Madden NFL 13 Hands-On Impressions From Community Event #3 (DLG)

[BezO]

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...you should be able to put this edition as a top 5 (at least) sports game ever.

Wow! Can you list a few great sports games you think it's better than?

Given what's been said about the o-line/d-line interaction, I can't imagine what could put Madden in the top 5 all time, but I wouldn't put Madden '12 in the top 10 either.

[ch46647]

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Wow! Can you list a few great sports games you think it's better than?

Given what's been said about the o-line/d-line interaction, I can't imagine what could put Madden in the top 5 all time, but I wouldn't put Madden '12 in the top 10 either.

I wouldnt put Madden 12 anywhere near my top 10. Honestly, I thought the game was horrible and only played if for two weeks. Fortunately, just about everything EA is doing is correcting many of the issues I had with Madden 12 and previous next-gen Maddens. I just hope it all works as advertised and this June 4th gameplay and conneceted careers announcement is as revolutionary as people are saying it is.

Next year I really hope they dig deep and completely re-vamp the OL/DL interactions as well as the footplanting and locomotion. I would also love to see them get more player specific animations in the game to make every player look and feel like their real life counterpart. NBA 2k and MLB the Show do a phenomenal job in this regard.

[raguel]

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From my perspective no. I think both "that other game" and previous Madden editions felt arcadish with some of the passing. Right now I'm on the fence with this being the most realistic passing experience in a football title ever. But a lot of that will depend on final tuning and what not.

In that case, let me ask the same question a bit differently. :wink:

The devs say timing matters in Madden 13. When I think of the timing, I look at guys like Aikman and Brady. I expect that when a qb in Madden 13 finishes his drop the ball should be coming out of his hands. I expect that, at this time, the receiver is just entering his break, if he's started his break at all. As an aside, I also expect that the OL will block differently depending on the drop back of the qb, but baby steps and all that .

Based on your experience, would you say the above is true for Madden 12? Is it markedly true for Madden 13? Is it something you care about at all?

[RynoAid]

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Wow! Can you list a few great sports games you think it's better than?

Given what's been said about the o-line/d-line interaction, I can't imagine what could put Madden in the top 5 all time, but I wouldn't put Madden '12 in the top 10 either.

If the implementation is solid, I can't think of ONE sports game that i would put above it. NCAA 2K8 and MVP 05 are the only two I would even say are sniffing it at this point.

I have not played The Show (disclaimer)

[CRMosier_LM]

I'll be at work, so I won't see any responses till this evening, but I want to reignite this tangent.

I like making User plays as much as possible, so I'll be good with improved User control, but some guys will never want to make User Catches or Picks/Swats.

It's great that the CPU defenders are ultra aggressive in attacking the ball in various ways, that's how it should be, but the CPU receivers need to be ultra aggressive as well otherwise it puts the non User Catching person at a big time disadvantage, and exponentially reduces the number of players that they might choose to play against H2H.

The CPU controlled receivers in NCAA and Madden the last couple of years were absurdly passive in attacking balls early or at its highest point. Hopefully they tuned them up to play with the same zeal as the defenders do.

From what I saw, yes they attacked the ball.

If people choose not to take control of the players and make plays that is their choice. The game is meant to be played and players controlled when possible. I can't hold any developer responsible for people playing the game outside its intended use. EA is attempting to make a football game in my opinion for H2H and all that comes with that. What people do with that is on them. They can take advantage of the tools at their disposal or they can sit back call the plays and just snap the ball... Although I don't feel that is what the game is made for, its their choice. But once again if people want the experience intended, then they need to go outside their comfort zone.


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[CRMosier_LM]

"Beautiful! Leading a receiver or throwing to a spot works very well (once again, if your QB can make a good throw) but is very much dependent on the user. It will take you a few games for sure to get used to the intricacies of the new system."
+1

Can you say Tony Romo, Dez Bryant.

Derek Adams and I played Cowboys vs Browns several times and anytime I was stupid enough to not have Joe Haden on Dez or at least a man over top... Dez lit me up! But with the right concepts and play calling I was able to reign him in and control him.

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[SteelerSpartan]

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How much ground can the average safety cover???....Will people have to think twice about bringing them down in the box now???

Bueller??Bueller???

Besides the terrible OL/DL, Unrealistic safety play is another key culprit that tears down the realism in these games

Average Safeties being able to cover 3/4 the field has to stop

[ch46647]

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If the implementation is solid, I can't think of ONE sports game that i would put above it. NCAA 2K8 and MVP 05 are the only two I would even say are sniffing it at this point.

I have not played The Show (disclaimer)

Another big statement and I like it! Personally, I think Madden 05 blows any Madden on this gen (so far) out of the water. Madden was so innovative in the 90's and early 2000's. I think Madden really came together and had its golden era between about 2003-2005. Then next gen came along....

[CRMosier_LM]

If the implementation is solid, I can't think of ONE sports game that i would put above it. NCAA 2K8 and MVP 05 are the only two I would even say are sniffing it at this point.

I have not played The Show (disclaimer)

I have to agree, but I will add Madden 05 on PS2 as well as an all around great game in its time.

