OS Roundtable: What do you think of the NCAA Football Gameplay Enhancements?

[Eski33]

I think the enhancements sound awesome. If they work as advertised should be a better effort.

Lets hope OD works out of the gate.

Overall excited to see the game in action.

[ODogg]

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Loving it. It directly addressed the issues I had with NCAA 12 and kept '12 from being a worthy follow up to NCAA 11.

Ditto for me....I just hope that everything they are claiming is true. If so then July 6 can't come early enough for me!!

[BlingBling19]

OL/DL interaction will now be the focus for what needs improvement next. I have a feeling this CAN'T be fixed on this generation of console.

The next console I have a feeling will be able to remedy almost every complaint people have about these games. I get the idea that this system is pretty much tapped out. They are adding in everything possible this year because after this year the brand new consoles will be out.

[Special27K]

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I'm extremely happy that we have new pass trajectories and better WR/DB interactions. The new animations are always welcomed (hopefully actually utilized compared to the ones that introduced in '12). Everything they added is time well spent I guess.

But, for them to say enhancements and things is sort of what's frustrating to me. EA sort of gives us these things that they absolutely should do and are necessary for a better football and it comes off more like a gift to us when its something they should just do. While they're little improvements they aren't groundbreaking and unprecedented programming.

Its baby steps and I've been alright with them and have sworn it'll get us to the game we want. Its just the last few years there hasn't been anything other than coaching carousel that has gotten me out of my seat. Honestly that fell short of expectations for me even.

I love the game and will keep buying, they're still improvements.

[Phobia]

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I agree with some of this, but if EA was putting in extra stuff, fancy things, as in recent years, you'd hear backlash, too. So, with your point, they are darned if they do and darned if they don't.

I agree, this stuff should have been done yesteryear, but there isn't anything we can do to change that.

Even with games like COD, our son was son so disappointed with the changes in the last one, he said, don't get that series again. The 2k hoops forums here were just as loud or louder with 2k 12 issues. And every year, I pop in the MLB Show forums and people are complaining about the incremental upgrades for the last few years.

If these features work as advertised, this could be a good step in the right direction with NCAA, finally, but we will see.

No one was as frustrated as me with NCAA last year. The lack of communication with all the bugs was terrible and lackadaisical.

Road, my friend you are excellent at walking that line right down the center LOL......We don't agree on everything but we both have similar view points on almost everything. You just walk that grey area better than me

One thing we can both agree on, last year was a utter disaster with the bugs and lack of communication. Granted we did try and improve it.

[Boilerbuzz]

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Like who is going to make a NCAA football game 2k could have made one years ago and didn't...

Wrong. The license is exclusive. How do you not know this?

[Boilerbuzz]

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This has been my sentiment all along. It just wasn't enough for me to say YES I'm going to go out and purchase NCAA. Knowing that Madden will be similar in many respects I just cannot purchase two games with the same frustrations. Also, I will agree with Boilerbuzz here, while it is great they will have 25 trajectories, this is still part of the problem with their football games. All of those trajectories will be "fixed" in a sense. Like he said, unless there is a ball physics engine in the game, it only feeds into the problem and I am not convinced that they cannot add a ball physics engine to the game. It all comes down to decisions and how those things will impact the game later on.

I want these games to be great and I'm willing to give them a shot through Season Pass. But the habit of buying them just because must stop. That said, I'm not going to fault their effort.

I will say this: if the trajectories improve significantly (regardless of the under-pinnings), I'll give it a shot. By far my biggest issue with EA football was ball trajectories and how they f'ed up ball placement in the passing game.

[ultralow36]

my friend,
I would rather watch real football than playing this series for another year. We can make them change. The only reason they haven't is because we still buy the game. No risk no reward, bigger the risk the bigger the reward.
Its to big of a market for another company not to give it a try. You gotta have faith, we are the sole reason EA football is still around.
GOD BLESS

if you think the people on this site is the reason EA makes this and Madden you have fell of your rocker...college students, kid sitting at home,older gamers are this site do hold that kind of force



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[Manslaughterin9]

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if you think the people on this site is the reason EA makes this and Madden you have fell of your rocker...college students, kid sitting at home,older gamers are this site do hold that kind of force



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Not what I dictated. what i said and meant, is people on this site share the same thoughts on ncaa/madden that has faulted the growth of the game and genre. We need to stop thinking about buying this game blindly, and start paying for quality. The first step is boycotting and demanding better quality before we open are wallets.
god bless

[ultralow36]

Wrong. The license is exclusive. How do you not know this?

this Gen what about last Gen 2k2 college football was there last college ball and then they stop ...so they didn't make one last Gen when it was cheaper what changed? Its more expensive now they can't make a hockey or baseball game to save there lives boxing crap......



