Madden NFL 13 Video Interview - EA Tiburon Breaks Down Some of the New Changes

[Smoke6]

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As long as exploits/glitches are there, they will be abused. If you can't get over that, then you should stop playing.

Funny, why couldnt it be the other way around like...

If you feel you gotta cheat to win, then you should find something else to play?

Oh, and thanks for the banning TGL, I dont thinks its badmouthing when its the truth. I posted the perfect example of what you say you are not about from your very own forum to plead my discussion here. You come here to save face after the fact I have been flamed to hell and back trying to figure out why you guys bother with finding and publishing these exploits each and every year. I puts up with it, I deals thru all that to make sure others get a fair shake in the madden community. But not once have you ever posted saying that this type of gameplay is not what TGL is about, but when I post something that gets peoples attentions and makes your site look bad, then it goes all bad. But yet, your guys follow me around posting everything I post in other forums and thats OK?

Perfect example right here folks, these guys have nothing else better to do but harness the tired-less complaints form us each and every year as they sit back and laugh and say we just suck and to find something or somewhere else to play.

Cant take the heat so they kick the chef out the kitchen!

But anyways, sorry to derail guys but my complaints come from the type of gameplay I am playing against when I go online. Im not that offline guy I used to be anymore as I get enjoyment from a live player and have been waiting for online sports play for a while now.

I truly do feel some of these issues wouldnt be if it wasnt for what just went on in this thread!

They been waiting to Ban me from there anyway, *yawn*!

[sgibs7]

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Thats good to know, and its funny how everything you say and feel is exactly what the freestyle scene as always been about, but at the same time you are going up against Gibs and TGL as they are saying the exact opposite and I still dont know what the difference is between the SIM and Freestyle!

This is a headache in itself!

We a have a used to be freestyle play (cleveland) and 3-4 other freestyle players in here saying the opposite of what you say. But I guarantee you go to virgin and check the records and feedback of any of them and the members who attended the recent NY event, most of their feedback will tell you how they play and get down.

They will say exactly what cleveland says!

Guys that have cheated and lost to me, left me bad feedback and detailing what they did to but saying that I did it to them. I couldnt take it from that point on, that was just some plain out BS coming from a community of guys whose site thrived on MC winners who played this way to get their payday.

Now there here saying its not like that anymore, WOW!

I bet you any money or just for crap and giggles, that this last VG tourney winner cheated or glitched, whatever you want to call it. If not then what rules were there GIBS as there were no rules at all to enter or qualify for these events?

the biggest one this year - blocking kicks.

we have talked many times man and i respect the passion that you have for the game. its the same passion i have for the game.

i have always taught people to play the game the same exact way that I play the game and thats within "The 5 Sets for Success".

Power Run Game
Quick Pass
Man Beater
Zone Beater
X-Factor

its all based on what your opponent is doing to you and how you want to counter what you are seeing.

im totally with you that the 155 shake is a exploit. however i dont think its a glitch. i do feel for the guys that come home from work and look to get on the game but feel cheated bc they see something like that.

however I look at it as more of a educational problem with how to counter what you are seeing. everything in the game has a counter to it (minus something like fg kicks, which i consider a glitch bc it has now counter). I know the sim crowd still sees flaws with this thinking and i respect that to no end.

thats more of a choice though. do you want to continually be frustrated by things you are facing in online gameplay or do you want to know how to counter what you are seeing? just kinda depends what camp you fall in.

you let me know what you are having trouble with and I can help you counter it and make your oppponent pay for doing it to you. just gotta get in the lab and figure it out!

[Big FN Deal]

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When money is on the line, people are going to do whatever it takes to win, period. They aren't going to hold themselves back so they can be considered "sim" and feel good about themselves for doing so.

Correction, some people will do whatever the are allowed to do to win. If in the real NFL CBs could get away with PI every time a pass is thrown at them, they would. However, they can't because refs regulate, that's what I would like to see in online Madden competition for money or prizes.

[Smoke6]

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Tournaments always have rules. Such as no blocking kicks or punts. No onside unless you are down in the 4th quarter. If there is a certain exploit in the game that year like a qb draw glitch, then it is banned at the tournament.

Those are the most obvious obnoxious of the glitches that are used, even a blind man can see whats about to happen when people start initiating it.

You guys keep claiming this "competitive scene" as if its the hierarchy of all madden players in a SIM fashion, but yet you keep putting down SIM gameplay as if it never should exist.

But you are still not giving us any clue to what any of this "competition scene" stuff is all about if its all that different from just playing football.

