2K Sports Announces NBA 2K12: Game of the Year Edition

[Court_vision]

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In your previous post you said:



Then you say your expectations are (were) zero. .

PR Guy raises expectations = general statement.

My expectations being zero = personal statement.

There's a difference.

If a politician says "we will be announcing massive tax cuts tomorrow"....and I am politically cynical and don't believe it... it doesn't mean that I can't see how that announcement won't lead some people to believe they'll be getting tax cuts.

Side note: You should be doing Ronnie2K's job...I am serious

BTW I never called 2K's efforts "piss poor". I called them "half hearted" and "weak". IMO they have been half hearted. No one can say the promised art updates have been anything other than tokenary at this point. Most people seem to feel that way. (You and Pared aside)

I'd like to hear Spank and Pared's thought on this..........pre release hype basically was "we can do art updates now via rosters, you'll see players change as they do, new tatts, hair cuts, beards etc".....post release, five month later...one single player has been updated. One. Kendrick Perkins body shape was changed. That's it.

That's just cold hard facts. If that's "enough" for Spank and Pared...that one. single. change. then that's cool.

I am sure most other people probably think it's not enough though. We then get labled "complainers"

It seems to me anyway that "expectations" pre release were that more than one players body weight being changed would be done.

[rman]

Will the game of the year edition be packed in with the mlb 2k12 game or is it the vanilla version?

[spankdatazz22]

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I'd like to hear Spank and Pared's thought on this..........pre release hype basically was "we can do art updates now via rosters, you'll see players change as they do, new tatts, hair cuts, beards etc".....post release, five month later...one single player has been updated. One. Kendrick Perkins body shape was changed. That's it.

That's just cold hard facts. If that's "enough" for Spank and Pared...that one. single. change. then that's cool.

I am sure most other people probably think it's not enough though. We then get labled "complainers"

It seems to me anyway that "expectations" pre release were that more than one players body weight being changed would be done.

This is getting away from the thread topic and the last comment I'll make on the subject. As I said, I look at the situation with the understanding that the lockout likely affected what 2K intended to do. Also, I'm not aware of other sports games doing art updates in season. So while I'm disappointed that there have only been a few things that have been updated to date, ultimately somebody having dreads in game when they no longer wear them in real life isn't that big a deal to me to be honest. Or someone missing a new tattoo when most other sports games don't even have individual tattoos at all.

But it depends on the individual. For example it irritates me more to see teams not having the correct color socks/shoe combination. I'm like that in all sports games; used to hate seeing the many of the Steelers with black shoes in NFL2K5. So if the hair/tattoo updates are a big deal to you, then I respect that. The only thing I'd say is art updates aren't a common feature within sports games, so I think that should be taken into account (including the lockout) when judging 2K's efforts on that aspect of the game.

[2kfanatic]

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I have defended 2k before and I probably will still do that but this right here is just a bulls*** move by them.

We bought the game at day 1 and supported them all through out regardless of how bad the gameplay issues are. I can say with great confidence that I speak for most of the people here when I say that we really feel alienated by 2k.

They made a decision to make a goty edition that has all of the dlcs and functionalities like editing the legends team which should have been there from the start.

I'm not saying this is illegal but all I am saying is that I never expected 2k would do this to their core fans ever. Well 2k proved us wrong again...

[spankdatazz22]

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I have defended 2k before and I probably will still do that but this right here is just a bulls*** move by them.

We bought the game at day 1 and supported them all through out regardless of how bad the gameplay issues are. I can say with great confidence that I speak for most of the people here when I say that we really feel alienated by 2k.

They made a decision to make a goty edition that has all of the dlcs and functionalities like editing the legends team which should have been there from the start.

I'm not saying this is illegal but all I am saying is that I never expected 2k would do this to their core fans ever. Well 2k proved us wrong again...

