Madden NFL 13 Video - Replay Footage and Packers vs. Bears Pre-Game (Pastapadre)

[Big FN Deal]

Re: Madden 13 Replay Footage and Pre-Game (Packers vs Bears) thanks to Pastapadre

It's funny to read the reactions of people towards other people that aren't impressed with what they have seen. As someone that has been perpetually optimistic but ultimately disappointed this entire gen, what matters most to me is my personal satisfaction with Madden 13, not other peoples.

I hope other people find enjoyment and satisfaction with Madden 13 but I can't do anything about it, one way or the other. So if people can't enjoy the game unless redone player movement, OL/DL interaction overhaul, full halftime shows and etc, are included, I am sorry to hear that. However, the only things left for me to hear is that the complete franchise mode is online and that the new stuff works reasonably well, then I'm good.

Whatever other stuff they accomplish or announce outside of that is just icing for me. lol

Also, my confidence meter for OL/DL tuning improvement went off the charts when Clint said he was a former Redskin. lol

[Skyboxer]

Re: Madden 13 Replay Footage and Pre-Game (Packers vs Bears) thanks to Pastapadre

At first glance, this stuff looks good, I can't even lie. Gotta watch it again though. Thanx JP

Yes he was looking back and should be able to make that play IMO.
No doubt.

[Skyboxer]

Re: Madden 13 Replay Footage and Pre-Game (Packers vs Bears) thanks to Pastapadre

You might have a point but I tend to disagree... If he was in zone coverage he wouldn't be backpeddaling and straffing along with the incoming receiver, he'd be instead dropping (only backpeddaling) and then looking at the qb.

Even though it does look like he's looking at the QB

Even in zone the DB will still somewhat shadow the WR until they leave thier area of zone caverage.

[Hova57]

Re: Madden 13 Replay Footage and Pre-Game (Packers vs Bears) thanks to Pastapadre

He was looking at the WR the entire time and cut as the receiver cut. What's the problem?

for me i feel like maybe reciever should have fought for the ball use his body, instead of a layout catch. but its an early build they need to tune those type of scenarios.

[PGaither84]

Re: Madden 13 Replay Footage and Pre-Game (Packers vs Bears) thanks to Pastapadre

no one will every give EA any credit ...even when you see such good improvement on a pre alpha. geez lighting up

You must be new here.

We see pre-alpha and are told it's pre-alpha.

Then we see the same thing in Beta, and are told it's just beta.

We are told to wait for E3 and then are told E3 is a much older build than they have right now.

We are told to wait for the demo, but it's still almost the same... or at least the core complaints are still there... but it's just the demo.

It's time to wait for the retail copy, but and it is very similar to the pre-alpha, but we are told to wait for a patch or two, or three... and next thing we know Madden 11... I mean 12... I mean 13 is about to come out.

Yet, after all of that, even with the minor improvements here and there, it is still the same game in MANY other ways.

I agree with others that the foot planting in Madden 10 is actually better than Madden 12. I still have M10, M11 and M12 and can compare. While M12 is the best Madden on this generation, and may be one of the best Madden's they have put out, it STILL isn't nearly as good as it could or should be.

I am not asking for the impossible. I am not asking for too much. I am asking for things that have already been done, in other football games.

What has REALLY changed in the game play from Madden 09 to Madden 12?

When I think about it, all I can really point to are options like game speed/sliders, how tackling works has changed, and how run blocking works. Also, the visual presentation was improved last year and looks like it has continued to improve this year.

I can't comment on the passing game, but in motion the game still moves like Madden. It is still choppy and robotic with animations and reactions that don't pass the eye test. Heck ,the QB mechanics are still god awful and unrealistic. I'm sure body language still doesn't really matter. I'm sure a defender who is a complete stop in zone, or going one way can change direction and keep up with a receiver who is running an In route over the middle.

Too many people are happy with the "it's just a video game" line and actually DON'T want more authentic game play. There are people who love how casual and arcade-ish Madden is.

[blklightning]

Re: Madden 13 Replay Footage and Pre-Game (Packers vs Bears) thanks to Pastapadre

it looks like a different company is making this game because this is looking really good. they must have replaced quite a few people.

[blklightning]

Re: Madden 13 Replay Footage and Pre-Game (Packers vs Bears) thanks to Pastapadre

I don't think Roman Harper should react so quickly.

these are professional athletes. they have ridiculous reflexes and reaction times.

[PGaither84]

Re: Madden 13 Replay Footage and Pre-Game (Packers vs Bears) thanks to Pastapadre

They correctly have Simms and Nantz sitting in the correct spots.

http://youtu.be/yioh9CKS97c

also look at all the related videos... Simms always on the TV left and Nantz on TV right. Good job.

[spfalla]

Don't know if that has been posted yet but I'm going to say it anyways. There is a thing called jumping the routes. DB's do it all the time and in that vid it looks like that is what the DB was doing. That looked like a good football play to me. The WR made his cut and the DB reacted fast to it(what a good DB does) Now if his back was turned the entire time I could see some merit, but the play is developing in front of him the entire time.

