NCAA Football 13 Gameplay Trailer

[SageInfinite]

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Speaking on my behalf, I'm not offended when people aren't impressed. As I've stated in the Madden forum several times, people have different levels of expectations -- as they should. The same scenario will play out when Madden's marketing gets in full swing here shortly.

But I do think it's short-sighted when people RIP EA's football games for their shortcomings, only to give no credit when EA addresses those things. Or, EA fixes ABC, but they didn't touch XYZ so the game is still a massive fail. Not being able to see the forest through the trees is a trait I see a lot of on OS.

Again, people are entitled to their own expectations. Not everyone is willing to let EA off the hook for the 'dark years' and I get that. But both NCAA & Madden are finally on the uptick and it sometimes seems people are so lost in their misery that they can't see that.

Let's not confuse this w/ me telling people to lower their expectations though -- def not saying that.

Good post as most of yours are RG, I will definitely be hollering at you when Madden gets into full swing. I definitely try to give credit when credit is due, they've just made it so much harder this gen. I think another one of the problems is they think a lot of the stuff they do is "cool" until people tell em like hey, that's not what we want, we want realism. Which is why I'm glad EA is interacting more, because sometimes they honestly really just don't get it.

[roadman]

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Good post as most of yours are RG, I will definitely be hollering at you when Madden gets into full swing. I definitely try to give credit when credit is due, they've just made it so much harder this gen. I think another one of the problems is they think a lot of the stuff they do is "cool" until people tell em like hey, that's not what we want, we want realism. Which is why I'm glad EA is interacting more, because sometimes they honestly really just don't get it.

Let's hope this changes with Cam Weber in charge. Not to take anything away from past leadership, but based on the changes to game play(need to see if they still work), I think and feel it's a step in the right direction.

I've already said earlier in this thread, I don't see animations or physics being worked on till new consoles come out, but I've been wrong before.

[poster]

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One more thing I'd like to add, might get a little hate for this, but idk, seems like EA has a little bit of tunnel vision when developing these games every year. Seems like they focus on a certain aspect and that's it. More info could come out, but it just seems to me like if I were working on the passing game I'd work on every aspect. Penalties, OL/DL, QB styles, WR DB interaction, as well as what they did, then it would be a little but more understandable if the running game wasn't touched on. Just seems to me they choose to work on the game in compartments instead of on a whole.

It's just like when they added refs but didn't add the chain gangs. It's like all they see is the one goal they set and don't see anything else. Respect for what they do though, I appreciate the effort they put into getting us information now. The podcasts and interaction is definitely the best thing about this generation coming from EA/Tiburon. Shout out to all those who still get the most out of this game.

I am not a fan of them doing things this way either. EA has always seemed to do things half way, half-baked, etc., seems to have been this way for years. You always end up thinking that they could have done more in a certain area.

I remember last year with Madden and their player introductions. They just showed key players on offense and defense, instead of the whole starting lineup for each unit. After people complained, they said they wanted to do "bite-sized" introductions. It was typical EA Sports in action, not sure how in the world they thought that was "cool" or a welcome feature. Either do it right or don't do it at all. On top of that, it never changed from game to game. The same players every game. It was so poor and frustrating, especially when they claimed they wanted it to be a broadcast presentation.

[SageInfinite]

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I am not a fan of them doing things this way either. EA has always seemed to do things half way, half-baked, etc., seems to have been this way for years. You always end up thinking that they could have done more in a certain area.

I remember last year with Madden and their player introductions. They just showed key players on offense and defense, instead of the whole starting lineup for each unit. After people complained, they said they wanted to do "bite-sized" introductions. It was typical EA Sports in action, not sure how in the world they thought that was "cool" or a welcome feature. Either do it right or don't do it at all. On top of that, it never changed from game to game. The same players every game. It was so poor and frustrating, especially when they claimed they wanted it to be a broadcast presentation.

Exactly. Another example of how they think things are fine and should be that way. I just don't get it.

[SageInfinite]

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Let's hope this changes with Cam Weber in charge. Not to take anything away from past leadership, but based on the changes to game play(need to see if they still work), I think and feel it's a step in the right direction.