I just think you guys are afraid to even say so because you know there is some foul play involved and has always been.


If not, then we all should be on the same page then!

[themaddenlab]

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Funny, why couldnt it be the other way around like...

If you feel you gotta cheat to win, then you should find something else to play?

Oh, and thanks for the banning TGL, I dont thinks its badmouthing when its the truth. I posted the perfect example of what you say you are not about from your very own forum to plead my discussion here. You come here to save face after the fact I have been flamed to hell and back trying to figure out why you guys bother with finding and publishing these exploits each and every year. I puts up with it, I deals thru all that to make sure others get a fair shake in the madden community. But not once have you ever posted saying that this type of gameplay is not what TGL is about, but when I post something that gets peoples attentions and makes your site look bad, then it goes all bad. But yet, your guys follow me around posting everything I post in other forums and thats OK?

Perfect example right here folks, these guys have nothing else better to do but harness the tired-less complaints form us each and every year as they sit back and laugh and say we just suck and to find something or somewhere else to play.

Cant take the heat so they kick the chef out the kitchen!

But anyways, sorry to derail guys but my complaints come from the type of gameplay I am playing against when I go online. Im not that offline guy I used to be anymore as I get enjoyment from a live player and have been waiting for online sports play for a while now.

I truly do feel some of these issues wouldnt be if it wasnt for what just went on in this thread!

They been waiting to Ban me from there anyway, *yawn*!

To ban someone you need a reason and the mod who banned you didn't give a reason. I didn't see a reason for you to be banned so I unbanned you.

As far as the forum goes, yes there are probably all kinds of things posted. Some things that are even glitches, I don't know because I cant possibly read all the threads. I was referring to our products. We don't sell glitches. We sell football strategy.

[Big FN Deal]

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That's what I am talking about Smoke, where is the "spirit of the law" in the Madden competition?

For example, in Madden I can User control a defender and cover a receiver in a manner that would be penalized in the real NFL for a defensive holding or even defensive PI but that's not represented in the Madden program properly. So if I constantly use that to my advantage, does the "competitive scene" regulate that according to the NFL or ignore it because we are playing Madden and your opponent can do the same thing to you?

I think it's probably the latter and that's what I am talking about.

[themaddenlab]

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I don't criticize either style of play. Personally, I'm more sim than anything. The leagues I have played in have had extensive rules like going deep into your playbooks and not using the same 3 plays all game. Rules like you have to punt on over 4th and 1 inside your own 40. Things like that. I would never play in a league that allows someone to runs qb draw every single play of the game. It s just my personal preference. I don't think my way is more important than anyone's else's style.

[SA1NT401]

Please elaborate for me as to my main features of playing madden are ONLINE PLAY and ONLINE FRANCHISE.

If you dont care about how people play in any of the above modes, then this debate would be non existent and every complaint thread would be null and void due to the fact that we just dont care about how anyone should play the game.

You made no sense whatsoever!

And WF, no need to messy up the boards, I just dont understand how one with soo much knowledge of the sport could condone this type of gameplay that helps degrade the game even more than it already is.

Running animations,

Passing trajectories,

blocking,

BLitzes and schemes,

In online play, all these issues boil down to shady gameplay being the factor that opens up the eyes of players like me and see the flaw right then and there as its being abused.

You guys keep thinking we dont know an overload blitz from a nano being set up. But when you slowly replay what just happened, its clear you are just exploiting the AI until your opponent catches on.

For example the Shake glitch, you may know how to effectively counter such garbage, but the avg "i just got home from work, shut up woman get my beer" joe, will basically just give up playing and coming to a site like this ranting or just not caring to play anymore. But its still a glitch and a pathetic one at that.

But show me a team, that sways its LB core back and forth and gets a speed burst the moment the ball is hiked when the personnel is clearly out matched from Olinemen to the 1 NT and LBs you have rushing in. LBs stunt at the line, but this shake is no stunt at all.

How about the B-lines with the safety right thru the LOS when the ball is snapped by a manual controlled player?

There really is no slide protection on run plays in madden to counter that, you just have to try and time the man coming thru or audible to a pass in which he will know is coming, but either way, for most of us here, its lose lose.

But lets not ingore the main question I posed earlier.

Elaborate on whats the difference in your guys way of playing from that of a SIM players way of playing. Or maybe you guys should lobby for an XFL version of football so you can do as you please as the masses already know what to expect and cant complain about it at all.

There's your problem....ONLINE.... I only play offline and aside from issues that have plagued the series forever... Most is pretty fixable-ish. Online is one of the biggest problems with madden.