[jpdavis82]

Re: Madden 13 Replay Footage and Pre-Game (Packers vs Bears) thanks to Pastapadre

They correctly have Simms and Nantz sitting in the correct spots.

http://youtu.be/yioh9CKS97c

also look at all the related videos... Simms always on the TV left and Nantz on TV right. Good job.

I noticed that too, but that's not what's REALLY impressive, what's really impressive is that they got them in the exact booth location for all 32 stadiums, so you will see exactly what you see on tv.

[redsfan4life]

The only thing I like is the WR/DB interaction. Everything else looks like same old Madden to me.

[GiantBlue76]

Re: Madden 13 Replay Footage and Pre-Game (Packers vs Bears) thanks to Pastapadre

You must be new here.

We see pre-alpha and are told it's pre-alpha.

Then we see the same thing in Beta, and are told it's just beta.

We are told to wait for E3 and then are told E3 is a much older build than they have right now.

We are told to wait for the demo, but it's still almost the same... or at least the core complaints are still there... but it's just the demo.

It's time to wait for the retail copy, but and it is very similar to the pre-alpha, but we are told to wait for a patch or two, or three... and next thing we know Madden 11... I mean 12... I mean 13 is about to come out.

Yet, after all of that, even with the minor improvements here and there, it is still the same game in MANY other ways.

I agree with others that the foot planting in Madden 10 is actually better than Madden 12. I still have M10, M11 and M12 and can compare. While M12 is the best Madden on this generation, and may be one of the best Madden's they have put out, it STILL isn't nearly as good as it could or should be.

I am not asking for the impossible. I am not asking for too much. I am asking for things that have already been done, in other football games.

What has REALLY changed in the game play from Madden 09 to Madden 12?

When I think about it, all I can really point to are options like game speed/sliders, how tackling works has changed, and how run blocking works. Also, the visual presentation was improved last year and looks like it has continued to improve this year.

I can't comment on the passing game, but in motion the game still moves like Madden. It is still choppy and robotic with animations and reactions that don't pass the eye test. Heck ,the QB mechanics are still god awful and unrealistic. I'm sure body language still doesn't really matter. I'm sure a defender who is a complete stop in zone, or going one way can change direction and keep up with a receiver who is running an In route over the middle.

Too many people are happy with the "it's just a video game" line and actually DON'T want more authentic game play. There are people who love how casual and arcade-ish Madden is.

This is exactly the post I was going to write. Thanks PG, you saved me the trouble of finding the right words. I'm what you would consider an "old timer". I started playing Madden in 1988, you know, probably around the time most of you were born. There was an incarnation of Madden on the computer before the Genesis version. I've played damn near every football game ever made. I had them all. This Madden LOOKS good, but nothing is REALLY popping out at me. It's the same MO, which is the frustration you are seeing from people in this thread. These improvements, if they work as advertised, are all great. However, basic player movement, warping, leaping, and ridiculous acts that defy every law of physics is what destroys this game. Basic line interaction which is done so perfectly in other older games destroys this game. Nothing tells me the players are actually alive. They are robots. I'm willing to bet that the same issue plaguing all of the other Madden's will be there as well - when the ball is about to leave the QB's hand, all 11 defenders will stop on a dime and begin to move towards the ball. EA sees dollar signs, but they can't see the forest through the trees. The videos they are showing do not look much different than the videos I saw for M11 and M12. It always looks impressive showing the high resolution replays and those finer details, but when you are actually playing the game, it doesn't look like that. No one has ever questioned how Madden looks. It looks AMAZING - the art team has done a tremendous job. It's when you start actually playing it where it all goes awry. As of right now, I'm passing on this game. People can label me what they want, but I'm not 12 so I don't subscribe to that ridiculous "*****" terminology. I'm a realist. I have no angst towards EA, I could care less about the company. I care about the football. The challenge system, penalties, player movement and cutting without momentum, warping/teleporting, terrible OL/DL interaction, no real pocket, etc. etc. are all still going to be left on the table and I'll be told to wait until "next year". Tiburon has their work cut out for them to keep their classic customer base. Maybe they don't care too, since younger kids today will be buying this game and think it's amazing. They can play as their favorite team and score 50 points on the Ravens defense. It will be exciting to watch catches in triple coverage, Patrick Willis cover Calvin Johnson step for step and have Adrian Peterson plow through an entire defense 4 times a game while zig zagging through defenders on his way to the end zone.

Oh well, there's always next gen.

[jagsrock95]

the replay with woodson and williams looked really good! Im definitely liking what im seeing so far...

[khaliib]

My issue is the OL vs DL.
The DT's focus seems to be wrestling with the OL in front of them.

With the dropback steps for the QB, you would think they would at least add some backward steps to the OL to simulate them being driven back into the QB.

The DE's are still getting stonewalled at the POA.
The OT's still glide on a Pre-determined/canned arc for blocking the DE's to form this NICE Pocket.
G/C's still standing around when not engaged in an animation.

What's up with the OL/DL play?
Where's the love for this area of the game?

OL/DL play looks watered down to showcase the new passing injections to me.

[bukktown]

Re: Madden NFL 13 Video - Replay Footage and Packers vs. Bears Pre-Game (Pastapadre)

I guess it is intentional (to match all of the other animations) but the Brees, Smith, and Dalton throwing animations looked weird.

It is really cool that they have models of Sims and Nantz.