I've already said earlier in this thread, I don't see animations or physics being worked on till new consoles come out, but I've been wrong before.

I definitely see the change, as NCAA 11 and 12 have shown a refocus on realism. May be baby steps, but at least they are steps. I truly pray they come out really swinging for next gen. I don't expect the "end all, be all" to be the first next gen football game, but I pray they foundation is there to build something amazing.

[ultralow36]

Ok maybe the hook line and sinker was a tad childish. But seriously we have this same debate every year. Hell I was on the other side of the fence defending the changes and improvements last year. But the same trend always continues about the game being hyped out of control and then falling far short of what people would like. The same people not wanting to hear about the short comings will be the ones coming here complaining that the game is STILL lack luster and the improvements minor. Mark my words this will happen. You might not agree with my comments now, but you agree more after several months with the game in your hands.

@Ramminyou - It is not just the short clips being the point. It is that the game itself, not football that doesn't change. See the problem is everyone talks about the same issues year in and year out. The core game remains the same and has for years. So the same problems continue to carry over year after year after year.

Where is the large improvements? I understand there is minor improvements, but the game has bigger issues that need tending to. You would think in 5 years they could improve the animations, the blocking, running animations, hell all the animations to begin with, feeling of weight (less zip zag running).....on and on.

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[ultralow36]

I am all for these improvements. Psychic db's was one of the most disgusting things I've seen in football. I'm glad they're gone, but it seems people get offended when you aren't impressed about the improvements EA made. The passing game overhaul was definitely overdue, but things being added like trajectories is just a little idk, it's just funny to me EA thought it was cool to have 2 trajectories. Like they didn't see anything wrong with it for years, lol, and I'm supposed to be excited that they finally realized this? Lol. It's just funny to me.

I will enjoy the game for what it is with my limited time with it, but getting excited now is something I just can't do. I've owned every NCAA game, and I guess the excitement from these improvements is so low for me because the base of the engine(s) was so bad to begin with. Here's to next gen and hoping they decide to go with a more sim based foundation. Props to the devs for all the hardwork, shame on EA/Tiburon for such terrible focus and vision for all these years. Look no further than the back of NCAA 10 for evidence of this.

sound like MLB the show 12,NBA 2k12 very minor undated some like some complain I mean MLB the show has a lot of issues and they market ball physics really....same with 2k basketball a lot of issues and they market classic teams really...its not just NCAA its sports games after 6yrs its only so much there going to do.....and yes those games have problems over looked for years.



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[ultralow36]

LOL. Thanks my dude. Glad we share the same opinion. It's just funny to me how guys get mad or offended like I bash this game just because they enjoy the game as is. I'm a huge fan of NBA 2k, but I don't react like that when guys don't enjoy it like me.

why do u think people get offended I'm.just having a conversation .....I'm 37 I have played every Madden and NCAA made...the thing is I remember the crap they where and I do not pretend they where some God sent....




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[SageInfinite]

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sound like MLB the show 12,NBA 2k12 very minor undated some like some complain I mean MLB the show has a lot of issues and they market ball physics really....same with 2k basketball a lot of issues and they market classic teams really...its not just NCAA its sports games after 6yrs its only so much there going to do.....and yes those games have problems over looked for years.



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Of course all games have problems, but those games overall represent their sports better than NCAA/Madden. This is clear. Also what's marketed is not all that is worked on in those games. With EA/Tiburon, whatever they market is what you get. 9/10 if it isn't discussed, it hasn't been touched.

[DJ]

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LOL. Thanks my dude. Glad we share the same opinion. It's just funny to me how guys get mad or offended like I bash this game just because they enjoy the game as is. I'm a huge fan of NBA 2k, but I don't react like that when guys don't enjoy it like me.

Yeah, at the end of the day everyone is entitled to their opinion. I don't have to agree with it, but I can still take something away from an opposing view, and sometimes, it helps me understand what I'm looking at a little more clearly.

I love NBA 2K and MLB The Show but I don't get bent out of shape when people complain about that game. Not everyone is going to get the same enjoyment out of a game as another.

