I wonder if the 3-2-6 and 3-3-5 will once again...

[ViLLiO]

...be the best run stoppers in NCAA 13 while the 4-3 will get gutted on the corner... I wonder if the LBs will get sucked into the line allowing the back to just bounce it outside for a huge gain. I wonder if I can get some significant pressure with a 4 man rush, or will my DEs be too busy playing pattycakes with the OT for a good 9-10 seconds. I wonder if my Tampa 2 will work. I wonder if they'll take the stupid 1-5-5 out since it's never been used in the history of the game of football.

Anyone's thoughts? Have they said anything about fixing the OL/DL interaction? Three man fronts on this engine confuse the CPU AI to the point where they double and triple team DLs while LBs shoot in free and untouched. There is absolutely NO reason that the 3-2-6 would be able to even slow down a power rushing attack.

And they have GOT to fix the four man rush in obvious passing situations when I want to drop 7-8 back in coverage. There really is no point in even recruiting DEs because they don't utilize a true speed rush where they hit the outside and get to the QB in a matter of 2-4 seconds. Did everyone forget the beautiful speed rush on old gen consoles? On offense, you would actually have to audible your RB/TE to stay in and block to stop it. In NCAA 12, all you need to do is just put your 175 lb safety with 95 SPD at DE and do it manually in order to get any kind of pressure on the outside. Pathetic.



I'm just really worried about a lot of aspects in this game, and for good reason, because EA has burned us time and time again.

[patsfan1993]

Re: I wonder if the 3-2-6 and 3-3-5 will once again...

I agree with the concept you are putting forth. OL/DL interactions need to be more accurate, but the 1-5-5 isn't some defense the developers just decided to create. It is used.

http://voices.yahoo.com/what-1-5-5-defense-why-england-840113.html

[JerzeyReign]

Re: I wonder if the 3-2-6 and 3-3-5 will once again...

I'm not going to disagree but I think you need to practice more using 4 man fronts. My custom defense for a sim league was nothing but 40 fronts and I didn't have too many problems. Then again I play on a linemen on defense and I'm pretty good at doing it so I can pretty much disrupt the strong side by myself. With myself clogging up the strong side and sending a run blitz on the backside, I haven't had too many issues.

[patsfan1993]

Re: I wonder if the 3-2-6 and 3-3-5 will once again...

Also- one thing that I have found to be useful is on passing downs I hot route both my DE's to blitz. It seems to simulate a speed rush and collapse the pocket much better.

[aerovt]

Re: I wonder if the 3-2-6 and 3-3-5 will once again...

as long as its all animation based and weight/momentum dont play a factor (ie for several more years at least) D-line effectiveness and a 4 man rush will probably always be an issue.

When punters can be subbed in for the o-line and everyone on defense from DTs to Safteys are basically blocked the same (with some variation in disengagement moves) and not just bowled over if overpowered or vice versa, then having more 'speed' (ie LBs and DBs) on the field will pretty much always have an advantage

[ViLLiO]

Re: I wonder if the 3-2-6 and 3-3-5 will once again...

I agree with the concept you are putting forth. OL/DL interactions need to be more accurate, but the 1-5-5 isn't some defense the developers just decided to create. It is used.

http://voices.yahoo.com/what-1-5-5-d...nd-840113.html

Then leave it in Madden. The 1-5-5 is NOT used in college.

Anyway that's not really the issue and I don't really care if they leave it in or not. I shred people who use this crap. It's extremely vulnerable to both runs right up the gut, and bombs. But it isn't in the game, EA.

I'm not going to disagree but I think you need to practice more using 4 man fronts. My custom defense for a sim league was nothing but 40 fronts and I didn't have too many problems. Then again I play on a linemen on defense and I'm pretty good at doing it so I can pretty much disrupt the strong side by myself. With myself clogging up the strong side and sending a run blitz on the backside, I haven't had too many issues.