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[BezO]

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If the implementation is solid, I can't think of ONE sports game that i would put above it. NCAA 2K8 and MVP 05 are the only two I would even say are sniffing it at this point.

Either Madden is about to surprise the hell out of me or we care about a completely different set of past Madden issues.

I have not played The Show (disclaimer)

If we're counting multiple releases, that explains a few spots.

I have to agree, but I will add Madden 05 on PS2 as well as an all around great game in its time.

Madden 05 over NFL 2K5? I'm guessing our taste are very different.
Do you play MLB The Show? Better than that?

Either of you like basketball & play NBA 2K11 or 12? Better than those?

FIFA?

[ch46647]

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Either Madden is about to surprise the hell out of me or we care about a completely different set of past Madden issues.

If we're counting multiple releases, that explains a few spots.

Madden 05 over NFL 2K5? I'm guessing our taste are very different.
Do you play MLB The Show? Better than that?

Either of you like basketball & play NBA 2K11 or 12? Better than those?

FIFA?

NHL series is excellent on the next gen systems as well. Well I should say the gameplay is excellent. The presentation leaves a lot to be desired.

[Big FN Deal]

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From what I saw, yes they attacked the ball.

If people choose not to take control of the players and make plays that is their choice. The game is meant to be played and players controlled when possible. I can't hold any developer responsible for people playing the game outside its intended use. EA is attempting to make a football game in my opinion for H2H and all that comes with that. What people do with that is on them. They can take advantage of the tools at their disposal or they can sit back call the plays and just snap the ball... Although I don't feel that is what the game is made for, its their choice. But once again if people want the experience intended, then they need to go outside their comfort zone.


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I can respect this POV but it gets taken too far in relation to Madden AI, imo. Meaning, ratings and DPP more specifically, are meant to differentiate every player's actions on the field. So theoretically, the only difference in a CPU v CPU, HUM v CPU and HUM v HUM game, should be the User input, not the way the AI performs.

The onus of User control should be interjecting "stick skills" and personal decision making to attempt to manually maximize the skill set of a given player. So if playing with Detroit, AI Megatron should be the closet embodiment of real life Megatron the game can provide. Taking User control of Megatron should actually have more risk than reward because he already has elite ratings and DPP effecting his decisions under AI control but the User should be able to screw that up manually.

I make the basketball game analogy, User controlled Kobe Bryant should not be inherently better than AI Kobe Bryant, it's just that the User gets to manually utilize the player's skill set and make Bryant's decisions, opposed to the CPU.

This maybe one of the reasons I have not been able to enjoy Madden games in the past because I believe in User controlling less consistent AI players and letting the talented players do their thing. Meaning, for me, the User control aspect is more about taking control at certain times, not necessarily all the time. I would prefer to let Megatron be AI Megatron when the ball is the air and then have manual control for the RAC, than being required to manually control him the entire time for his full playmaking potential to be utilized.

[Senator Palmer]

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From what I saw, yes they attacked the ball.

If people choose not to take control of the players and make plays that is their choice. The game is meant to be played and players controlled when possible. I can't hold any developer responsible for people playing the game outside its intended use. EA is attempting to make a football game in my opinion for H2H and all that comes with that. What people do with that is on them. They can take advantage of the tools at their disposal or they can sit back call the plays and just snap the ball... Although I don't feel that is what the game is made for, its their choice. But once again if people want the experience intended, then they need to go outside their comfort zone.


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I don't want to be one of those guys coming in to pile on, but I have to say, the bolded really bothers me. I would hate to think that a play is left out there on the field just because I choose not to take control of a player. What are the ratings for if that's the case?

If I'm controlling as Ray Lewis and a ball gets thrown over my head should I have to click on Ed Reed to get him to aggressively make the play? Should I have to control Dwight Freeney to get him to use his 99 finesse moves?

If that's not what you're saying, then pardon me, but I don't know how else to read it. I hate the thought that this game is intended for you to have click from player to player to get them to maximize their functions. Why aren't they doing those things already and executing their positions to their ratings?

In my opinion the only advantage a user should have clicking on or controlling a player is a boost in awareness. And if you're clicking on a player (mid-play) with 99 awareness, then even that should be mitigated, because he should already be in position and ready to make the play.

[RynoAid]

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Another big statement and I like it! Personally, I think Madden 05 blows any Madden on this gen (so far) out of the water. Madden was so innovative in the 90's and early 2000's. I think Madden really came together and had its golden era between about 2003-2005. Then next gen came along....

see i played Madden on the PC from 2000-2008 in online franchises so i can't tell you about the console in those years. I would put the last Madden on the PC on the board too. With all the customization and fully functioning features, you could get really deep into that game.

I was a huge fan of the High Heat series on PC also.

[CRMosier_LM]

Either Madden is about to surprise the hell out of me or we care about a completely different set of past Madden issues.

If we're counting multiple releases, that explains a few spots.

Madden 05 over NFL 2K5? I'm guessing our taste are very different.
Do you play MLB The Show? Better than that?

Either of you like basketball & play NBA 2K11 or 12? Better than those?

FIFA?

Sorry but I felt on the field/court the 2k series is bad in general.

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