Madden NFL 13 Video Interview - EA Tiburon Breaks Down Some of the New Changes

[WFColonel56]

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smoke make a new thread with your post and I will gladly reply

[Smoke6]

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For the record, I haven't played Madden in 5 years, and I didn't play it like tourney players do.

But you're still a ****** and shouldn't give a **** how people play the game.

Please elaborate for me as to my main features of playing madden are ONLINE PLAY and ONLINE FRANCHISE.

If you dont care about how people play in any of the above modes, then this debate would be non existent and every complaint thread would be null and void due to the fact that we just dont care about how anyone should play the game.

You made no sense whatsoever!

And WF, no need to messy up the boards, I just dont understand how one with soo much knowledge of the sport could condone this type of gameplay that helps degrade the game even more than it already is.

Running animations,

Passing trajectories,

blocking,

BLitzes and schemes,

In online play, all these issues boil down to shady gameplay being the factor that opens up the eyes of players like me and see the flaw right then and there as its being abused.

You guys keep thinking we dont know an overload blitz from a nano being set up. But when you slowly replay what just happened, its clear you are just exploiting the AI until your opponent catches on.

For example the Shake glitch, you may know how to effectively counter such garbage, but the avg "i just got home from work, shut up woman get my beer" joe, will basically just give up playing and coming to a site like this ranting or just not caring to play anymore. But its still a glitch and a pathetic one at that.

But show me a team, that sways its LB core back and forth and gets a speed burst the moment the ball is hiked when the personnel is clearly out matched from Olinemen to the 1 NT and LBs you have rushing in. LBs stunt at the line, but this shake is no stunt at all.

How about the B-lines with the safety right thru the LOS when the ball is snapped by a manual controlled player?

There really is no slide protection on run plays in madden to counter that, you just have to try and time the man coming thru or audible to a pass in which he will know is coming, but either way, for most of us here, its lose lose.

But lets not ingore the main question I posed earlier.

Elaborate on whats the difference in your guys way of playing from that of a SIM players way of playing. Or maybe you guys should lobby for an XFL version of football so you can do as you please as the masses already know what to expect and cant complain about it at all.

[ClevelandFan]

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If you want to play sim, then setup a online franchise with sim players only.

Simple. Now STFU

[Big FN Deal]

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@Smoke, I feel your passion man and since I dabble in competitive play I would like to see "tactics" better regulated too. However, I don't put the blame on EA for how they program the game or even the people that take advantage of the program but on the lack of more diverse forms of enforced regulation.

One of my biggest beefs with next-gen Madden is the lack of penalties and applicable real NFL parameters represented to regulate the game play through risk/reward. Likewise on the tourney scene, when you have EA pushing websites like Virgin gaming or any type of Madden competition which lacks a variety of clearly outlined parameters and enforcement.

I believe there is a market out there for people that want to compete within reasonable real life NFL limitations, in Madden but someone needs to tap into that. If some company ever produces a NFL game that I believe can carryout some solid NFL fundamentals, I want to try to build a coalition in that market, maybe that can will be Madden 13, maybe not.

I am just saying that you are not the only one out there who feels like this and no self proclaimed "sim" gamer need plead with EA or anybody else to change what they do, we have the ability to create our own competitive scene.

[themaddenlab]

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TGL is not a glitch site, it is a strategy site for virtual football gamers. There are plenty of glitch sites out there if that's what you are looking for. We moved away from that stigma years ago. Do some forum members still look for exploits? Sure. Are we looking to exploit game glitches and ruin online games, leagues, tournaments, etc? No. We report game changing issues.

[Big FN Deal]

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If you want to play sim, then setup a online franchise with sim players only.

Simple. Now STFU

That wouldn't solve the issue of there not being a venue where people that play "sim" want to compete for cash and prizes though. That's the point I think Smoke is trying to make, that the tourney scene has become mainly about glitches and exploits without a representation for those that enjoy monetary/prize based competition but want more realistic NFL game play rules and enforcement.

I agree.

[sgibs7]

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That wouldn't solve the issue of there not being a venue where people that play "sim" want to compete for cash and prizes though. That's the point I think Smoke is trying to make, that the tourney scene has become mainly about glitches and exploits without a representation for those that enjoy monetary/prize based competition but want more realistic NFL game play rules and enforcement.

I agree.

thats not what the tournament scene is about at all. at all major tournaments all glitches are banned.

i play madden at a high level and there is a very sound scheme behind what I do.

just as the sim crowd doesnt get credit from people for how they view and want the game - tournament players shouldnt be branded as being one type of player.

i really only think that there is one kind of madden player and that is a madden player.

[ClevelandFan]

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When money is on the line, people are going to do whatever it takes to win, period. They aren't going to hold themselves back so they can be considered "sim" and feel good about themselves for doing so.

[johnnyg713]

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if you aint cheatin, you aint tryin

[Smoke6]

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TGL is not a glitch site, it is a strategy site for virtual football gamers. There are plenty of glitch sites out there if that's what you are looking for. We moved away from that stigma years ago. Do some forum members still look for exploits? Sure. Are we looking to exploit game glitches and ruin online games, leagues, tournaments, etc? No. We report game changing issues.