That's the problem exactly! There are TWO strongsides in this game. As a realistic player who hates excessive blitzing, this is a major issue for me. Colleges recruit weakside DEs for a reason.

You know what? I'm just gonna' go ahead and explain it in great detail here. I originally started ranting about it to you, but I see no point.

[patsfan1993]

Re: I wonder if the 3-2-6 and 3-3-5 will once again...

Umm that was one example. Here is a college specific one:

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1357798

17th paragraph

"The defense then swapped out Lageman, bringing Barber back inside more and inserting Matt Moro. Wes Tonkery closed on the line of scrimmage, while Moro dropped back, creating a 1-5-5 set"

But again I get you on the interactions. I just get irritated with people saying different things should or should not be in the game because they aren't aware of the item being used.

[ViLLiO]

Re: I wonder if the 3-2-6 and 3-3-5 will once again...

Oh ok, leave it in the game since its utilized a good 0.0001% of the time. It's just embarrassing to see those people who shift their LBs back and forth pre-snap and watch one LB get through to the backfield with severe ease even against a power I offense.

[NotreDameKev]

Re: I wonder if the 3-2-6 and 3-3-5 will once again...

Oh ok, leave it in the game since its utilized a good 0.0001% of the time. It's just embarrassing to see those people who shift their LBs back and forth pre-snap and watch one LB get through to the backfield with severe ease even against a power I offense.

Ya, I don't care if that defense is used 75% of the time by college defenses. It is too easy for cheeseball players to abuse it. It's ridiculous.

[blkrptnt819]

Re: I wonder if the 3-2-6 and 3-3-5 will once again...

Ya, I don't care if that defense is used 75% of the time by college defenses. It is too easy for cheeseball players to abuse it. It's ridiculous.

They shouldn't take it out EA should just improve the OL blocking logic.

[PowerofRed25]

Re: I wonder if the 3-2-6 and 3-3-5 will once again...

Oh ok, leave it in the game since its utilized a good 0.0001% of the time. It's just embarrassing to see those people who shift their LBs back and forth pre-snap and watch one LB get through to the backfield with severe ease even against a power I offense.

1 down line "psycho" alignments are actually incredibly popular at the college and pro level these days, although not with 5 LB's, just with base personnel.

I know Nebraska got really creative on & Long and 3rd downs using a single down 1 tech nose tackle and three roaming DE or DE/LB hybrids. For Pelini it stemmed from his Express package on LSU's Championship team running 4 DE on the line. Pre-snap, it is a mess; post-snap, all it is is a four man rush. Some teams blitz or zone blitz out of it, Nebraska doesn't.

The Green Bay Packers and Rob Ryan's Cleveland and Dallas defenses both use it extensively, although they base out of a 3-4, which makes it incredibly easy to install. These two teams zone blitz the hell out of you from this package. Rob Ryan actually uses a Cloud front from time to time with 0 down line.

As easy as you might think it is to run at that alignment, it isn't necessarily true. While your line will get a big push, it is actually easier for the defense to play gap football. It will never be an & Short defense, but it holds its own against a traditional running attack.

I agree with most of what you're saying about its implementation in the game, but it is a much more common defensive look these days and should remain. The problem lies in the OL/DL interaction, not the formation.

[Pokes404]

Re: I wonder if the 3-2-6 and 3-3-5 will once again...

Yeah, the problem with these defenses in the game is that you should be very vulnerable to the running game. You should be seeing the linemen and linebackers being driven back by the offensive line (for the most part); however, because the blocking interactions all essentially come down to a "lock-up" animation that doesn't go anywhere, instead of that nickleback getting blasted by your OT, he'll lock up with him, hold his ground, and then disengage and tackle you as you try to go by.

Essentially, you get all of the speed benefits of these defenses, without having to worry very much about losing physicality against the run game. If strength, weight, and momentum actually played a role in the blocking interactions, you'd see these defenses much less often.