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[sgibs7]

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That's what I am talking about Smoke, where is the "spirit of the law" in the Madden competition?

For example, in Madden I can User control a defender and cover a receiver in a manner that would be penalized in the real NFL for a defensive holding or even defensive PI but that's not represented in the Madden program properly. So if I constantly use that to my advantage, does the "competitive scene" regulate that according to the NFL or ignore it because we are playing Madden and your opponent can do the same thing to you?

I think it's probably the latter and that's what I am talking about.

if you could blatantly take a defender and cause a holding every play, or run into receivers and cause PI every play without a flag then yes it would be banned from happening.

[Smoke6]

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the biggest one this year - blocking kicks.

we have talked many times man and i respect the passion that you have for the game. its the same passion i have for the game.

i have always taught people to play the game the same exact way that I play the game and thats within "The 5 Sets for Success".

Power Run Game
Quick Pass
Man Beater
Zone Beater
X-Factor

its all based on what your opponent is doing to you and how you want to counter what you are seeing.

im totally with you that the 155 shake is a exploit. however i dont think its a glitch. i do feel for the guys that come home from work and look to get on the game but feel cheated bc they see something like that.

however I look at it as more of a educational problem with how to counter what you are seeing. everything in the game has a counter to it (minus something like fg kicks, which i consider a glitch bc it has now counter). I know the sim crowd still sees flaws with this thinking and i respect that to no end.

thats more of a choice though. do you want to continually be frustrated by things you are facing in online gameplay or do you want to know how to counter what you are seeing? just kinda depends what camp you fall in.

you let me know what you are having trouble with and I can help you counter it and make your oppponent pay for doing it to you. just gotta get in the lab and figure it out!

GIbs, its not fun at all facing the same type of cheap tactics game in and game out. I have followed your advice and all from all this year and before when you showed that it pays to play str8. I been good with that and appreciated that from you knowing our history.

Its just that no matter how good I am at stopping it, there are plenty of times where it does me no good and it just doesnt go my way at all.

I run into 4wr snugs and get the mesh or the deep slot streaks and its money, I lab a counter with some help form you a some guys over at TGL who were having issues aswell (most cheaters know how to counter there own mess) and I learend to stop it without any of the gimmicky-ness involved.

but I would say 2 out of 5 games I am completely shutdown from something I just stopped the previous 3 games. Its like hit or miss or maybe its the teams im facing that give me the most problems.

It should all be rectified with some of these new features im hearing about with the passing game. But it kills me when people initiate the over the shoulder catch animation at will and running close I counters with high school sized WRs blocking linemen and LBs better than the guys that get paid exclusively to do just that.

But you gave a good explanation on what im looking for as a response!

It just doesnt show when I play over at VG or anywhere else for money, those guys from TGL, when they play and beat me, they bragg about it and post about it, but its all good to everyone else there on how they achieved there win and barely at that!

[ClevelandFan]

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Correction, some people will do whatever the are allowed to do to win. If in the real NFL CBs could get away with PI every time a pass is thrown at them, they would. However, they can't because refs regulate, that's what I would like to see in online Madden competition for money or prizes.

Well yeah, thats what was implied..

[ClevelandFan]

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I don't criticize either style of play. Personally, I'm more sim than anything. The leagues I have played in have had extensive rules like going deep into your playbooks and not using the same 3 plays all game. Rules like you have to punt on over 4th and 1 inside your own 40. Things like that. I would never play in a league that allows someone to runs qb draw every single play of the game. It s just my personal preference. I don't think my way is more important than anyone's else's style.

This..........

[Big FN Deal]

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There's your problem....ONLINE.... I only play offline and aside from issues that have plagued the series forever... Most is pretty fixable-ish. Online is one of the biggest problems with madden.


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That's the point though, why is playing online the "problem" opposed to the fact that online is now synonymous with "cheese"?

I hate the fact that so many people that have a similar preference for how they choose to play the game as me, feel it's best to avoid online play.

[WFColonel56]

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First off, I have played football for well over 11 years, I am in the huddle and their when we have drawn up play to works as the coaches seen fit. There is no way on earth you can run "1 defensive play" the entire game and dominate with no regards to the personnel thats being thrown at you!


Um yes you can.....In highschool my team was a base cover 3 (5-3 and 3-3 stack) for my freshman-Jr year. and we played it 90% of the time.


