2K Sports Announces NBA 2K12: Game of the Year Edition

[kbmnm247]

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Fair enough - that's the topic. But when do you expect them to release something like this - during the playoffs? I'm sure sales for the DLC have completely dropped off. Same goes for the game. It's an incentive.

Monk/CV - you should probably step away from the keyboard before you make a post you will regret if you can't avoid being personal.

I expect them to release it after the season or not at all. I mean, has there ever been a sports GOTY edition? Especially one released before the playoffs has even been decided?

[Pared]

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I expect them to release it after the season or not at all. I mean, has there ever been a sports GOTY edition? Especially one released before the playoffs has even been decided?

Are you serious? I'll side with you for a second and say this was a bad move. How is that not EQUALLY a poor decision?

Sell a game at a point where baseball is in full swing and the football releases are right around the corner.

You asked if this has been done and I pointed to LBP. Sports titles drop in price quite often a few months after release - I believe EA did the same exact thing shortly after NBA Jam was released - people bought the disc version and they announced a new version, CHEAPER, with updated rosters for release on XBL.

[Cardot]

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Not sure if this will make any of you guys feel better, but despite getting more for less, anyone who waited this long to get the game, probably won't get near the enjoyment you did. People that waited this long are not hardcore NBA video game fans. And I would bet that most people that will take advantage of this deal will dabble for a little while and then move on to another game.

To try to put a number on it, I would guess that anyone who bought the game at release and got the DLC has logged at least 150 hours of gamplay....so 50 cents an hour? I bet that anyone getting this deal won't even make it to 50 hours.....so more than $1 per hour. So still a much better "value" for the release day crowd.

[kbmnm247]

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Are you serious? I'll side with you for a second and say this was a bad move. How is that not EQUALLY a poor decision?

Sell a game at a point where baseball is in full swing and the football releases are right around the corner.

You asked if this has been done and I pointed to LBP. Sports titles drop in price quite often a few months after release - I believe EA did the same exact thing shortly after NBA Jam was released - people bought the disc version and they announced a new version, CHEAPER, with updated rosters for release on XBL.

How is what not an equally poor decision? Releasing a GOTY sports game? When has that ever been done before? The YEAR isn't even halfway done yet and they are releasing a GOTY version? What?

And LBP GOTY came out one year (almost to the date) after LBP. It included DLC costumes that cost $4, for free, and other levels created by LBP users. It didn't include a totally new mode and the ability to do things that should have been in the original game, like this DLC is. MK (the other you mentioned) came out 10 months ago and the GOTY is still not out yet, and is just a rumor.

NBA 2k12 was released October 2011, the season is still going on, and this is being released 5 months later, with DLC for free that was released what, 3 months prior? It's sold 4 million units, NBA 2k11 has sold 5.5m I believe. I think this is a drastic move to make that also alienates loyal customers. I think they could make up 1.5m in sales by the end of the season without also providing the DLC for free. My only problem is with what seems like unfairness regarding DLC. I know there's nothing I can do about it. I know it probably happened in other genres but I don't think it has ever happened in sports and I don't want it to happen. This is how it starts, and I don't want to see how it ends.

[kbmnm247]

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I guess, in all honesty, my beef is with this new "preorder here and get this special stuff that all other users will never be able to even pay for" concept that is overtaking videogames. I just don't understand why nowadays we, as customers, can't get the FULL version of a game anymore without having to pay $40 extra.

That's pretty much what this is, it's not even a 2k thing. You guys could have used that point to get me to shut up but I guess no one even realized it was best buy only.

[Pared]

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What you proposed is they sell it, end of the season, when people aren't buying basketball games. This genre is seasonal. You're saying they should not provide an incentive on a title that has seemingly dropped off in sales and somehow expect fans of this series to have waited the entire season to buy the product?

I expected as much about LBP and MK. You're asking for examples in a genre that moves faster than any other. What about NBA Jam?

Companies do this often - the cell phone marketplace is another example.

I'm not happy about it. I didn't even buy the DLC because I didn't think it held the value it was being sold as having. But this is where the sports genre will be moving to, one way or another. These companies need to milk as much as they can from a license that only holds limited value every single year.

That's just the reality of the situation, personal feelings aside. EDIT - Best Buy only or not - your points still stand. It's being offered and you can still get it.

[kbmnm247]

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What you proposed is they sell it, end of the season, when people aren't buying basketball games. This genre is seasonal. You're saying they should not provide an incentive on a title that has seemingly dropped off in sales and somehow expect fans of this series to have waited the entire season to buy the product?

I expected as much about LBP and MK. You're asking for examples in a genre that moves faster than any other. What about NBA Jam?

Companies do this often - the cell phone marketplace is another example.

I'm not happy about it. I didn't even buy the DLC because I didn't think it held the value it was being sold as having. But this is where the sports genre will be moving to, one way or another. These companies need to milk as much as they can from a license that only holds limited value every single year.

That's just the reality of the situation, personal feelings aside. EDIT - Best Buy only or not - your points still stand. It's being offered and you can still get it.

I didn't propose anything. You asked me when they should sell it. I answered. I said never, or after the season. I never saw a GOTY sports game before ever so... yeah?