I think that's what we are seeing with EA Football games. There's a group that will love EA Football games no matter what. They don't break down OL/DL play, things like that, and just play and enjoy the game. I think that's great. I really do.

Unfortunately for me, having literally grown up with Madden and EA Football, it's harder for me to just sit back and play the game in front of me. I just see a game full of potential, but too many of the 'little things' are missing that after 20-plus years, stand out too prominently for me to ignore.

I played quite a bit of Madden 10, as I thought that was a good step in the right direction. Madden 11 seemed to regress and Madden 12 improved on 11, but man, the game just feels so lifeless, it's hard to really devote an extended amount of time to the game. NCAA 11 was a solid game and NCAA 12 pre-patch was really good. We all know what happened after the patches, so no need to go down that road.

Just like Madden, though, NCAA just feels hollow. Stadium Sounds help some, but the lack of a dynamic crowd just kills the NCAA atmosphere, same thing with the decade-old commentary. I'm glad Christian is there at Tiburon; I think he'll help get some of the ideas we've discussed on these boards for years into the game.

Back to my 'little things' point. Some people say that EA Football not having certain penalties like PI, Roughing the Passer, etc. called at all isn't a big deal. To me, that's a huge misstep. It'd be like NBA 2K not having any fouls in its game or MLB The Show not having umpires on the field making (and sometimes legit missing calls just like real umps) calls.

Roadman said a key word: Options. Look at those two games I refereced above. What do they have? OPTIONS. You don't want to play a certain way? That's fine. There's X,Y and Z for you to choose from that should more fit your playing style. EA tries to fit everyone into the same box and it just doesn't work that way anymore. It doesn't help that sliders aren't very responsive, either. A simple 'Arcade', 'Normal' and 'Simulation' option would go a LONG way towards helping these games out.

OK, I could go on and on and I've probably rambled a bit too much, but wanted to make all of my points instead of posting them here and there, where they get lost in translation.

[SageInfinite]

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Yeah, at the end of the day everyone is entitled to their opinion. I don't have to agree with it, but I can still take something away from an opposing view, and sometimes, it helps me understand what I'm looking at a little more clearly.

I love NBA 2K and MLB The Show but I don't get bent out of shape when people complain about that game. Not everyone is going to get the same enjoyment out of a game as another.

I think that's what we are seeing with EA Football games. There's a group that will love EA Football games no matter what. They don't break down OL/DL play, things like that, and just play and enjoy the game. I think that's great. I really do.

Unfortunately for me, having literally grown up with Madden and EA Football, it's harder for me to just sit back and play the game in front of me. I just see a game full of potential, but too many of the 'little things' are missing that after 20-plus years, stand out too prominently for me to ignore.

I played quite a bit of Madden 10, as I thought that was a good step in the right direction. Madden 11 seemed to regress and Madden 12 improved on 11, but man, the game just feels so lifeless, it's hard to really devote an extended amount of time to the game. NCAA 11 was a solid game and NCAA 12 pre-patch was really good. We all know what happened after the patches, so no need to go down that road.

Just like Madden, though, NCAA just feels hollow. Stadium Sounds help some, but the lack of a dynamic crowd just kills the NCAA atmosphere, same thing with the decade-old commentary. I'm glad Christian is there at Tiburon; I think he'll help get some of the ideas we've discussed on these boards for years into the game.

Back to my 'little things' point. Some people say that EA Football not having certain penalties like PI, Roughing the Passer, etc. called at all isn't a big deal. To me, that's a huge misstep. It'd be like NBA 2K not having any fouls in its game or MLB The Show not having umpires on the field making (and sometimes legit missing calls just like real umps) calls.

Roadman said a key word: Options. Look at those two games I refereced above. What do they have? OPTIONS. You don't want to play a certain way? That's fine. There's X,Y and Z for you to choose from that should more fit your playing style. EA tries to fit everyone into the same box and it just doesn't work that way anymore. It doesn't help that sliders aren't very responsive, either. A simple 'Arcade', 'Normal' and 'Simulation' option would go a LONG way towards helping these games out.