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[jyoung]

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OL/DL interaction will now be the focus for what needs improvement next. I have a feeling this CAN'T be fixed on this generation of console.

The next console I have a feeling will be able to remedy almost every complaint people have about these games. I get the idea that this system is pretty much tapped out. They are adding in everything possible this year because after this year the brand new consoles will be out.

There are two other football games already on the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 (All Pro Football 2K8, Backbreaker) that figured out how to do lineplay reasonably well.

Lineplay is not a console issue. It's a developer issue (EA Tiburon).

[Phobia]

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There are two other football games already on the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 (All Pro Football 2K8, Backbreaker) that figured out how to do lineplay reasonably well.

Lineplay is not a console issue. It's a developer issue (EA Tiburon).

J I have to say though that BB is not the best representation either though. APF on the other hand is bar none the best representation of O-line vs D-line

[DJACK]

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Wrong. The license is exclusive. How do you not know this?

Wrong.....

[Manslaughterin9]

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There are two other football games already on the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 (All Pro Football 2K8, Backbreaker) that figured out how to do lineplay reasonably well.

Lineplay is not a console issue. It's a developer issue (EA Tiburon).

exactly my friend.
I think half the battle is educating the masses.
God bless

[btemp]

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I have two points to get across.

1) Nobody is holding a gun to your head telling you to buy this game. If you really don't want to spend 60 bucks on it, then go play it at a friends house, or wait a week and buy a used copy at gamestop. Try the game out, if you don't like it then just return it.

I don't get why so many people say "I spent 60 bucks, these guys scammed me". It's not that hard to think of ways to test it out without paying for it.

You can go to a friend who has the game, you can purchase a used copy from gamestop which is always refundable, or you can replay the demo enough times for you to get a feel for the game.

2) There's something that a lot of people don't seem to understand in the world of marketing.

Are a lot of these things that they are bringing out overdue? From a fan's point of view yes. These are basic things that should have been included in the world most realistic sim football game.

HOWEVER, from the developers standpoint, they need something to add every year.

If everybody got their wish and EA added every single thing possible in NCAA 13, who is going to go buy NCAA 14 for a different cover case?

Rosters? Nope. There are people here on OS that would just make new rosters. If there was nothing to improve on, they would lost tons of money.

I'm not saying I enjoy getting these features way later, but I most certainly understand why they stagger these features unlike a lot of 10 year olds on here that cry about how they get scammed 60 bucks because they don't know how to think.

Sigh. You're points are completely irrelevant to the issues I raised. To quickly summarize my points: (a) NCAA 12 was a horribly broken product, more broken than any EA football game to date, myself and many others found it upon release completely unplayable. (b) Many of these improvements are embarrassing to be added on the 8th year of next gen, things like 3, 5, 7 step drops or the much maligned "psychic" defenders. (c) The latest gameplay trailer is ugly to watch. As well, O and D line play is till completely broken on many, many levels.

I will address your points anyway.

1) This is a very dumb argument. The fact that something is testable doesn't change the fact that when purchased it should play as promised. So whether or not I can "try" a copy somewhere (which, by the way, is no guarantee to reveal flaws) when I buy it, it should work. In this case, what EA sold was a beta version - anyone else remember seeing that on the box? I can test drive a car around the block, but what happens if a week later I discover the folding seats don't actually fold and the entertainment system doesn't turn on?

2) This is what we call a "straw man" argument. Just because you've decided to call it "marketing" doesn't change that football basics are just now getting in the game. "From a developers standpoint" there are a plethora of things to add to NCAA/Madden, in fact I would posit that if EA chose to purely to add football essentials we'd still be twenty years from a finished product even ignoring modes like superstar and dynasty/franchise. Perhaps a more appropriate marketing slogan would be: "if its in pee wee football, its in the game - soon". In fact, the lack of improvement in the NCAA/Madden series (particularly NCAA) on next gen has been a very common complaint, reflected most recently in OS articles. You're trying to make an argument from a business standpoint and its both irrelevant to my point (that football basics and much maligned problems are just now getting fixed) and not a sound business practice (a great example is Apple, who are the kings of marketing, while Apple certainly holds improvements back it still sells a product that: has noticeable improvements, addresses consumer issues, and works really, really well).