For our blitz plays we just swapped assignments to cover whoever was blitzing.

it matched up against everything well.

trips-
we bumped out LBs over,
manned up our backside CB with the backside WR

(opt) if the RB was on the backside of the formation as well the OLB to that side was manned up as well

If the RB was on the strong side we either auto blitzed backside OLB or just rolled coverage over

ALL OF THIS WAS DONE IN THE COVER 3

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Played against David Wilsons HS team twice and their double wing offense

same things applied...if they came out in a traditional DB wing formation wr ran a vanilla cover 3 or could run any of our blitzes...if they went trips we had the same adjustments as above
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Spread Offenses....nothing changed...Could D it up perfectly from the cover 3

I can go on and on.......everything we faced could be defended from the cover 3. Every blitz we had was just a cover 3 with zone assigned switched....And guess what, thats the same way that a lot of people desing their blitzes in madden











Thats the issue with a 4 man rush or a 3 man rush as it nets the same gimmicky results time after time.


Guess what, if a real life offense doesnt have a good protection protection set up you can run the same blitzs over and over with the same result.. If the offense has 5 people in routes and the defense runs a 6 man blitz (or just a 4 man overload to one side) the rush will come in the same way every time unless the offense changes its protection








Secondly I bad mouths TGL even when I am there so dont come act like im some 2 faced poster and dont know what im doing or talking about.


If you dont like it than dont go on there...its that simple





3rd, im glad the bunch of you are here and backing each other up to your tasteless gameplay that most here dont even bother with playing online!


Confused....if most here dont play online than they dont even understand what you are complaining about. Therefore if they take a sim players side or a tourney guys side on a particular issue their opinion is not valid at all seeing as they dont play online




Im real, we all see the gimmicks you guys use and exploit the same route and plays to your advantage and then act like its supposed to be accepted. Its not and because EA never responded or did anything when you guys sent them these issues just solidifies the fact that it might just be a losing battle.


Guess what there are effective real life routes and route combos?

I have literally sat on coachhuey.com (a forum for real life coaches, rec-college) and seen countless threads posted about how if the defense is in a single high the offense will throw four verts every play until they stop it...

If the defense is a base cover 2 and the offense knows it they will throw smash every time until you stop it...

In high school I played a game where my defense couldnt stop power...Guess what? We saw power 43 times that game.......

Now in regards to madden players will run something until you stop it.....is that not SIM? I have listed 3 examples of how SIM IT IS

In madden 12 a curl route is 100% completion in vs man coverage...Now is that realistic? No, but the curl route IS the easiest completed route in the route tree. STATISTICALLY in real life.

should it be a 100% completion vs man? NO. But it is one of the most effective routes vs man in real life...It has ample ways to defend it...So is it really THAT OUTSIDE THE REALM OF SIM?

And to the 2nd part....So what your saying that making sure curl-flat zones work correctly, curl routes are realistic, draw plays are stupidly UBER effective against most defensive tactics, unrealistic man to man switches that put you at a disadvantage on D are not accepted tactics thus dont need to be addressed because it 'is a losing battle"?




You guys have a bunch of followers and many are following because they are tired of losing to guys like you online.

Yes and no....people go online to find help in madden because they are sick of losing and want to get better.

people also join forums like TGL because they are good at madden and wanted to see if there were better players...Pretty much how I got into the Online forum community. I had no problem beating the random online player. I DIDNT EVEN KNOW MADDEN TOURNEYS EXISTED THEN, LET ALONE KNEW HOW THEY PLAYED.

people join sites for a various of reasons and I have been around long enough to see a lot of reasons. Your generalization is honestly insulting to a ton of people.

A lot of guys joined sites like GG, TGL, MB, MT just so they could beat their 10 year old son or nephew.....Who I would bet $100 dont know anything about madden tourneys or online forums and whatnot..


If you cared soo much about X's and O's or this game, then I would have never posted anything in regards to glitches I have found in the game even if EA decided not to patch it up.

dnt knw what your trying to say....... elaborate more



Why did you feel to let the cat out of the bag?
dnt knw what your trying to say....... elaborate more


Were you mad because you figured they'd ignored you so you go and mock them by telling everyone "hey look here these are the glitches and MONEY plays I stumbled upon"?

dnt knw what your trying to say....... elaborate more


I mean keep it real, we have been fighting this battle for over a decade man and have been progressing in baby steps only to have that progression stripped from us because you mad or someone was to weak at playing defense so they decided to cheat instead and not give a damn.