OK, I could go on and on and I've probably rambled a bit too much, but wanted to make all of my points instead of posting them here and there, where they get lost in translation.

Excellent post. I feel exactly the same way. There are just so many missed opportunities with football this gen. Like I went back and played all of the NCAA games this gen, and I noticed something as small as how players used to get set in one of the older games, it looked alot more natural, like why get ride of that? Small things like that add up for someone like me. My biggest problem with EA this gen is, they do everything they can to remind you that you're just playing a video game. Immersion for me is so limited. That's cool for some people, they'd rather be immersed in competition, which is fine, but I'd rather be immersed in the sport and the broadcast of the sport.

[Big FN Deal]

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They won't pulsate, but they will be lighting up at different times all over the field. Staying lit and lighting up are way different to me, lighting up will seem like flashes all over the place it kinda ruins the emersion factor seems more arcadey (IMO). I would much rather the reciever raise their arm when they are ready for the ball. I guess it doesn't really matter now, not sure why they don't run this stuff by the "community" to get our opinions before they put it in the game. Who knows maybe it won't be so bad hmmm...

This is the head scratcher for me about EA/Tiburon's decisions on options. It seems like they could have and maybe they still can, add a way to turn off just the visual aspect of this feature.

Personally, I would like an option to assign each button on the controller to a corresponding receiver in each play pregame, in the pause menu and play call screen so I wouldn't need the button icons ever displayed out on the field.

[RGiles36]

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Sage, the below is what I'm referring to when I say people are lost in their misery:

Where is the large improvements?

I'm not adding the member's name as I have no issue with him -- just the sentiment.

I mean, am I the only one who remembers how EA's football games were beat up for their subpar passing games? Am I the only one who remembers banned-OSer Valdarez creating threads and videos demonstrating how well put together APF's passing game was? Videos highlighting where Madden (and NCAA to a degree) failed? How "tethered" the passes were to the receivers? Am I the only one who remembers people in this forum tricking themselves into believing they had discovered new trajectories by holding the LT button?

If we're to believe what we learned yesterday, none of this should be an issue going forward.

So again, I don't get offended at all, nor should anyone. I just expect people to be fair and consistent, as I try to be. How can people (not speaking of you boss) poo-poo these improvements as if passing wasn't one of the main issues in EA football games?

That's all I'm trying to convey, but I'm sure you understand where I'm coming from .

[moylan1234]

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I'm extremely skeptical of the so called improvements because to me it appears they made changes just to shut people up about things like super LBs without actually thinking about the effect on the game. For instance one of the first vids they showed was a play where the LB was in perfect position to jump up and swat a pass but didn't for whatever reason. It just feels like they removed that ability all together so they wouldn't have to hear the complaint anymore

[SageInfinite]

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Sage, the below is what I'm referring to when I say people are lost in their misery:



I'm not adding the member's name as I have no issue with him -- just the sentiment.

I mean, am I the only one who remembers how EA's football games were beat up for their subpar passing games? Am I the only one who remembers banned-OSer Valdarez creating threads and videos demonstrating how well put together APF's passing game was? Videos highlighting where Madden (and NCAA to a degree) failed? How "tethered" the passes were to the receivers? Am I the only one who remembers people in this forum tricking themselves into believing they had discovered new trajectories by holding the LT button?

If we're to believe what we learned yesterday, none of this should be an issue going forward.

So again, I don't get offended at all, nor should anyone. I just expect people to be fair and consistent, as I try to be. How can people (not speaking of you boss) poo-poo these improvements as if passing wasn't one of the main issues in EA football games?

That's all I'm trying to convey, but I'm sure you understand where I'm coming from .

Nah I totally agree, and I'm sure most of the level headed posters here agree with you as well. It's clear in the OS round table article that was just posted on the NCAA gameplay. Everything there was discussed, and discussed fairly. I totally applaud EA for updating the passing game. It was SORELY needed, and had been a complaint for years.

I don't see how the same people who complained about it not being changed, can't praise it now. I can understand not being excited, but to not recognize one of the biggest problems SEEMINGLY corrected, just puzzles me. I also understand the skepticism, but all we can do now is watch, and listen.