I can't help but think this game is held to a standard other sports games aren't held to. I don't think people ran out and purchased the game because they wanted to support 2K. I'm sure a small aspect of that is true, yes. Imo people ran out and purchased the game because (1) they were impressed with the demo (2) liked the pre-release info (3) liked a previous version of the game (4) wanted to play an NBA game. If the game had a known issue at release where it would never go past halftime, or some other issue that rendered the game unplayable (TRULY unplayable, not the "I'm irritated with [this] and so I can't play it") - I seriously doubt most people would run out and buy the game to show "support" for 2K. I think most people would look at the situation from their own self interests. Regarding this year's gameplay issues, I don't find them any more/less frustrating than last year's gameplay issues. But that's me, as someone that played 2K11/plays 2K12 on mostly default sliders. Just explaining that I don't think there were massive amounts of gameplay issues at the game's release.

If the community is representative of 2K's core fans, then it's safe to say many here would dispute 2K's decision to place Legends in the game. There were many threads pre- and post- release of people saying the Legends content was unnecessary, took focus away from the core game, etc. I do think most people appreciate the content being there. Just saying that many here, the supposed core fans, would argue against it. The job that 2K did putting together complete teams is something no other sports game has attempted to do, at least on this level. And they nailed most of the signature styles; I'm in Practice mode now marvelling at the job they did with afro-Kobe. These are features/details most other sports games don't even attempt, and yet it's part of the core game. I'd think in most other games this would be offered as straight DLC. Yet 2K's getting faulted for not including the ability to allow editing of the Legend teams, because the view from some is it should've been there from the start. Perhaps I'm looking at the situation from the wrong perspective, but I don't know that people can expect 2K to continue to offer the amount of content they do without trying to get *something* in return, on some level - given what other developers are doing. Or simply keep giving away content when many peer games are doing less, charging for whatever's deemed extra, and aren't getting berated by it's fans for the effort. I don't know The Show very well, but I think I've read they offer legend stadiums as DLC (not sure about teams). People say EA's Ultimate Team DLC is wildly successful. What 2K did with this DLC doesn't seem overly obtrusive.

The DLC is ten dollars. Which would seem to be on the low end of DLC offerings from other games. I get the feeling that the only thing that people might've accepted as 2K making DLC is Blacktop mode. And even then that might not fly, as we can pull up the thread that announced the DLC and you'd read many comments saying "I shouldn't have to pay for what I got for free previously". To me this is a bit like expecting the corner gas station to be a 50's full service throwback, when all the other gas stations around it have gone to self-serve. Again, perhaps I'm looking at this from the wrong perspective which is why I don't post much anymore. But on the surface it would seem this game is held to a standard others aren't (then again, I've been saying that for years)

[kbmnm247]

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It's called an incentive. People do this ALL THE TIME in sales... they are willing to take a loss on DLC just to spur new sales of the game.

So other companies don't do this?

I've asked multiple times in this thread for an example of a company doing this within 6 months of the initial release of the game and within 3 months of the DLC coming out. I'm still waiting for a response. It's the first time I've ever seen something like this and it's very disappointing coming from 2K.

[coolcras7]

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Some of you guys really need to go into the real world sometime or take a business class, because you just seem to be missing the point. You are not owed anything for buying something when it was first released, 2k owes you nothing the game came out 4 months ago this deal is just an attempt for 2k to pick up a few dollars off people who did buy the game and are now getting excited about the NBA again, this has nothing to do with you the first day consumers, seriously I would love for you to try to get a refund on anything you purchased 4 months ago based on the price it is today, go ahead go into a Bestbuy and tell them you paid 2000 dollars for a TV and today that TV is 1200 dollars and you want them to give you something to make up the difference, because that is basically what people are asking 2k to do and are upset about.

[coolcras7]

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I've asked multiple times in this thread for an example of a company doing this within 6 months of the initial release of the game and within 3 months of the DLC coming out. I'm still waiting for a response. It's the first time I've ever seen something like this and it's very disappointing coming from 2K.

