Re: MLB 12 The Show Video - Exclusive Look at Diamond Dynasty (GameTrailers)

Oh....okay...you mean you like a certain player and would like to kind of copy him out to your franchise...
I missed the last part of that post in regards to that.
I see.

Like nomo said...I do hope they can eventually incorporate exporting and importing ANY player from ANY mode(RTTS included) into existing franchises.


M.K.
Knight165

[metal134]

Re: MLB 12 The Show Video - Exclusive Look at Diamond Dynasty (GameTrailers)

So we weren't supposed to discuss this based on the Amazon description even thought the Amazon description was correct?

[sroz39]

Re: MLB 12 The Show Video - Exclusive Look at Diamond Dynasty (GameTrailers)

How does the fatigue work for starters and relievers, so you're forced to use the depth of your team and not just a few standouts?

I know going from year one to year two in HUT in NHL, they didn't have goalie fatigue the first year and added it the second year.

[Perfect Zero]

Re: MLB 12 The Show Video - Exclusive Look at Diamond Dynasty (GameTrailers)

So we weren't supposed to discuss this based on the Amazon description even thought the Amazon description was correct?

You've made a point like this nearly every other page on here. The answer is still the same: We wait for confirmation before we start arguing about features. You never know what something will entail based on third party information.

I thought of something: Will Diamond Dynasty use the DH or not? I know it's not a groundbreaking question, but it would be nice to know.

[metal134]

Re: MLB 12 The Show Video - Exclusive Look at Diamond Dynasty (GameTrailers)

You've made a point like this nearly every other page on here. The answer is still the same: We wait for confirmation before we start arguing about features. You never know what something will entail based on third party information.

I thought of something: Will Diamond Dynasty use the DH or not? I know it's not a groundbreaking question, but it would be nice to know.

I made the point in one other thread. Don't snap at me for making an accurate observation.

Also, what's this "we" stuff? Who's "we"? You? Because I am not "we" in this discussion. I am under no obligation to SCEA to keep some kind of street date on discussing features.

[HustlinOwl]

Re: MLB 12 The Show Video - Exclusive Look at Diamond Dynasty (GameTrailers)

I made the point in one other thread. Don't snap at me for making an accurate observation.

give it up

[OpusX910]

Re: MLB 12 The Show Video - Exclusive Look at Diamond Dynasty (GameTrailers)

I am so excited for this mode. IMO, this is far and above the best sports game out there and they just added my favorite aspect to it, creating teams and building them up.

Couple of questions:
1) I am assuming this is not able to be done this year, but in the future, will you have the ability to start a DD League with X# of your friends, each starting with their own new DD team to begin the season?

2)Do you see a stadium creator in the future for this mode?

Well, I guess those were more suggestions for further developing this mode, either way, I am really pumped for this mode!

God bless SCEA, one of the few still committed to making good, quality games, instead of just making profit. Well done!!!

[metal134]

Re: MLB 12 The Show Video - Exclusive Look at Diamond Dynasty (GameTrailers)

give it up

No. Make me.

[Knight165]

Re: MLB 12 The Show Video - Exclusive Look at Diamond Dynasty (GameTrailers)

So we weren't supposed to discuss this based on the Amazon description even thought the Amazon description was correct?

Diamond Dynasty ?
1.Manage your very own fully customizable MLB team online.
2.Challenge and beat CPU controlled MLB teams to recruit MLB stars for your team, and compete against other users?
3.customized teams for development points.


You mean this half-assed description?

Let's break it down.
1. You are not managing an MLB team. You are creating a completely fictional ballclub which will encompass both real and generated players. You do not start with the Yankees or the Reds or any other MLB ballclub.
It is customizable though.
Conclusion. Half right-half not so right

2.You are not challenging the MLB clubs to get MLB stars, you are doing that only to get there stadiums. You play against other players to not only gain points to get MLB players but to gain new generated players and gain budget to train your players. You will also gain players through the not mentioned recyler.
Conclusion. More wrong than right with this one. They did mention playing...so they got that right.

3. I'm not really sure what "customized team for development points" means.
Here let me try one...."yellow school buses for textbook handouts".

No real mention of the logo/uniform creator. Although one could argue that they meant that with fully customizable. How vague is that though. Did you know that from the description?

If you're trying to say...that you know everything about DD from the Amazon description. My hat is off to you.
I PLAYED DD and I don't know what it's fully about yet.

M.K.
Knight165

[metal134]

Re: MLB 12 The Show Video - Exclusive Look at Diamond Dynasty (GameTrailers)

Actually, yes, everything else that was revealed so far, I gathered from the Amazon description. Everything you stated in that post, yes, I gathered from the original leak.

I am not saying it is not intriguing or that I wouldn't try it, just that the info hasn't changed much. That is ALL I said and I'm being villified for it.

[Knight165]

Re: MLB 12 The Show Video - Exclusive Look at Diamond Dynasty (GameTrailers)

How does the fatigue work for starters and relievers, so you're forced to use the depth of your team and not just a few standouts?

I know going from year one to year two in HUT in NHL, they didn't have goalie fatigue the first year and added it the second year.

Hmmmm..

Very good question.
I'm not sure.
metal134 knows the answer though. He read the Amazon description.

M.K.
Knight165