REALLY? Because here at OS, I see others helping people with football tactics, I dont see threads or posts related to cheating or learning how to cheat. Stuff like that gets removed from here.

You wanna kill off the SIM v freestyle terms, then answer the question i posed twice now.

As for you cleveland,

Why is it that WE always have to go and find a SIM CLUB to join? Do you run madden? I dont and I dont think I do either, but they're are more disgruntled gamers that jumped ship until it gets right then there are players like you.

Why cant I just come home and enjoy a pick up game in the play now section for some variety when none of my SIM members are available to play?

There's a reason people have been asking to bring back fair play to madden online, and I can honestly say I would even play more and frequent these boards with less complaints.

From posting here lately I have met alot of guys who got turned off from just 1 bad experience with guys like you and never touched online again. Thats just sad and it speaks volumes for how people feel and deal with that sort of gameplay.

Big F, VG locked it down, I was a part of that scene before it was even VG and even gave constructive criticism on making it a clean place to play. But they chose to get that money and thats what they're doing regardless of the money they lose for each SIM player that leaves or doesnt join, the money is enticing enough to make people want to cheat and glitch.

I couldnt do it, and I had an impressive record even dealing with all the drama and shady gameplay. But its not worth the headache sitting thru a game that truly pre determined because my opponent is too lazy to lab a legit scheme but instead goes and labs someone elses cheesy scheme and gimmicks in order to get some money.

Just morally wrong, I dont and never liked cheating people out of anything especially money. Thats some desperate stuff!

[ClevelandFan]

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As long as exploits/glitches are there, they will be abused. If you can't get over that, then you should stop playing.

[Smoke6]

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When money is on the line, people are going to do whatever it takes to win, period. They aren't going to hold themselves back so they can be considered "sim" and feel good about themselves for doing so.

Thats good to know, and its funny how everything you say and feel is exactly what the freestyle scene as always been about, but at the same time you are going up against Gibs and TGL as they are saying the exact opposite and I still dont know what the difference is between the SIM and Freestyle!

This is a headache in itself!

We a have a used to be freestyle play (cleveland) and 3-4 other freestyle players in here saying the opposite of what you say. But I guarantee you go to virgin and check the records and feedback of any of them and the members who attended the recent NY event, most of their feedback will tell you how they play and get down.

They will say exactly what cleveland says!

Guys that have cheated and lost to me, left me bad feedback and detailing what they did to but saying that I did it to them. I couldnt take it from that point on, that was just some plain out BS coming from a community of guys whose site thrived on MC winners who played this way to get their payday.

Now there here saying its not like that anymore, WOW!

I bet you any money or just for crap and giggles, that this last VG tourney winner cheated or glitched, whatever you want to call it. If not then what rules were there GIBS as there were no rules at all to enter or qualify for these events?

[Big FN Deal]

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thats not what the tournament scene is about at all. at all major tournaments all glitches are banned.

i play madden at a high level and there is a very sound scheme behind what I do.

just as the sim crowd doesnt get credit from people for how they view and want the game - tournament players shouldnt be branded as being one type of player.

i really only think that there is one kind of madden player and that is a madden player.

Well I can't speak for the tourney scene as a whole because I only dabble but what I described in my post is what I have experienced in online competitive play.

To the bold, what I was talking about extends beyond glitches and goes into "tactics". When you state " I play Madden at a high level" I really have no idea what that means and whenever people start claiming to assert nuanced NFL principles in a game that lacks so many fundamental real life NFL parameters, their logic usually becomes difficult for me to follow.

IMO, Madden is not that NFL deep or realistic and I don't understand what's so hard or confusing about playing the game within reasonable limitations.

To each their own though.

[ClevelandFan]

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Thats good to know, and its funny how everything you say and feel is exactly what the freestyle scene as always been about, but at the same time you are going up against Gibs and TGL as they are saying the exact opposite and I still dont know what the difference is between the SIM and Freestyle!

This is a headache in itself!

We a have a used to be freestyle play (cleveland) and 3-4 other freestyle players in here saying the opposite of what you say. But I guarantee you go to virgin and check the records and feedback of any of them and the members who attended the recent NY event, most of their feedback will tell you how they play and get down.

They will say exactly what cleveland says!

Guys that have cheated and lost to me, left me bad feedback and detailing what they did to but saying that I did it to them. I couldnt take it from that point on, that was just some plain out BS coming from a community of guys whose site thrived on MC winners who played this way to get their payday.

Now there here saying its not like that anymore, WOW!

I bet you any money or just for crap and giggles, that this last VG tourney winner cheated or glitched, whatever you want to call it. If not then what rules were there GIBS as there were no rules at all to enter or qualify for these events?

I legit got nothing from this post.

Try again, please.

[themaddenlab]

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Tournaments always have rules. Such as no blocking kicks or punts. No onside unless you are down in the 4th quarter. If there is a certain exploit in the game that year like a qb draw glitch, then it is banned at the tournament.