Dude sports games have a shorter shelve lift than other games, within 2-3 months the game will be cheaper than it was on release, Black Friday 2k was selling for 20-30 dollars less on Amazon, hope that answers your question so you can stop asking it.

[kbmnm247]

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Dude sports games have a shorter shelve lift than other games, within 2-3 months the game will be cheaper than it was on release, Black Friday 2k was selling for 20-30 dollars less on Amazon, hope that answers your question so you can stop asking it.

It doesn't... Because I'm not talking about the game, I'm talking about the DLC. You guys say this happens all the time yet no one can name one instance for me.

I have 0 problems with the game being cheaper, but why is the DLC included and I'll still have to pay $10 for it when I bought the game 5 months ago?

If you took a business class you'd realize you don't piss off loyal customers, which is exactly what they are doing.

[kbmnm247]

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Some of you guys really need to go into the real world sometime or take a business class, because you just seem to be missing the point. You are not owed anything for buying something when it was first released, 2k owes you nothing the game came out 4 months ago this deal is just an attempt for 2k to pick up a few dollars off people who did buy the game and are now getting excited about the NBA again, this has nothing to do with you the first day consumers, seriously I would love for you to try to get a refund on anything you purchased 4 months ago based on the price it is today, go ahead go into a Bestbuy and tell them you paid 2000 dollars for a TV and today that TV is 1200 dollars and you want them to give you something to make up the difference, because that is basically what people are asking 2k to do and are upset about.

Stores usually have price guarantees and if an item you bought a week before goes on sale next week you can still go in and get your refund. Anyway, this has nothing to do with that. No one is complaining that the GOTY is $50 not $60. They are complaining because the DLC is included in that $50 and will still cost money to those who bought the game day one for $60. It's just a bad PR move. Like was mentioned earlier in the thread, if the GOTY was $40 and DLC stayed at $10 I wouldn't be upset with this news at all.

You're comparing apples to oranges by comparing TVs to videogames. Also, no one is asking for a refund. No one is even really asking for the DLC to be free, (other than me because it just seems fair) they are just voicing their displeasure with this news. Which I think is perfectly valid and so should you. Just because companies do this consumers doesn't mean you should just sit back and take it and be happy. That's a bad precedent to start.

[Pared]

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You really think non-NBA fans are following Ronnie's twitter?

I don't think - I know.

I'd like to hear Spank and Pared's thought on this..........pre release hype basically was "we can do art updates now via rosters, you'll see players change as they do, new tatts, hair cuts, beards etc".....post release, five month later...one single player has been updated. One. Kendrick Perkins body shape was changed. That's it.

That's just cold hard facts. If that's "enough" for Spank and Pared...that one. single. change. then that's cool.

I am sure most other people probably think it's not enough though. We then get labled "complainers"

It seems to me anyway that "expectations" pre release were that more than one players body weight being changed would be done.

Aye Monk, Court, whatever - We've been doing this for years. You complain about things you can't grasp and I try and put it in perspective. This song and dance never gets old.

You really need to stop comparing the PC versions to a console version. Welcome to 2003 and earlier? The COMMUNITY has long been involved with modding PC games - in what way does that have ANY impact on what 2k mentioned? I mean, we're going in circles here - something happens, you point to the PC version and some guy from China updating player faces when he has nothing better to do. O-k......? Seriously - just leave it out of the conversation. You can't be so clouded as to not realize community efforts are going to be better than a gaming company that has their job on the line. This has been the case as far back as High Heat Baseball, MVP and Madden on the PC.

Now, we can't even get back to the topic because you continually are focused on the console version (do you even play the console version?) when we are supposed to be discussing this offering. The claims about DLC are warranted - people paid for this after paying $60 for a 4 and a half month old game. The problem I have is people complaining that their day one purchase warrants some sort of loyalty discount. Since when? What game offers you this I would ask, since people want to pose that question? Little Big Planet was released at full price $60 then a GOTY edition was offered that INCLUDED paid DLC. Mortal Kombat is looking to the do the same. The difference? These are not sports titles that are released annually. No other sport has had to endure a lockout that has hurt sales.