Cheating is the QB walk, disc glitch, pause glitch.....me sending 4 players against your 2 blockers isnt glitching or cheating...The fact that you cant even articulate what an overload blitz is instead of just calling it "cheating" is a reason that no progress between the two communities is possible


What you kindly always seem to leave out is the fact that tourney players are amung the players who HOPE the game progresses and DOESNT SUCK year to year. A game that is sucky messes with tourney players the most..

Complete BS tactics messes with their money. But you and everyother "sim" player never can understand that concept....

You think that the majority of tourney players want a freaking draw play to be massively effective?

You think that tourney players want completely random fumbles to occur in a game?

You think that players like that in madden 11 slant outs owned man coverage?

You think players like the QB SPY glitch? NO thats why its illegal in tourneys and no tourney players use it because of that reason.

We dont like that crap.....but guess what it it isnt fixed tourney players will use it if it isnt deemed illegal to use in tournys.

COmplete BS allows the person who isnt the best player to win a tourney, they dont like their cash to be messed with













Whatever the reason may be, its killing the game, but none of you guys go over to the SF or Tekken tournaments and pull those stunts. Know why? You butt would be out of every competition once people found out thats how you get down.

So you are saying that you arent mentally flexible enough to adapt to your opponent?

You are aware that there are combos that can kill you before wothout you getting a chance to block in fighting games right? Youa re aware of the hadouken trap glitch?

Just making sure






But its just cool to do for a game like madden or whatnot right?

Ncaa is a competitive game, madden is, nba 2k is, wherever a competitive game is you will find over effective tactics being used.

Guess you never play COD MW3 then huh? Unreal Tournament, halo?

if its competitive and has a mass population playing it there are over effective tactics used




I have no respect for anyone who stands by cheating or glitching people especially when you cant even stand it being done in the real life sport.

if you consider a blitz or a route a glitch or a cheat you will never win that argument.

You can say its an exploit if you want because yeah the wiki definition is correct

An exploit (from the verb to exploit, in the meaning of using something to one’s own advantage)

But I have my own equation for why you cant moan and groan and say an exploit is unstoppable.

An exploit no matter what it is (route, RC, blit) has a real life outcome.....

ex: slant outs, they end up being open in a specific area of the field to be caught.
Ex: a blitz, a rusher comes free


Thus if it has a real life outcome it has a real life counter....

ex: a blitz, you alter your protections to pick up the free rusher

All of this can be done playing sim...YOU HAVE NO EXCUSE. This "equation" works with every exploit in the game.

if it doesnt apply than its a glitch, pretty bold statement but if honestly havent found any true exploit that doesnt apply so i am willing to say that


So if you wanna go toe to toe with me on whats wrong or right with this game, then bring it!

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[sgibs7]

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GIbs, its not fun at all facing the same type of cheap tactics game in and game out. I have followed your advice and all from all this year and before when you showed that it pays to play str8. I been good with that and appreciated that from you knowing our history.

Its just that no matter how good I am at stopping it, there are plenty of times where it does me no good and it just doesnt go my way at all.

I run into 4wr snugs and get the mesh or the deep slot streaks and its money, I lab a counter with some help form you a some guys over at TGL who were having issues aswell (most cheaters know how to counter there own mess) and I learend to stop it without any of the gimmicky-ness involved.

but I would say 2 out of 5 games I am completely shutdown from something I just stopped the previous 3 games. Its like hit or miss or maybe its the teams im facing that give me the most problems.

It should all be rectified with some of these new features im hearing about with the passing game. But it kills me when people initiate the over the shoulder catch animation at will and running close I counters with high school sized WRs blocking linemen and LBs better than the guys that get paid exclusively to do just that.

But you gave a good explanation on what im looking for as a response!

It just doesnt show when I play over at VG or anywhere else for money, those guys from TGL, when they play and beat me, they bragg about it and post about it, but its all good to everyone else there on how they achieved there win and barely at that!

when facing strong I close counters (or any run from that formation but espicially the counter) try this...

43 Over Plus - Cover 1
shift d-line left
crash line right
contain left of screen DE
blitz spied LB
User the deep safety

*the only adjustment u need to make here is to shift the d-line left. what you will see happen is the DE on the left of the screen will break into the backfield BLOWING UP the runs from strong close. this DESTROYS the counter. this is a great overall run defense based on the alignment and the overloads/fronts it creates.

my suggestion for the other things you are facing is to bring the problems that u are seeing to me and i will see how i can help you remedy what you are facing.

also get into the lab after that game and setup what you were seeing and see how you can counter it not only with coverage but with how you can sneak pressure in as well

keep on fighting