NBA Jam I had bought the disc version, the XBL version which was much better was released a year later. I didn't see that as a money grab or similar to a GOTY edition. It was a totally new game released with new modes new rosters new graphics new sounds and only available electronically. I have no problems with the games decreasing in price, that is expected, to incentivize sales as you and I've agreed on. I'd also have no problem if I bought the DLC day one and it was reduced to $5 or free to all a few months after. My only problem is that I'm going to have to pay $10 for something that, basically (after March 11), is free. If there was a place that I could return my 2k to and get a full refund I would, and I'd go buy the GOTY version. Hell, if I could trade in my current 2k12 for a GOTY with the DLC for free I would. Even double hell, if I could trade in current 2k12 for GOTY and pay $5 I'd still be saving on just buying the DLC normally. It just seems like such a stupid thing to do PR wise over $10.

I agree this is where all gaming is going, sports gaming was the last remaining genre where they didn't nickel and dime us with DLC because they would exploit us by releasing yearly titles that were basically the same game + a few extras. To add the DLC nickel and diming to that just rubs my the wrong way and makes me rethink how much longer I'll be buying these games.

[Cardot]

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I have no problems with the games decreasing in price, that is expected, to incentivize sales as you and I've agreed on. I'd also have no problem if I bought the DLC day one and it was reduced to $5 or free to all a few months after. My only problem is that I'm going to have to pay $10 for something that, basically (after March 11), is free.

So would it have been ok if the GOTY version came without the DLC at a price of $39.99?

[kbmnm247]

So would it have been ok if the GOTY version came without the DLC at a price of $39.99?

Yes I would have been completely fine with that. I also realize you can look at it like that if you wish. However the way it is promoted is that the game is $50 and dlc is free. So that argument goes out the window IMO and even if you wanted to you could argue "well why am I paying for optional DLC"

[Pared]

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I'll tell you what - it is only a matter of time before we see paid updates. The reaction to free rosters doesn't make sense.

Then everyone "wins" (and I use that very loosely); it's paid incentive to do update work and we get results that warrant a cost.

[NINJAK2]

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I'll tell you what - it is only a matter of time before we see paid updates. The reaction to free rosters doesn't make sense.

Then everyone "wins" (and I use that very loosely); it's paid incentive to do update work and we get results that warrant a cost.

You may be right Pared, but then we would just be paying for bad roster updates. Don't think it's unreasonable for customers to expect all current NBA players in the game and no one put a gun to 2k's head and told them to promise player art updates with tats, hair, etc, changes. This was an addition I never expected to have and once it was promised expectations were raised that they themselves created. 2k was just way too ambitious this year which resulted in a lack of focus in some areas of the game. If you are talking about something different I apologize. Maybe it's just safe to blame the lockout for the poor execution on some of their promises...

[Chairman7w]

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No, not at all.

I think it's a weak offering, and I won't be getting it, but I'm not offended by it. Can't imagine why anyone would be. It's simply the company trying to get a *little* more profit out of their product, hoping those that didn't buy it might be persuaded to slap doen $50 for it.

(shrug) Who cares?

Anyone else find this a kick in the balls to the people who supported this game for $60 on release day?

[Chairman7w]

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But... who gives a sh&t??? Just don't buy it.

Why in the world would you be offended?

How is what not an equally poor decision? Releasing a GOTY sports game? When has that ever been done before? The YEAR isn't even halfway done yet and they are releasing a GOTY version? What?

And LBP GOTY came out one year (almost to the date) after LBP. It included DLC costumes that cost $4, for free, and other levels created by LBP users. It didn't include a totally new mode and the ability to do things that should have been in the original game, like this DLC is. MK (the other you mentioned) came out 10 months ago and the GOTY is still not out yet, and is just a rumor.

NBA 2k12 was released October 2011, the season is still going on, and this is being released 5 months later, with DLC for free that was released what, 3 months prior? It's sold 4 million units, NBA 2k11 has sold 5.5m I believe. I think this is a drastic move to make that also alienates loyal customers. I think they could make up 1.5m in sales by the end of the season without also providing the DLC for free. My only problem is with what seems like unfairness regarding DLC. I know there's nothing I can do about it. I know it probably happened in other genres but I don't think it has ever happened in sports and I don't want it to happen. This is how it starts, and I don't want to see how it ends.

[bedwardsroy19]

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But... who gives a sh&t??? Just don't buy it.

Why in the world would you be offended?

Most people who are upset are the ones who recently purchased the DLC for ten dollars that's now be given out for free with the game

[DJ]

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You may be right Pared, but then we would just be paying for bad roster updates. Don't think it's unreasonable for customers to expect all current NBA players in the game and no one put a gun to 2k's head and told them to promise player art updates with tats, hair, etc, changes. This was an addition I never expected to have and once it was promised expectations were raised that they themselves created. 2k was just way too ambitious this year which resulted in a lack of focus in some areas of the game. If you are talking about something different I apologize. Maybe it's just safe to blame the lockout for the poor execution on some of their promises...

Yeah, the lockout had a bigger impact on 2K12 than I think we expected. Although, that still doesn't excuse the hard-coded issues that are in the game like over-aggressive guards, lack of control when playing D and the lack of CPU double-teams.

Maybe in hindsight 2K would've been better served to have gone all-in with Classic Rosters (have the current teams set to 2010-11 end of year rosters) and drop that as the main game and then, once the Lockout was settled, take 2 months to really nail down the rosters and release a GOTY edition at the All-Star Break that featured all of the Classic Teams and the updated 2011-12 rosters.

But then, do you charge the Day One buyers for the roster update? It's an interesting question. Ten bucks may be a bit steep; maybe 3-5 bucks for the initial update and then subsequent updates are free of charge.