You (and those that "like" your posts as if you are arguing world hunger) seem to not realize that I don't have to like something to argue for it. You can't see the "forest from the trees." 2k's marketing division gets paid to sell the game - that's what they are doing here. I understand the points being already made about the updates, but that has NOTHING to do with this discussion.

You paid for a game, not a subscription service.

[DJ]

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Pared (and I'm just speaking for me here), the issue is 2K just released the DLC 2 months ago and now it's being offered as free with the GOTY content? The timing is messed up, as 2K strong-armed us into buying the DLC by doing things like not allowing us to edit players on Classic Rosters.

I get the GOTY concept and have used it to my advantage with non-sports games, but typically, those editions come out closer to a year after the initial game dropped. I understand sports games are on a different cycle so it needed to come out now (Mar. 11), but again, that still doesn't excuse 2K from pushing the DLC on those of us that wanted the ability to edit rosters, only to turn around and give it away for free.

That's the frustration on my end.

[Pared]

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Pared (and I'm just speaking for me here), the issue is 2K just released the DLC 2 months ago and now it's being offered as free with the GOTY content? The timing is messed up, as 2K strong-armed us into buying the DLC by doing things like not allowing us to edit players on Classic Rosters.

I get the GOTY concept and have used it to my advantage with non-sports games, but typically, those editions come out closer to a year after the initial game dropped. I understand sports games are on a different cycle so it needed to come out now (Mar. 11), but again, that still doesn't excuse 2K from pushing the DLC on those of us that wanted the ability to edit rosters, only to turn around and give it away for free.

That's the frustration on my end.

Fair enough - that's the topic. But when do you expect them to release something like this - during the playoffs? I'm sure sales for the DLC have completely dropped off. Same goes for the game. It's an incentive.

Monk/CV - you should probably step away from the keyboard before you make a post you will regret if you can't avoid being personal.

[Altimus]

Some of you guys defend 2K like you're on their payroll. God forbid someone voice their displeasure with the untouchable 2K. Good grief.

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[bedwardsroy19]

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Aye Monk, Court, whatever - We've been doing this for years. You complain about things you can't grasp and I try and put it in perspective. This song and dance never gets old.

Monk/CV - you should probably step away from the keyboard before you make a post you will regret if you can't avoid being personal.

From my perspective, I would say your first post was a little personal. I would be offended, but I don't know your guys' relationship so I may be off base. I know your say goes and not trying to disrespect, just offering some perspective (granted I didn't see the posts that got him banned).

Pared (and I'm just speaking for me here), the issue is 2K just released the DLC 2 months ago and now it's being offered as free with the GOTY content? The timing is messed up, as 2K strong-armed us into buying the DLC by doing things like not allowing us to edit players on Classic Rosters.

I get the GOTY concept and have used it to my advantage with non-sports games, but typically, those editions come out closer to a year after the initial game dropped. I understand sports games are on a different cycle so it needed to come out now (Mar. 11), but again, that still doesn't excuse 2K from pushing the DLC on those of us that wanted the ability to edit rosters, only to turn around and give it away for free.

That's the frustration on my end.

These are my feelings exactly. I think the GOTY concept is actually a great idea. I am completely 100% for 2K trying to gain profits and find a way to spark the interest of the casual sports gamer.

I just think they could have done it in a way that didn't involve giving something for free that others paid ten dollars for only 2 months ago.

Maybe a new cover design, or even just the poster would have done the trick. Maybe even having like 100 of the actually signed by MJ, Bird, or Magic and having them randomly in games (I realize that might not be possible).

Just some kind of idea that would increase profits and not have the consumers that already bought the product feel slighted, in my perspective, would have been their best move.